Come on man, we're not too far from a time where 1080p was a dream and no one was straining their eyes then.

Well... that is a bit of a stretch. Most PCs don't run at full chat all the time. So say we take the cost of the NUC, say a round £320, if your electricity was on the upper end of the average electricity prices at 15p per kWh, you could buy 2133kWhs of energy.

A gaming PC with a dedicated graphics card can idle between 40-60W and a NUC at about 10W. And this is where most PCs sit when you are browsing the web, doing office work or watching videos. So lets exaggerate it a bit and say the difference is 100W, that means 21330 hours to make the difference up. 888 days. Non stop, 24/7. If you only used your PC for say 4 hours a day, that would mean 5332 days. Or nearly 15 years.

I hope I've done the maths right, but doubling or trebling the difference still gets you only closer to 5 years.

That's only if he's using it like 20 hours a day. Not likely tbh

Oooh would really like one of those to replace my power hungry desktop, maybe when prices drop...

Note: comes to £320.63 at LambaTek if paying by debit card:
http://www.lambda-tek.com/Intel-BOXNUC6I5SYK~sh/B2632029&origin=gbaseGB22.8

Been waiting for these to launch, and that's not a bad price; now I have to restrain myself and wait for the most competitive offers to emerge.
I'm after the "SYH" box to accommodate a Lappy drive as well, already got my copy of "W8.1 - full".
Perhaps I can soon replace this dog kennel and associated electric spaghetti! :laughing:

Oooh would really like one of those to replace my power hungry desktop, maybe when prices drop...

Note: comes to £320.63 at LambaTek if paying by debit card:
http://www.lambda-tek.com/Intel-BOXNUC6I5SYK~sh/B2632029&origin=gbaseGB22.8

RRP £612.40...really?

It's great that they're available, but what holds me back from getting one is that it has only HDMI 1.4b rather than 2.0, which will limit playback for 4k displays to 30Hz. Converters for DP1.2 to HDMI don't seem to be available and would be a hassle, anyway.

Is it worth worrying about?

Just for clarity......with this one you can only use the m2.ssd and not the 2.5" SATA one.

If you intend on using the SATA SSD, you will need the other version NUC6i5SYH......which in my opinion makes more sense. £330ish at Lambdatek.

Can you(is there a bracket?) mount one these onto the back of a monitor?

£312 from Lamdatek plus further saving of £1.87 if paying by their debit card. LAMDATEK LINK

Should run kodi no problem

That's only if he's using it like 20 hours a day. Not likely tbh

If you don't want to strain your eyes and prefer a smoother experience then yes.

Well... that is a bit of a stretch. Most PCs don't run at full chat all the time. So say we take the cost of the NUC, say a round £320, if your electricity was on the upper end of the average electricity prices at 15p per kWh, you could buy 2133kWhs of energy.

A gaming PC with a dedicated graphics card can idle between 40-60W and a NUC at about 10W. And this is where most PCs sit when you are browsing the web, doing office work or watching videos. So lets exaggerate it a bit and say the difference is 100W, that means 21330 hours to make the difference up. 888 days. Non stop, 24/7. If you only used your PC for say 4 hours a day, that would mean 5332 days. Or nearly 15 years.

I hope I've done the maths right, but doubling or trebling the difference still gets you only closer to 5 years.

Come on man, we're not too far from a time where 1080p was a dream and no one was straining their eyes then.

Had very bad experience with the seller.

Never going to touch them ever.

Is this not just a really expensive media player?

The point he was making is more along the lines of dropping down to 30HZ, when i first got my 4k monitor i was using the 4k - 30hz option until my display port cable arrived and pretty much games were difficult to play and general use just felt lagged out and unresponsive, as you have gone at least half of what is the regular HZ rate

12 hours x 100W = 1200W. = 20p

20p x 365 = £73 saved per year

Thanks for that, have to do some research for suitable SSD's, RAM Sodimm's etc!
Think I'll need help with that. :confused:

So if you use your PC 12 hours a day, it will still take over 4 years to pay for this, your point?

Totally agree. I would not run 4k at 30hz myself. Like you, I could not stand 30hz, too juddery.

But you also need to take into the account that the equivalent gaming pc is not free, I doubt it would cost less than 250-300£ and now we are talking about 2 years for 12h or 4 years at 6h.

I am myself using a less gaming powerful sibling of this (i3 5010U) which is used as a desktop pc for browsing by my family or me and occasionally some light gaming. For example it was capable of about 30fps skyrim on low 1080p.
But my point is that I wanted something capable of being a smooth desktop pc while still being whisperquiet (I have basically set up the fan to turn on only if cpu goes over 60C and for normal tasks it stays at 50 so no fan and an ssd mean no sound). Also the power saving are useful for me as it is running basically 24h a day, (I send it to sleep overnight and have set up wake on lan now) as it is running a bittorrent, a plex server in charge of transcoding stuff if necessary for a chromecast, fire stick and wd tv around the house or on the go, (which is useful because on the go I can only get sd because I have sh*t slow internet so it needs to compress the movies and I like to watch in full hd on the local network. (It is also running a google print server for what it matters as my printer doesn't like my chromebook).

It also takes much less space than the old tower with which I needed to fight for leg room.

So all in all this machine would fit my specific use type perfectly, although I don't really need it for gaming so I wouldn't buy it at this price. (My nuc cost 200£ including the ssd and ram, (the good old beat my price+TCB, rip)) I can see it being a good fit for someone. Not everyone is just interested in fps and graphics quality even if they do somewhat of gaming.

