Looking for a great value supermini that has enough room to seat five adults and offers low running costs too? Be sure to take a look at the range of new Dacia Sandero cars available at Pentagon right now. This stylish city runabout is renowned for its build quality and reliability, while the 320 litres of boot space and split rear seats ensure it is highly flexible and incredibly practical for everyday use.
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groenleader to cpandk
16 Jan 16149#4
Hello! I am a fleet manager for a living, I do not own one of these cars but I am invited to days hosted by car manufacutres and have had some hands on driving experience on the open roads in France in the Duster, Sandero and Logan.
They have been hugely popular in France and with employees in our French deivision. I would say they all remind me, except the Duster of say low and medium spec Renaults and Citreons that were about in the late 1990's - early 2000's.
They drive OK, nothing like Fiesta or anything else remotely modern. They are a bit thin and noise insulation is not great. Seats are not all that thick nor are they comfy for long drives, but the if your getting out of a 2001 Astra, you will probably not notice. Do you see what I mean?
They are cheap and simple, I would not say they were crude and certainty not un-driveable as regular use cars. Take the Suzuki Jimny, it is crude and rather awful drive on the road, the Dacias are not like that.
The point I would raise which is that if you want really basic transport and want it new then these tick those boxes. However, by British driving expectations I would of thought a used example of another car would be much better.
The Duster is actually bit agricultural to drive but I can see the appeal if you want something between a Defender (for road manners) and 2002 Rav4 for the inside. Probably the pick of the lot IMO.
The Logan estate....if you ever drove the 306 Estate or MK3 Astra estate, you will sort of know what this is like.
androoski
16 Jan 16101#16
Do you mean 'Citroën' ?
paulandpam1
16 Jan 16101#11
Stupid comment of the day /\
HaraldBB
16 Jan 1688#2
Latest comments (249)
espirit77
19 Feb 16#249
great summary. exactly why I did not buy one
sco0ter
16 Jan 163#25
I have the Logan (estate version of this). not the fastest off the mark and is a bit noisy on rough roads. I have the 1 litre turbo version and must admit it's been a great car. done a good few trips around the country in it with 2 adults and 2 kid as well as full boot and roof box and it is amazing on the motorways. it also has great pulling power and will do hill starts no problem fully loaded. It cruises on the motorway very comfortably at 70 and I get 58mpg. It actually feels better than my old 1.6 Vauxhall Meriva with similar load. my mother in law has one of these that was new in September and the road noise is a lot quieter than mine but apart from that they are very similar to drive.
herdmemberstu to sco0ter
27 Jan 16#248
0.9 litre. has it been reliable?
Artemis
26 Jan 16#247
Picked up ours today. Happy with the purchase. Stuck 200 miles on it already and it handled motorways just fine. Comfy seats. Doors close quietly which I like cos I get heavy handed, might be a little thing but I work odd hours and live in a very tight residential area.
So far they're recommended for a nice cheap runaround.
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prestwichian
25 Jan 16#245
Yes was ambience same model white pre reg in December, very pleased with the price as the few others I rang were telling me 5,995 and couldn't go any lower
soldierboy001 to prestwichian
25 Jan 16#246
Well done, congratulations on your purchase, don't forget Dacia Forum. Looks like others can get deals for this car locally.
soldierboy001
25 Jan 16#244
Looks like you got a good deal there, was it the same type of deal i.e. same model and preregistered?
Perhaps you will get on the Dacia Forum site and share your experience with other Dacia owners.
prestwichian
25 Jan 162#243
dealer was local to me. £295 more but pentagon told me they had fees of £170 on top so not that different. pentagon also had none left, but did say they might get some more in. also local dealer had 2% credit card fees (but nothing on first £1,000), pentagon said 3% whole transaction.
soldierboy001
25 Jan 16#242
Perhaps it's a different deal, did you not notice a different dealership?
prestwichian
23 Jan 16#234
Got the white one today from Salford dacia for £5,790, 3 year warranty :smiley:
soldierboy001 to prestwichian
23 Jan 16#235
And?
poisondwarf to prestwichian
23 Jan 16#236
Does it have air con?
dsldude to prestwichian
25 Jan 16#241
Why not £5,495?
Emmanuell
23 Jan 16#237
This model has no AC
poisondwarf to Emmanuell
24 Jan 16#240
Thanks for that
prestwichian
24 Jan 16#239
Your mother blows snow?
prestwichian
24 Jan 16#238
CassieToby
23 Jan 16#233
Is this refillable or a disposable? :-)
GAVINLEWISHUKD
22 Jan 16#232
OK. Can't find it myself (on phone). Tried the Reg numbers and not coming up now.
scottlee1
22 Jan 16#231
Ah well....sure the deal will come around again
soldierboy001
22 Jan 16#230
Seems to be one left.
scottlee1
22 Jan 16#226
Has anyone got through to these? Emailed but no reply as yet....
GAVINLEWISHUKD to scottlee1
22 Jan 16#229
Think they are all gone. When you search the Reg numbers it says "Vehicle not found!"
telfordkit
22 Jan 16#228
sales service appalling, god help you if you had a problem with a car bought from them, avoid
telfordkit
22 Jan 16#227
sales service appalling, god help you if you had a problem with a car bought from them, avoid
Spod
22 Jan 16#225
It's idiot comments like this that make me think we need a "dislike" button as well as a "like" button.
bogglebrain
22 Jan 162#224
I've driven my father's a few times so I'll throw in my views. The Sandero is certainly rough around the edges in most departments, but that is reflected in the price. I agree that the engine can sound harsh and noisy at times, even to my tinnitus racked ears, but overall it is bearable on short journeys. I did a couple of long motorway runs in it and it kept up with the trafffic ok and seemed to return a decent mpg. I didn't really notice the engine struggling at any point. I've read about the vague handling on car mag reviews, but I only think that would be relevant on winding country roads. My dad's done 22000 miles in 3 years without any issues( apart from a self inflicted steering lock issue where he was waiting 3 weeks for a spare). If you are looking to keep the car for 3+ years you are looking at maybe £1000 per year depreciation which I doubt you will beat on any other car. If you are looking to spend £5500 on a car, have a look on Autotrader and try and find a less than one year old car with less than 10000 miles within you budget. I don't think you would find anything to match this. If I wasn't personally so anti driving nowadays I would have been tempted by this as a means to get from A to B. (Just so you can weigh up the worth of my views I must admit the most fun I got from driving was when I used to thrash a Hillman Imp around the country lanes, so if your a BMW, Merc afficionado you might want to ignore my opinion.
Artemis
22 Jan 161#223
Oh good, you're one of those.
Of course the price is relevant. This is a deals forum not a chat about cars randomly forum. The diesel is a better engine but as this thread is about the car in the OP then you need to mention that the better engine is significantly more expensive and thus puts the resulting car n a very different price category.
Waterboy8535
22 Jan 16#222
You're most welcome
Waterboy8535
22 Jan 16#221
He asked what this model would be like on the motorway so I replied with my opinion after driving a smaller car with the same engine. I advised that in my opinion that the engine specified was not good and only the other 2 engines were better for his needs.
The fact that the diesel is dearer is not the point, more that the engine on offer here is poor and underpowered is for motorway driving.
Did you just feel the need to troll?