We were talking in the case of the person and their power hungry PC, this probably wouldn't save them money. What you're talking about is a totally different case now.

If somebody wants a gaming PC they won't get this, that's just a fact, it can't game properly.
if somebody lets say wants a semi powerful i5 workstation they could get this, but it's possible to get a i5 4460 work station for about £300, so yes this would save money, but is less powerful. Depends what you want, it wont save money in every case, but it is a good deal.

They are...

http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B017BQ8I54

http://club-3d.com/index.php/products/reader.en/product/displayport-12-to-hdmi-20-uhd-active-adapter.html

does anyone know how to connect them in clusters? any link would be very helpful

I do not trust trustpilot reviews anymore. A lot of bad companies have very good reviews there.

But if you google, you will see those bad companies have very bad reviews elsewhere.

So it seems to me that somehow they are able to manipulate their review on trustpilot.

Read aetaas post again. It says nuc idles about 10w, gaming PC at 40w-60w (let's say 50w to be easy on the maths). Where did you get 100w?

So we can half your calculation already which makes £36.50 saving per year. Hardly worth buying for the power saving alone especially when the calculation involves using the nuc 12 hours every day for 9 years!

Its a bit of a scam. I think if the company has a premium account, where they pay trustpilot they can have bad ones removed.

I left an honest review for Ballicom and got an email from trustpilot asking me to change it. I never changed it and see my review is now gone.

Reviewcentre has a more accurate reflection of this company. Im guessing they cant manipulate those ones. 1.6/5

reviewcentre

Or reviews.co.uk
reviews.co.uk ballicom

I agree with you completely, I just came in the middle of discussion so didn't figure out what the start was about.

tan159--- gaming PC idle at 50W? You cannot be srs!

Also, for times its being used. My PC is on 14 hours a day and is in idle for only around 3 hours

Honestly you need to take in 2 scenarios,
a) your pc is always on because you have some sort of server running on it or are lazy to turn it off or some such nonsense. In this case you keep it on 24h a day and you can look at idle power consumption as you did.
so 50W*24h is cca 20p so 365*0.20=70£ a year.

b) you shut down your pc when not gaming but game say 2h a day on average, when gaming your pc will use much more power than a NUC, I believe NUC goes to roughly 20W when under load (for the whole machine) and your pc might use as much as 200-300W, (my old pentium 4 had a 300W psu which was in this range and while the new ones are likely to be more efficient you will have more power hungry components) anyway say 200W for the sake of the argument and this gives you something like 25£ a year. (I used 2h average per day as I believe anyone playing more than that would simply buy a proper gaming machine)

All these calculations can be easily swayed in any direction you want as we don't have real data which depends on the specific machine it replaces and the person's actual gaming habits. Also for example I tend to keep my desktops for about 10 years so this is also a factor somewhat.

All in all I think we can agree that this is a superb energy efficient machine which is unlikely to return its cost through energy efficiency for most users anytime soon whatever the calculations but it will return a decent chunk of it in reasonable time.

My old Duo core runs it no problem at all

Is that a bomb ^^^^ ?

most of 4k monitors will have display port anyway, no?

issue is probably only with tv

​want to test hadoop in a clustered mode

Works for me

So....this SYK slimmer model supports M.2 SSD only, the SYH supports M.2 plus 2.5"
A 256GB M.2 SSD (Samsung MZ-V5P256BW) is currently around £145 on Amazon,
250GB 2.5“ SSD (Samsung 850 Evo) is £66

Assuming the SYH can boot from a 2.5" drive (and the M.2 optional) Is there an advantage of going for the M.2 over 2.5"? For the extra £80, will a difference be noted?

BTW some other sellers and comparison of prices for both the NUC6i5SYK and NUC6i5SYH can be found here http://pricespy.co.uk/search.php?query=nuc6i5
(Obivously do your own research on the sellers first)

I found a good review here http://nucblog.net/2016/01/skylake-i5-nuc-review-nuc6i5syh-nuc6i5syk/

I bought a 500 GB M2 for £129 http://www.amazon.co.uk/Samsung-500GB-850-EVO-M-2/dp/B00TGIW1XG

I haven't actually got the NUC unit to put it in yet though.

Will the"H" model take a normal 2.5" HDD (i.e. the one from my ps4)? Could use the m2 for main and add another 500 GB storage from my ps4.

Thanks for the reply and link, I think the Samsung MZ-V5P256BW M.2 drive
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Samsung-MZ-V5P256BW-Solid-V-NAND-Controller/dp/B015SOI392 (suggested on the nucblog I linked) is PCIE based vs the one you bought which is SATA based. The PCIE one meant to be considerably faster but not sure if the NUC could take advantage of that speed and/or if you would notice a real world difference. Looking at some of the amazon reviews, possibly not.

Yes, it looks like the SYH will take a normal 2.5" mechanical drive, info taken from the Intel Product brief "One SATA3 port for connection to 2.5" HDD or SSD (up to 9.5 mm thickness)"

It may well also support SATA M.2 drives which you can get from £75 for 250GB. Need to check that.
The PCIe M.2 drives are more useful for workstation usage than consumer.

OK, thanks for that. Yes, according to the nucblog review I linked, it supports both SATA and PCIE M.2. I found the answer to my speed question at least. PCIE M.2 is limited to 1600 MB/s. Still 3 times faster than SATA M.2 or 2.5" but looks like the extra money for the PCIE M.2 might not be worth it (although i do want to future proof it somewhat)

If you look at typical real world usage with consumer workloads that higher maximum transfer rate doesn't have much of an impact. It's always worth looking at the real world performance.