Steve Mac
22 Jan 16#220
Thanks for the detailed info
plumberman01
22 Jan 16#219
these are around £200 more at local garages..there were a variety at my local arnold clark in warrington and my daughter found them in glasgow too.. £5688..but obv these have to be collected from Lincoln or incur a delivery charge (dont know how much tho)
soldierboy001
22 Jan 16#218
I was comparing new with new, £1000 more for a diesel in UK than Spain.
Artemis
22 Jan 16#217
I don't need to ask. A) We're not in Spain and b) these cars are reduced in price. I wasn't comparing the diesel to a new petrol.
soldierboy001
21 Jan 16#216
Can't understand this as by selecting diesel in Spain only adds £1500 to price, no difference in spec. Ask your dealer why?
Artemis
21 Jan 16#215
That diesel engine adds like 2 and a half grand and puts the end result in a much different category of car for the money though.
Artemis
21 Jan 16#214
Replied via PM.
hcc27
21 Jan 16#213
Would HAVE, not would OF
Waterboy8535
21 Jan 16#212
I wouldn't get this model if you're going to use it on the motorway. It uses the 75bhp 1.2 16V engine from the old shape Clio. I have the old shape Clio and it'll sit at the legal limit ok on the flat, but is rough sounding and slows down quite dramatically on hills or with weight. I assume it'll be even worse on the heavier Sandero.
Either go for the TCE 1.0 Turbo if you must have a petrol as it's got 90 BHP and is a more modern and quieter engine, or preferably opt for the diesel, which is the 1.5 DCI as used in the latest Clio, Megane, Nissan Juke and Qasqai amongst others. Very reliable and a well proven engine. Lots of power for it's size too. My dads just bought a Dacia Duster with one and the things really shifts.
andy95
21 Jan 16#211
Your sentence incorrectly uses the passive voice. Please improve your grammar.
Emmanuell
21 Jan 16#210
Let me know how you get on , I'm struggling to get anybody who can actually get me the car. 4 days in, should be done by now
jmpittaway
21 Jan 16#207
Was looking at one of these , went to the showroom . For the money you cant argue its great value for money . Personally i prefer more quality for example the door handles seemed very flimsy plastic just like my current vehicle , and they are mostly all broken now cost £20 each to replace i know its not too much bother but it all adds up when things start to age and go wrong . A very good cheap run around though
soldierboy001 to jmpittaway
21 Jan 16#209
The handles are no bother and must be quality as here in Spain, well known for plastics to fail, nobody seems to have a problem.
Emmanuell
21 Jan 16#205
Put deposit down on Monday and after sets of incorrect paperwork later we are still waiting to pay!
Artemis to Emmanuell
21 Jan 16#208
We've left a deposit too, awaiting paperwork. Apparently the deal turning up on this forum has led to swarms of people ringing up to have a nose.
davej1710
21 Jan 16#206
I'm guessing if Groenleader does work for Dacia, he doesnt work in the marketting department then.
Sounds an honest, informative review to me, without any bias.
BTW, there were 456,000 results on Google for "Citreon". Some from notable motoring sites. Seems 456k people working for Dacia on Fantasy Island have also made the typo.
pibandpob
20 Jan 16#204
Well, two sofas, to be fair - it was an infamous 'bogof deal'. I was looking for at least six months, and couldn't find the exact sofas I wanted. These sofas were perfect... well, would've been if they hadn't fallen apart. :P
telfordkit
20 Jan 16#202
Crap service called 3 times and they have not got back to me
GAVINLEWISHUKD to telfordkit
20 Jan 16#203
Ask to hold the line maybe? TBH I never seem to have problems buying cars. Maybe they have lined up the last car for somebody already.
muz379
20 Jan 16#201
Completely agree . Some people dont enjoy driving at all so wouldnt even have fun in a car that actually does handle really well .
I usually pay little attention to review sites for cars . What I did when I bought my current car(fiat panda) was had a look at one of the owners forums for the car that I was buying , they had a really good guide listing the common faults with the cars and things to look out for when buying . Looking through the list of problems that recently cropped up also gave you an idea of what goes wrong / how much or how easy it is to fix . Best thing is because this forum is made up of owners you get a much better overview of the car and its pros and cons from people who have actually owned and lived with the car . Not some motoring journo who has driven loads of high end cars and has the car for a week to "review it " . Looking at the owners forum or a general car forum for information about a given car and going and looking and test driving a few examples will give you an idea of what you are getting . If possible and there is one for sale near you go and see a Sandero that is a few years old that is up for sale . This will give you an idea of how the car will age .
A lot of car reviews you read also say completely stupid and obvious things . Reading a review for an Audi A6 Avant once and one of the cons was that it was hard to manoeuvre in tight city streets . Well obviously you are not buying that car for that purpose . Much like the review I read for the Aygo which stated that the car struggle to keep up pace on open roads and the handling leaves a lot to be desired at speed . Well yes it is a city car designed for the city streets not the open road .
kaku_lala
19 Jan 16#198
The 3 cars are still advertised by Pentagon on Autotrader, which means these are still available.
If this is correct, then they are having a tough time shifting these, or have I missed something?
Pluun to kaku_lala
19 Jan 16#199
Yes.:confused:
Artemis to kaku_lala
20 Jan 16#200
They are still available, there was 4, 1 sold on Sat/Sun. Unless it's total garbage to drive, another will sell tomorrow :smiley:
Steve Mac
19 Jan 16#197
Have to agree it's hard to believe review sites, especially one that lists one of the cons of this car as "not fun to drive". What does that have to do with practicality and other stuff people are wanting to know about?! I've seen some really silly comments about cheap interior, doesn't look as good as X car etc... sounds more like a comparison than a review a lot of the time.
I'm soooooo tempted to go for this but I'd like to hear a few more people talk about driving it on the motorway and how it coped then. Also not keen on the only colour being glacier white for £5.5k but for the price it's an utter steal.
soldierboy001
19 Jan 161#196
I'm not sure why BM12 put finger to key board to tell us what the offer clearly states, it states and I repeat this for others in BM12's position that these are pre reg cars they are not trying to hide the fact. New Dacia Sandero relates to the fact that these are new model Sandero and not the old model Sandero and this is often used by othe manufacturers i.e New Fiesta, New Corsa and sometimes All New Focus.
BM12
16 Jan 16#61
The dealer is misleading you, these are not NEW cars. They are pre-registered cars. The difference between new and pre-reg is you are NOT the first owner of the car the dealer is. You will be the second owner, which will make the cars value depreciate even more.
Tallyho to BM12
16 Jan 164#64
How are they misleading you ?
It says pre registered cars & they will be brand new built with full warranty, one owner who will be the dealer, who has registered it to get his sales bonus hence the reduction.
gazjon to BM12
16 Jan 162#65
You may not be the first registered keeper, but you have a new car with full warrantee. As for even more depreciation, what a load of tosh.
MazingerZ to BM12
16 Jan 16#91
At £5K, I really don't think people should care for the depreciation value.
cliosport65 to BM12
17 Jan 16#137
does it matter for the price and warranty, I don't think so :wink:
trizinger28 to BM12
19 Jan 162#195
I worked for a main dealer for quite a few years... "pre reg" cars are usually brand new cars that the dealer was forced to buy from the manufacturer in return for other bungs, hence they ARE brand new but the odd one may have been used as a demo car on the odd occasion. YES they will have already been registered and YES the warranty will have started then, however with a run of the mill car like these the fact that it will show the main dealer as the first "registered keeper" wont usually hurt after sales value.
soldierboy001
19 Jan 161#194
Yes but aircon is only a little bit extra and is good for clearing your windscreen in all that rain first thing in the morning.
GAVINLEWISHUKD
19 Jan 16#193
It probably because most people here don't need aircon as its more of a luxury and then you buy the next model up. Here for me I would say I need aircon 10 days a year, so less than 3%. In Spain it probably over 50%. Also in Spain many people have base engine cars and do big mileage. Here they are town run/second cars. If you were traveling often between London and Manchester you wouldn't entertain this car. In Spain they will travel between Madrid and Malaga no problems.
soldierboy001
19 Jan 16#192
What puzzles me is that Dacia UK does not make air con or media nav available on this model, both of which are available in Spain and probably France and Germany. To lazy to check.
kaku_lala
18 Jan 16#188
So model, 1.2 16V 75 Ambiance 5dr doesn't have Aircon? Anyone who has spoken to the dealer asked this question?
The main page says that there are only 3 cars available at this price?
Also, not sure if £5495 price is only applicable for white or are there any other colours available.
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GAVINLEWISHUKD to kaku_lala
18 Jan 16#191
No Aircon on this model. There are 3 left they are all white. They were all registered on 23/12/15. These are the reg numbers if people want to check out insurance costs or whatever. FV65WMZ, FV65WNA, FV65WND.
Pluun
18 Jan 161#190
lol you paid £450 for a sofa from Harveys. Mad
I got leather 3 and 2 seater sofas from Freecycle for nothing. :smile:
royals
18 Jan 16#189
lol you paid £2.5K for a sofa from Harveys. Mad. I paid £450 for a 3 seat leather electric sofa from a Harveys outlet. Two seater was even less but didnt need it
geraldfitzsimons
18 Jan 16#183
Is a spare wheel a option on this ? (joke )
Artemis to geraldfitzsimons
18 Jan 16#186
Actually it's not a joke, as I believe the spare wheel does 'not' come with it, just the gap for you to put one there. They offer all of these things as options of course but if you don't want them they don't force them on you.
kaku_lala to geraldfitzsimons
18 Jan 16#187
It's not a joke, most modern superminis or even family cars don't come with a spare wheel by default. You will have to shell out extra (around £100) for a spacesaver spare.
DrLamok
18 Jan 16#181
ncap 3 stars only... not for me... maybe good enough for mother in law...
GAVINLEWISHUKD to DrLamok
18 Jan 16#185
Who cares about the overall rating. As an occupant (Adult and child) it scores exactly the same as a Seat Ibiza and beats the Corsa by 3 points. From a child occupancy point of view it beats both.
While its not as good on the other bits as the others but they are far less important to me. Yes if I hit a deer I'm more likely to be able to have it for dinner than a Volvo C60 so what's no to like!
poisondwarf
18 Jan 16#184
I dont think that air con is available on this model :disappointed:
cecilmcroberts
18 Jan 16#182
I had a Clio back in the day also and it never gave me any trouble, nor the Laguna which replaced it. I never trust any reports of reliability of cars especially the likes of Auto Express each year. You are best reading around forum sites for cars to find out and even then you need to read into it. With all these surveys etc I've heard people in work complaining car breaks down etc when you start talking you find out they've never serviced the car or even looked at the oil level once. Every car these days are pretty much reliable if you look after them. These same people will run around saying I'd never buy an xxx make/model again.
I've owned now three in a row of what people would say to avoid like the plague an Alfa Romeo and either I'm incredibly lucky but I've never once had an issue. My father has what is normally voted one of the most reliable cars a Skoda and currently it is 2 year old with 8K on the clock and been back to dealer 5 times for various faults 2 of which being what you would expect from a car of an old age and high mileage. If I was on a tight budget and wanted something to get me from A to B with 5 years more or less worry free I'd jump at this.
soldierboy001
18 Jan 161#180
[quote=Artemis]Going for a test drive tomorrow afternoon. Will report back.[/quot
There is a very good video of this car (basic) by Fifth Gear on You Tube.
Artemis
18 Jan 161#179
Going for a test drive tomorrow afternoon. Will report back.
Artemis
18 Jan 161#178
I'm expecting a callback shortly but I did find out that the 5yr warranty is only included if you take their finance option, i.e. they are giving you £395 off the interest you pay when financing. The car without finance comes with the standard 3yr warranty.
I have other questions when they callback.
tominsax
18 Jan 16#177
bought logan saloon (not available in uk) pre reg 30 june 2015,i bought 6 july one week old from renault dealer in elda nr alicante spain..40 kms on clock,1.5. diesel metalic red electic from windows,radio cd usb bluetooth all built in,centre drivers arm rest.fold down rear seats giving masses boot space.for 9300 euros sterling rate at time £6500,,give over 60 to gallon,very pleased with car does everything i want it to.fantastic value for money,i dont think they are cheap plastic toys as some snob drivers would have you believe,,,ie merc bmw,volvo dimwits,,,previous car 2006 opel 1.9 diesel zafira...which gave endless amounts of trouble,and breakdowns over the yrs .glad to have got rid..best ever had hyundia matrix 1.5 diesel gave sterling service.
bernied
18 Jan 16#176
I have had a dacia sandero ambiance for nearly 3 years it drives well, yes it is a little tinnie but so are some other makes and models. It seats five comfortably, good boot space. I can fit in a wheelchair or a full weekend shop for 2 families. Good economical run about.
erwinjoy
18 Jan 16#173
is this good as a first car for a newly pass licence? how much is the insurance for this car?
soldierboy001 to erwinjoy
18 Jan 16#175
No one can tell as insurance is based on your post code and your personal record as a driver, i.e. age, points on licence and no claims discount etc..
Pluun
18 Jan 16#174
It's Hot UK deals.
Not Hot Frog deals.
Citroen, however it is spelled is a FOREIGN word.
We are allowed to and quite entitled to, show Johny Foreigner how to spell their silly languages, either as we please, or correctly, as we see them. :confused:
iibdii
18 Jan 16#169
With 4 cars in stock & 1200 heat If its such a great deal why this hasn't expired yet.
I knew a guy who had to wait 6 weeks for a bumper to arrive as the stock level of such kinds are next to nothing.
Reliability & Renaults are two words should never be in one sentence.
soldierboy001 to iibdii
18 Jan 16#172
6 Months for a Ford Ecosport rear door after someone ran into his rear, source Honest John.
qwerta369
16 Jan 162#1
Aren't these normally £5999 brand new and unregistered? £500 off for pre-Reg isn't worth it. Should be more like £4999
GAVINLEWISHUKD to qwerta369
16 Jan 167#18
No not the base model.
This has electric windows, central locking, body coloured bumpers and a stereo just to name a few extras.
As a long term second car this is a deal. If you can service it yourself and can follow a Haynes manual then there is no reason this couldn't last you 10-12 years.
It will become the go anywhere car. Supermarket Friday evening, Tip on a Sunday morning, camping.
Zuulan to qwerta369
16 Jan 166#29
No, this is the mid-range Ambiance. So the RRP is £6,795. The extra warranty is worth £395. Dacia dealers often don't discount so £1,695 off for a pre-reg is a great price on an already cheap car.
joneeboy to qwerta369
18 Jan 16#171
Nothing to stop anyone trying to negotiate a better price for themselves. In fact everyone shoud try, and also try to bargain for those 'extras'to be free. If you don't like the price, walk away and try another dealer.
soldierboy001
18 Jan 162#170
For people interested Dacia cars are far superior to the likes of Yugo, Lada and earlier Skoda, the may not be far superior to the likes of BMW and Merc etc. but for the price paid they are exceptionally good and reliable, anybody who says different has not owned one or has been very unlucky ( except for the rusty Indian built Dusters quickly put right by Dacia. ). Anybody who thinks they are bad has not watched " Watchdog " or read a motoring magazines and seen what other manufacturers problems have been and their poor response to correction.
joneeboy
18 Jan 161#168
One does not need to be a walking dictionary to be a fleet manager and your boorish comment adds nothing to the subject in hand, which is about the Dacia Sandero, isn't it? I was interested in the OP's comments because my daughter is interested in buying a new basic city car. So heat to the OP for taking the time to report. We may have a look at the Dacia's this coming weekend. However, I was not impressed with his point about Dacias being popular in France, because the cars he criticised, Renaults and Citroens were obviously also highly popular in France as they were built there! Neither do I agree with his comments about 'late 1990s early 2000s Renaults because in our we have a 1998 Clio and a 2004 Clio, both of which have been virtually trouble free for over 160,000 and 103,000 miles respectively, and were both far better cars in their time than the likes of Fiestas. I will probably be criticised for it, but can I remind readers that there is nothing to stop anyone pushing hard to negotiate a better price for a car, or most many other major purchases either. I have never paid the opening asking price for a vehicle, and I'm sure the OP fleet manager never has either. There is no shortage of new(or used) cars.When you have the money and the seller has the car, it is you that has the whip hand because you have the mone and do not HAVE to buy from one dealer because there are plenty of others, or, you can just keep your money in your pocket. The dealers on the other hand have to sell stock or they will be out of business, so it is in their interest to make a deal with you if possible, and there are few that will walk away from you without having a good try.
gazjon
17 Jan 16#167
Well, as you still haven't provided proof, it's still hearsay. Oh, and why does your assertion sound a lot like the sort of thing a certain German manufacturer group of "quality" cars appears to have done? Looks to me as if Dacia are reaching for the higher end of the market if those tactics are being used.
Chiptivo
17 Jan 16#142
I think the problem is with quality and cost trade off.
Personally I like a great seat, a good safe drive, with a decent entertainment system and relaxing quiet interior.
I am happy to pay a little extra for this. Very comfy and will last me a while.
Compare it to the couch I sit in at home, I think it cost me around £2.5k, very relaxing, comfy and will last me a while. Alternatively I could have bought some Tesco folding chairs, which will serve the same purpose for £8, but it's not a nice experience.
Basically, you are getting what you pay for.
pibandpob to Chiptivo
17 Jan 16#166
Funnily enough, I bought my 6.5k Sandero and 2.5k sofa, around the same time, 18 months ago. The sofa started falling apart after 6 months, and has now pretty much collapsed (never buy from Harveys, folks!); the Sandero has had no issues, and I find it very comfortable. :smile: Oh, and FYI, it's very quiet inside, and has bluetooth/MP3 (and a usb socket) with good sound quality.
stevennnn2003
17 Jan 161#165
i have a sandero stepway diesel ....if you need a car to take you from A TO B thats the one...cheap to run cheap insurance no road tax...
cecilmcroberts
17 Jan 16#164
Regardless of miles any car is classed as new that has not be registered to any owner i.e could have been driven any amount of miles on "dealer plates" Not a clue where this "law" comes from the poster is talking about and certainly no need to put back onto a computer to reset or anything.
muz379
17 Jan 163#163
+1 to this .
Its all about what you are used to and what you want out of a car
If you are used to driving brand new high end marques then yes this is going to be a poor driving experience for you . But then you wont get the driving experience you are used to for anywhere near this sort of money
I personally see my car as a means of getting between work and home some 12 miles apart . I rarely drive my car anywhere that is not work and If I did not work shifts that started and ended outside of the hours that public transport operated I would personally not need to own a car . The less money I can spend on a car the more money I can contribute towards paying my mortgage off early so I can retire early , and going on holiday . Not point in driving a nice brand new merc to work when you are 65 . I plan to be well retired by then
cecilmcroberts
17 Jan 16#162
Ohh yeah forgot about that good point.
deeperthought
17 Jan 16#157
How is it a no-brainer (shudder)? If you factor in depreciation, repair costs etc. and let's face there must be some compromise with it compared to a more mainstream car (even a barely used one)- ,is it that good value? I remain to be convinced.
Topper1900 to deeperthought
17 Jan 162#161
Having spent over a £1,000 on a new cam belt, front pad & discs, a new sump and now ABS problems and potentially new rear shocks this year on my daughter's 3 year Fiat 500, which is also deprecating at over a £1,000, a year this looks a very good deal, particularly if you want a decent sized hatchback.
If you want cheap motoring I'd be surprised if this offer can be beaten, you have to wonder why Skoda & Seat etc have left this part of the market to Dacia.
Topper1900
17 Jan 161#160
I think you're missing the point if somebody just wants a cheap reliable car this offer looks unbeatable, if your somebody who wants the best in present automotive design then this isn't the car for them. This seems to be the perfect second car for the school run/commute etc even a decent buy for somebody who's just passed thier driving test.
lumsdot
17 Jan 16#124
This is what you could have for same money, note the cvt auto
uktottys to lumsdot
17 Jan 16#158
#
That's gonna leak oil like a sieve
soldierboy001 to lumsdot
17 Jan 16#159
But how much is the body to wrap around it?
Chiptivo
17 Jan 16#156
Indeed, they never wrote software to detect they are on a rolling road with the driver seat sensors unactivated and GPS not detecting movement and then switch the operation of the car and engine into modes that are impossible to sustain just to fool the emmisions testing either..... :smile:
rumble
17 Jan 16#155
Wow, are Dacia employing an army of internet trolls, Kremlin-style? :stuck_out_tongue:
I've lived on and off in Romania for the last 15 years and I've driven (I think) pretty much every Dacia ever produced, including my neighbours 1974 model which, to be fair, is still going.
Anyway, they are all rubbish....and that's taking the price into account.
Doamne ajuta!
jamesey_boy
17 Jan 162#132
Cheapest one on Autotrader -
2013
49,000
£3,500
othen to jamesey_boy
17 Jan 16#154
So, 4p/mile depreciation. I think that is good for a new car, and will certainly be less than my Skoda Superb, even if I do keep it for 10 years and 120,000 miles (about 20p/mile).
gazjon
17 Jan 162#153
Unless you have proof of this, you're just spouting hearsay, and can be safely ignored.
othen
17 Jan 16#152
... or perhaps replace the Dacia badge with a Renault one and pretend the car is 12 years old :-)
Steve Mac
17 Jan 16#151
Heat added, quite tempted to buy this for Mrs Mac and have her 57 plate fiesta.
joedastudd
16 Jan 161#41
Great price.
Test drove the diesel version about 18months ago. Wasn't bad at all, nice amount of room in the back and boot.
Only trouble is road tax on the petrol (this one) is £130 and the mpg isn't the best.
But for £5500 for the non base model is a great deal.
oatenjon to joedastudd
16 Jan 16#95
We bought the Sandero Stepway in September, comes with stop start tech now which takes the road tax down to £30 a year for the petrol version
mum2oneplustwins to joedastudd
17 Jan 16#150
what is the mpg?
mum2oneplustwins
17 Jan 16#149
I've never bought a new car, so excuse my green-ness here, but would they take a 12 reg car in as p/x, and what does their warranty cover, roughly? Presumably, we'd still pay road tax, insurance etc? I might be getting mixed up with leasing (something else I've never done).
Anyway, this looks like a good deal. Wish they were near me so I could have a look at one properly.
Chiptivo
17 Jan 16#148
Plug in manufacturer computer, reset to 7 miles.
Not as uncommon as you think..
plumberman01
17 Jan 16#147
they were registered end of dec 2015 so less than 3 weeks ago for warranty purposes..and i am told have the 3yr warranty not 5..4 in stock x
muz379
17 Jan 16#146
Care to point to the relative legislation ?. The only thing I have heard of from friends in the motor trade is that a car sold as "brand new" can only have "reasonable" delivery miles on it . This tallies up with knowing many people who have had brand new cars handed over with around 25 miles on the clock . That I would say is reasonable to cover moving around directly after manufacture and before sale including the mechanics test drive .
soldierboy001
17 Jan 16#145
Brand new cars by law can only have a maximum of 7 miles on the clock unless you sign a waver for example to get one driven on the road from another place to be delivered to your place of collection. I know I was employed in the car delivery industry.
Cars have very limited driving from manufacturing belt to transporter to boat/train to dockside to transporter etc. and this is what the European law was based on for delivery mileage with talks with the manufacturers when this ruling was introduced.
soldierboy001
17 Jan 16#144
Most manufacturers have different spec for different markets for instance the Protons you quote had different brakes, tyres ETC. for UK than for Malaysia. The Sandero for one instance has different boot locks to Spanish Sanderos in that the Spanish one works with the central locking and the UK versions you have to use the key or the lever by the drivers seat.
soldierboy001
17 Jan 16#143
Due to the new DVLA new ownership change of details would the new owner have to pay for road tax anyway and the ex owner would claw back the remainder of the tax at time of sale?
Hancock
16 Jan 162#44
Just bought the diesel version - can't fault it. And NO road tax (yet)
mum2oneplustwins to Hancock
17 Jan 16#141
How much was that, out of interest?
soldierboy001
17 Jan 161#140
Hello I have owned a Duster and now own a Lodgy and would like to know what you mean by agricultural to drive, I found the Duster very easy to drive and not much different to a VW Tiguan that was taken in part exchange for and as for comfort on long journeys I find that on the journeys between Benidorm and Luton no discomfort at all. This maybe because as a long time HGV driver I know how to set up my seats in cars and trucks to prevent fatigue. Both cars have been reliable and I can recommend Dacia and if you are a badge snob eBay has a variety of BMW,Audi or Mercedes quite cheap you could stick on the bonnet. Signed:- An Honest Motorist.
wansheet
17 Jan 16#139
I have a 2 yr old Sandero Stepway Tce these are basically Clios.' Mechanics and electronics inside are Renault. It serves my purposes well, nippy enough at junctions and so far no problems I have low mileage 13000 to date.
Sat nav/media replaced under warranty a few months ago that is manufactured by LG other than that no problems.
othen
17 Jan 16#134
Heat added to counter one of the badge snobs (actually this seems like a good deal on a perfectly adequate car).
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dsuk to othen
17 Jan 161#138
I wonder if there is a market for a bumper sticker stating ' My other cars a Perodua Nippa'
squiby
17 Jan 16#136
Drive it for 3 years and still get atleast 2.5k for it
vmistery
17 Jan 16#135
You'd have to pay for a service whether it's a Dacia or not?
bd1981bd
17 Jan 16#133
Good deal but wouldn't buy one
jamesey_boy
17 Jan 161#131
Basic
Built on dated yet proven technologies
Tested thoroughly
Same engine used in Clio/Twingo
Excellent value
I have a Sandero, albeit a diesel. Would recommend
Rust issue only applicable to 2013/14? Dusters manufactured in India
njl30
17 Jan 16#130
I'm surprised that no one has going into pentagon cars and asked about this deal!
Everyone is just guessing at the warranty etc...
dsuk
17 Jan 16#111
I am qualified to comment here because a) I introduced Dacia to HUKD 3 1/2 yrs ago. b) I am a car enthusiast.
I was all for these cars originally (especially duster), however once doing some research and actually going to see them at the garage I realised they were a poor choice.
The thing that put me off the Duster as a spare car was the rust problems. These were coming out of India with rust already on them. A combination of poor rust proofing and the sea journey over. Also when your sitting there in the cabin you just feel like a total $#!¥. Much better to buy the best of class at 3 years old than this POS.
bonzobanana to dsuk
17 Jan 163#129
You don't really sound qualified to comment, POS is not a fair comment, reviews are generally favourable and even some best buys. Also a 3 year old car is just out of warranty with worn components and the possibility of a major repair charge at any point, plus general consumables like tyres and MOT costs. This Dacia appears to have a 5 year warranty a huge difference in peace of mind and is more reliable anyway than many of its competitors. Also if your mainly using it for shopping, the school run etc then it makes a lot more sense to keep to a basic car, its all you need really. Agree about the indian made models though but this model has never been made in India I think. They are all Romanian manufactured for the UK.
chrisjh
17 Jan 16#128
Couldn't possibly be a fleet manager as your post contains a spelling mistake!
Mod edit: code of conduct
lumsdot
17 Jan 16#127
I think the early dacia built in china had rust problems, new ones are made in romania and
should be ok
dsuk
17 Jan 16#126
The warranty isn't free if you have to pay £200 a year to service it. Or £1000 over 5 years, they could replace 1/5 of the car for that.
LadyEleanor
17 Jan 161#122
Awarded best supermini below £12000 in 2013.
A 2ndhand alternative car will be high risk in comparison.
dsuk to LadyEleanor
17 Jan 161#125
Don't type Dacia and rust into Google. There is a high risk you will realise it's an awful car.
peterstyles75
17 Jan 16#123
Don't you mean Citroën™ hahaha :smiley:
crgritchie
17 Jan 162#121
There's a lot of that, but also brand snobbery too. Dacia faces that, just like skoda did previously. I think the clincher for this deal is the 5yr warranty: obviously it'd be soured if you had to keep taking it back for fixes (albeit free ones) every few weeks, but it does give peace of mind.
andy95
17 Jan 16#120
This is probably one of the best comments.
Although I am a two times Honda Jazz owner and I am well under 65!
lumsdot
17 Jan 16#119
Car shaped object?
can get a 3 year old honda jazz for same money.
CouldntThinkOfAUsername
17 Jan 16#113
Just because it's new doesn't make it good. It's cheap and rubbish. Better of with a used Honda Accord for super reliability and efficiency.
Chiptivo to CouldntThinkOfAUsername
17 Jan 16#118
I agree, better to have a good 2nd hand car with quality than a cheap new one.
The problem in pretentious middle England is that some people think the number plate is more important to show to the neighbours. Sad but true.
tommie1shunt
17 Jan 16#101
Your dumb to think this is a real bargain, this is not a new car it will have one owner already, plus it will be last years car. Says less than 99 miles on the clock so could have been a demo/courtesy car if they where short on demo/courtesy cars. And the clock on the guarantee is ticking. Want one buy one, try for some more discount (my guess is a full tank of petrol is all you will squeeze out of them) The price is generated by Software and the need to shift cars. Buy one, but don't think the dealer will be in tears as you drive of the forecourt.
Early1800 to tommie1shunt
17 Jan 162#102
Shunt rhymes with.... Technically may not be a new car but technically its not list price new either. If I was looking for a runabout motor to run hassle free for years with low upfront, low running costs this is a bargain.
Also what's happened to the "you can buy a 10 year old 200,000mile 7 Series/S Class/A8 for less money" brigade?
muz379 to tommie1shunt
17 Jan 163#117
The deal posted on here and the dealership are quite clear about what this is . It is a pre registered car .
Even so given the list price of this model it is still a bargain against that price .
As for the fact that the clock is ticking on the guarantee . I am informed that these cars were registered in the middle of dec 15 . So that is a month that has gone on the guarantee . If the Ad is to be believed these are coming with the 5 year Dacia warranty and so a month missing is really insignificant .
As for the miles on it . Even "brand new" cars have miles on them . A friend recently took delivery of his brand new audi A3 company car . Guess what it had about 70 miles on the clock . The cars have to get from the factory to the ship and from the dealers storage yard to the dealership somehow , and they also have to be test driven by one of the service techs before you get your car . If this car was used for test drives or as a courtesy car I would hazard a guess and say it would have in excess of 99 miles on the clock .
The cars will be "last years " model . Whatever that means . Unless there is a major face lift to a model of car the car you are buying was most likely built some considerable number of months before . Even with face lifts and changes to specs and engines cars will have been built some number of months prior so that they are ready to hit the market . Unless you go on some exclusive Ferrari/Porsche/Lamborghini waiting list you will be getting a car that has been built many months previous .
Even if this car only lasts out the 5 year warranty that means it will cost you just over £73 a month to buy this car . I dont know of many other cars you can buy for such little money .
If it was not for the fact that these are only available in arctic white I would seriously consider this deal given I am currently running a 10 year old car fast approaching 100k which is just a time bomb waiting to go off as far as I am concerned .
As for the "buy a used XYZ " for the same or less money . Yes but your used car will not be coming with a 5 year warranty
smithies10
17 Jan 16#116
What Car have the Dacia Sandero 1,2 Ambiance as their BEST budget car in the sub £12000 category in their 2016 awards with a target price of £6795. It comes with the usual 3 year warranty but it can be extended to 7 years.
crgritchie
17 Jan 16#115
LOL very witty, but don't give up your day job! (assuming you have one).
Think it'd be worth more than £10, take a look on autotrader for a similar spec, although of course those are asking prices - around £4-500 which is what the poster I'd responded to was saying about the Clio. Generally at that age the amount of mileage, MoT remaining, service history and (previously) tax remaining would influence the price, plus any work just done with receipts etc. These sorts of bargain car places would imagine offer less but I'd still expect to get £250 and save the hassle of private sale, having 2 cars concurrently etc
dsuk
17 Jan 161#114
All these people talking about the 99 miles on the clock Indicating its second hand, used, ex demo etc are talking trash. How do you think it gets from the factory onto the ship, every car gets driven by some pleb who doesn't care about your precious car before you even get it.
cpandk
16 Jan 16#3
Anyone have one of these and can give an honest opinuion as to how good? Thanks
groenleader to cpandk
16 Jan 16149#4
Hello! I am a fleet manager for a living, I do not own one of these cars but I am invited to days hosted by car manufacutres and have had some hands on driving experience on the open roads in France in the Duster, Sandero and Logan.
They have been hugely popular in France and with employees in our French deivision. I would say they all remind me, except the Duster of say low and medium spec Renaults and Citreons that were about in the late 1990's - early 2000's.
They drive OK, nothing like Fiesta or anything else remotely modern. They are a bit thin and noise insulation is not great. Seats are not all that thick nor are they comfy for long drives, but the if your getting out of a 2001 Astra, you will probably not notice. Do you see what I mean?
They are cheap and simple, I would not say they were crude and certainty not un-driveable as regular use cars. Take the Suzuki Jimny, it is crude and rather awful drive on the road, the Dacias are not like that.
The point I would raise which is that if you want really basic transport and want it new then these tick those boxes. However, by British driving expectations I would of thought a used example of another car would be much better.
The Duster is actually bit agricultural to drive but I can see the appeal if you want something between a Defender (for road manners) and 2002 Rav4 for the inside. Probably the pick of the lot IMO.
The Logan estate....if you ever drove the 306 Estate or MK3 Astra estate, you will sort of know what this is like.
5 grand is a lot of money, has it got google's new self-driving module to get me home from the pub?
bonzobanana
17 Jan 16#109
Voted hot. Seems a great deal for basic cheap motoring and they seem reasonably large for a super mini. Is this the model that seems like the ideal spec according to this?
Got one.does what it says on the tin.Don't expect a fantastic car but a reliable well built value for money car.So happy our daughter bought one and has done over 30000 in less than 2 years and never missed a beat or anything went wrong. Three year warranty ,no mots or tyres to replace a no brainer. :smiley:
OrribleHarry to tinadog
16 Jan 161#38
Are tyres included in the warranty?
smugjojo to tinadog
17 Jan 16#106
A disposable car. I like it.
Topper1900
16 Jan 16#57
Just because one hire car developed a squeak doesn't mean every Dacia will develop one/it can't be fixed easily by a dealer?
It seems the cheaper Access model can be bought for just £4995!
If it's comes with a 5 year warranty this seems an increble deal as for less than a £1000 per year/£70 per week you get virtually trouble free motoring.
BuckRodgers666 to Topper1900
17 Jan 162#105
Never said it can't, just sharing my experience
aland163
17 Jan 16#104
Also division.
I'm on your side
gh000stman
17 Jan 162#103
Possibly the stupidest comment I have read.
brookysm
17 Jan 16#96
Just buy a 15 year old Clio for £500. You're getting the same quality albeit without the warranty but think of the saving....
crgritchie to brookysm
17 Jan 16#100
Haha I have a 15yr old Punto 1.2 at the moment! Runs just fine and may do for a further 10-15,000 miles but am very tempted to use it as p/ex and get one of these with 5 years stress-free motoring, modern safety features and otherwise similar performance. Also looks like:
"Every vehicle is delivered with the full manufacturer´s warranty and roadside assistance." So sounds like they chuck in at least 12mths breakdown cover.
crgritchie
17 Jan 16#98
If you take the free metallic paint option then the Dacia website price puts this model at £7290, plus £55 DVLA reg and £395 for the further 2yr warranty, both also included. £7740, down to £5495 is cracking value.
GAVINLEWISHUKD to crgritchie
17 Jan 161#99
There is only 4 available and they are all Glacier White.
aljack
16 Jan 16#83
Sorry but I just don't see this as a deal.... Better cars on here listed recently for around this price x
Gozer to aljack
16 Jan 162#86
Where? I've seen 2 year lease deals for £5,500 but not a car purchase. Please give me some links.
joedastudd to aljack
17 Jan 161#97
Got the links? Not seen a new/pre-reg car for this low since the scrap scheme a few years back.
TheGimp
16 Jan 16#94
Dacia are currently doing a £500 (£750 for Duster) Dealer contribution on new cars so these pre-registered may be slightly less of a good deal than you may think.
Edit: Contribution is only when you take Dacia finance (which has a £99 application fee).
Always laugh at this though. Change the colour on the Configurator then look at the price :wink:
I think the difference in price/savings between them though has more to do with OTR price. Pre-Reg should (though deal gives confusing info) have Tax and 1st Reg fee already paid so an added saving. Whereas new price excludes tax and 1st reg fee.
MazingerZ
16 Jan 163#90
I know IT bosses who earn £200k+ a year and couldn't connect a damn router to a PC. What a stupid comment you have made.
uktottys
16 Jan 16#89
Strange however that you didn't pick him up on his spelling of "you're", perhaps he has issues spelling or was just typing in a hurry like most of us.
NiceButDim
16 Jan 166#88
Hot from me. Any car that costs as much as most cars depreciate in their first year, comes with a 5 year warranty and therefore gives 5 years cheap motoring has got to be a deal.
If I needed a car I would definitely take a look. I hate spending money on cars. It doesn't matter how much you spend, how fast or refined it is, you all end up in the same traffic jams.
andyb83
16 Jan 161#87
Well, aren't you clever. I notice your post is edited, spelling mistake maybe?? You really need to get a life.
cabbagekitten
16 Jan 16#85
Fantastic price, better value than VW fox. Most people don't realise space is the ultimate luxury. For £5.5k this is great. It's basically an old Clio. I've rented one for 3 weeks and it was adequate. Reasonable. My friend works for Dacia he says parts are more expensive than they should be
jarjarmustdie
16 Jan 161#84
Not a car I would ever purchase. :smirk:
However heat added for the price :sunglasses:
gtd65
16 Jan 16#82
What disappointed me about the Duster was the following:
1. The amount of places that the car squeeked and rattled, it seemed that the whole car had issues.
2. The feel of the plastics reminded me of a Proton rather than anything Japanese or Korean (I used to like the old Protons that were Mitsubishi based)
3. The fact that the Duster looked almost worn out at only 1 or 2 years of age.
It might be that the Turkish editions are of a lower specification? I've only been in one Duster - so it may well have been a very poor or badly abused specimin.
I think the Duster is quite a handsome car and thought it might have felt more like a Renault or even Nissan product at a knock down price. Like a cheaper Qashqai?
Some people might not know that the Dacia Logan was rumoured to cost only US$1069 to manfacture, (compared to around 3000 Euro for a VW Golf)....and they sold differently specified versions to suit local markets. They orginally sold the Logan for twice the price in Western Europe compared to Eastern Europe.
We have a 5 years old IX35 and a 1 year old Duster. The IX35 has many whistles and bells whilst the Duster is good fun to drive and feels a bit like a Spitfire in comparison to a 747 (although the Duster has cruise control the IX35 does not). I don't think that there are many bad cars any more and would recommend Dacia (based on our Duster only admittedly) for anyone who is not that worried about brand snobbery and lots of largely superfluous gadgets. Hopefully no typos .....
cecilmcroberts
16 Jan 16#78
PRE-REGISTERED 65 PLATE
Special Offer - Pre-registered with delivery miles only. Limited availability. Balance of the new Dacia 5 year / 60,000 mile warranty included.
Finance is subject to status. This is a special offer exclusive to Pentagon Dacia and cannot be used in conjunction with any other offer or promotion. Vehicle shown for illustration purposes only. All prices exclude first year road tax (if applicable), DVLA registration fee (£55) and optional metallic paint. Please call or visit your nearest Pentagon Dacia retailer for more details.
Every Pre-Reg car I've ever seen advertised always says "reminder of warranty". Very transparent on the site. Build date and reg date on most new cars can be quite far apart anyhow unless you order a very high demand vehicle or a car/model that has just been released. I remember buying a Mazda 6 New and the dealer showed me a list of cars from Mazda dealer website which where sitting ready to go soon as he pressed the button they where built 6 months previous. If I wanted a colour/variant which was not on that list I would have had to wait around 12 weeks. Though my last Alfa I bought was ordered before the launch date in the UK of the revised models, waited 4 months and got a car that had a build date of 2 weeks from date of reg.
OP, might want to add that part in bold from the website about the 1st years tax not being included by the looks of it. Strange one that really don't understand as the dealer would have had to Tax the vehicle and pay the £55 reg fee to be able to pre-reg the vehicle unless they maybe adding this into the "savings" price. Pass just think strange comment!
In all honesty myself if I was in a different financial position I certainly would not dismiss this at that price though would also consider one of those Chinese MG's that normally they have pretty good deals on also.
alithomas
16 Jan 161#77
Good post, does anyone know the best place/dealer to locate the entry Diesel Sandero?
samspud
16 Jan 162#76
What a tool
John Mason
16 Jan 16#75
Well in theory it will not be worth as much but given its so cheap to start with its not worth bothering about.
WBRacing
16 Jan 161#74
John Mason
16 Jan 161#73
Stupid comment of the week more like!
BM12
16 Jan 161#72
No the warranty almost always starts when the car was registered, NOT when you buy it. Tell me thats tosh when you go to sell it or PX it.
bountyhunter53
16 Jan 16#71
James may must be ecstatic.. #TopGear
BM12
16 Jan 162#70
Brand new and pre-registered are NOT the same thing. Pre-registered are vehicles that are NEARLY new. Its like saying a open box iPhone is brand new sealed in box. If you check the build date and registered date you will find that these are miles apart. Old lying around pre-built stock usually. Warranty starts from date registered so not full warranty - its the balance. The dealer can't amend this nor can Renault/Dacia.
MaximusRo
16 Jan 161#69
common man, this one comes with an MP3 player, Bluetooth and USB input, surely none were available in 1997
clsss
16 Jan 16#68
Just be careful of the warranty with a pre-reg...
We bought ours pre-reg in May 2014... so in May 2015 I went to get it serviced, only to find the warranty starts (and the 12 month service interval) in March 2014 when it was registered... hence, I'd missed the 12 month service interval by 2 months...
So after contacting both Dacia and Renault and also emailing asking to confirm if my warranty was now invalid, all they kept telling me was "service it as soon as possible", but wouldn't categorically state my warranty was now invalid. I just couldn't get a straight answer out of them.... so in the end I decided to gamble and save the £150 service fee and just changed the oil and filters myself, at a cost of about £40 and 1 hour on my driveway.
MaximusRo
16 Jan 16#67
Not sure about the brand new part, as it says "with less than 99 miles" but still, that's basically new.
MaximusRo
16 Jan 16#66
Just to clarify, your calculation is not correct, as it is written in big letters on the site if you click on the deal:
"from £5495"
"Save up to £1245"
So the max you can save on this deal is £1245 not £1695, that would indeed be huge.
wingnino
16 Jan 161#63
Agreed!!!
PierremontQuaker
16 Jan 16#62
gets 3 out of 5 on whatcar? so that's not too bad - personally I think it looks like a decent run around car, but only if you are not too bothered about your image around town!
doritos
16 Jan 16#60
for a new car you can't grumble at all.
For a pottering about town, supermarket car = ideal.
Teezer
16 Jan 162#59
Nasty comment, I guess you've never made a typo. Idiot.
Edmundo07
16 Jan 16#58
Have had my stepway 2yrs and i love it. Very impressed, reliable and economical to run. Couldnt ask for more. Havent had one issue compared to the **** heap vauxhall meriva i had last.
winchman
16 Jan 163#56
People get so funny about these tin boxes on wheels. It's just a way to get from A to B. You can chuck this one in any car park or street and not worry about, as long as it reliable, that's all you need.
BuckRodgers666
16 Jan 16#55
Though not a Sandero, I had a duster 1.5diesel for about 2months. The inside feels a little on the cheap side certainly (probably because it IS cheap) but really enjoyed the drive. Plenty of poke in it and was a pleasurable driving experience.
Unfortunately it at only 3000 miles developed a bit of a squeak at idle. (Like a belt squeak) if it were mine it would have gone back in, but as it was a hire car I just put up with it. May have an indication on the quality of the Sandero.
At that kind of price it's a bargain really
abaxas
16 Jan 167#54
These ar better built than any BMW. Also, people who own them tend not to park at a 45 degree angle in disabled bays.
Kickassonxbox
16 Jan 16#53
Good Price.
Voted HOT.
bilbob
16 Jan 16#52
I'm no fan of these cars, but this is incredible value for money...
John M
16 Jan 164#51
Plonker!
vulcanproject
16 Jan 16#50
I'm not a fan at all but if nothing else it's anti fashionista. Fair enough
pibandpob
16 Jan 161#49
I bought a new Sandero Ambiance last June, and really like it. I do the usual day to day driving, and have even driven it across France. Plenty of power (for me), comfortable, and it's never missed a beat.
I can never quite understand why it's described as a 'super mini', as I think it's pretty spacious! It carried me, two teenagers, our dog, four weeks worth of luggage, and plenty of wine on our way back from France, anyhow. I had a Chevrolet Spark before the Sandero - that's what I'd call a super mini!
kirstyjane72
16 Jan 16#40
Worst dealer in UK
GAVINLEWISHUKD to kirstyjane72
16 Jan 16#43
What went wrong with Pentagon Dacia Lincoln?
Gozer to kirstyjane72
16 Jan 162#48
Arnold Clark!
heathergreen1
16 Jan 162#47
Hot - great deal. Also, if anyone is interested, it's got a 4 star ncap rating:
the reason i said no tyres was because over 30000 miles and tyres are still like new unlike a second hand car of the same value you may buy . sorry for the confusion
Heat Sink
16 Jan 161#45
what an idiot
OrribleHarry
16 Jan 161#42
Read again and ask yourself why I posted that....... I was commenting to the poster who said no tyres for 3 years.
Besford
16 Jan 16#39
What do you think?
cheeseHead
16 Jan 165#37
I own one, it gets me to work and back in reasonable comfort and is very economical. You get what you pay for and I feel that this is exceptional value for money.
ukscoob1
16 Jan 16#36
these arent much more brand new.....
BenderRodriguez
16 Jan 162#35
Those things were "extras" in 1997.
mattturner756
16 Jan 163#34
This was really helpful, thank you
Zuulan
16 Jan 161#33
Agreed, this is almost 25% off. Provided the 5 year warranty is included without the need to use their financing. Although I suspect you do have to, it's just hidden in the small print somewhere.
groenleader
16 Jan 161#32
That IMO is a very decent discount. For retail sales of a not a new model and one that is not being terminated anything more then 10% is getting good! Exceptions apply of course.
Gollywood
16 Jan 16#31
What a nobhead!
PHILDUBAI
16 Jan 16#30
Shut up you tw**
blackrat62
16 Jan 162#28
Well I don't know of a better [u]new[u] car for the money and they generally do OK in owner surveys (compared to many prestige brands even). Heat added.
ssc1
16 Jan 16#27
the butt of tg jokes personally think its a ok car.
bradevosprint
16 Jan 161#26
Aren't these built on the old renault clio platform? Might be better if there was a 182/197 option
dude786
16 Jan 164#22
5 Years / 60,000 mile warranty, not bad at all
topss to dude786
16 Jan 161#24
Hmmm Dacia's own site say it's 3 yrs with a £395 option for the 5 yr one. If they are throwing that in, then it's even better!
"Dacia Warranty
Every new Dacia is covered by a standard 3 year / 60,000 mile* Warranty package. Under the terms of this Warranty, your Dacia dealer is able to repair or replace, without charge, parts that are found to have a material or assembly defect that is recognised by Dacia. Your new Dacia also comes with a 2 year paintwork warranty, as well as a 6 year anti-corrosion warranty."
I've just seen Dacia Sandero Stepway and I love it :smiley:
gtd65
16 Jan 162#21
When I was working in Turkey last year, one the drivers had a Duster that he drove me to work in a couple of times. I was thoroughly disappointed in the ride and general build quality of it.
The other drivers had KIA Sportage and Hyundai IX35's and they felt like a Rolls Royce by comparison......
I've not been inside a Sandero yet but expect something broadly similar....
A German mate of mine has a Logan estate and he really likes the reliability of it.
androoski
16 Jan 1610#20
This applies to my requirements for a car, others may have different circumstances:
I've never looked closely at a Sandero, but I did spec and price up a Duster when I was choosing my current car.
The base models are very cheap but really sparsely equipped, and when I spec'd up the Duster with better equipment (as far as you can go with these) then the price was only a bit less than similar class cars from established car brands after I'd negotiated discounts. Then after residual value is considered the Duster became an uneconomical choice. And Dacia weren't offering much in the way of discount.
I do think they are still good value at the price of this deal though, after all, it can never really devalue more than £5,500 in its lifetime. A new £20K car will lose that in 12 months.
topss
16 Jan 168#10
Ah I deleted my earlier comment by mistake!
Anyway, seems these sell for around £3000 at 3 years old. So £2500 for 3 years to get you around. Around £70 per month. Not bad even compared to leasing.
tinman41 to topss
16 Jan 162#19
Theres always one div.
andy95
16 Jan 1620#17
:man: what a weird response. The error is clearly transposition and not a spelling error.
I, for one, don't assume the poster works for Dacia and certainly am grateful for the full and frank opinion based on years of commercial experience.
androoski
16 Jan 16101#16
Do you mean 'Citroën' ?
JUSTANOTHERSTAR
16 Jan 1620#15
Why would he give it a relatively negative review and compare it to 15 year old cars if he worked for the company?
Uridium
16 Jan 164#14
OK price, nothing amazing. Voting hot though just to counter one of the cold voting badge snob votes.
FamilyGuy67
16 Jan 166#13
James May will be pleased
topss
16 Jan 1643#12
What an ignorant comment.
paulandpam1
16 Jan 16101#11
Stupid comment of the day /\
Nesima
16 Jan 165#9
Anybody who was really a Fleet Manager would not misspell 'Citroen'.
Sounds like you are from Fantasy Island.
I assume you work for Dacia.
cpandk
16 Jan 163#8
Thanks really helpful
Ruffuz
16 Jan 165#6
My father has one, agree completely with poster above.
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They have been hugely popular in France and with employees in our French deivision. I would say they all remind me, except the Duster of say low and medium spec Renaults and Citreons that were about in the late 1990's - early 2000's.
They drive OK, nothing like Fiesta or anything else remotely modern. They are a bit thin and noise insulation is not great. Seats are not all that thick nor are they comfy for long drives, but the if your getting out of a 2001 Astra, you will probably not notice. Do you see what I mean?
They are cheap and simple, I would not say they were crude and certainty not un-driveable as regular use cars. Take the Suzuki Jimny, it is crude and rather awful drive on the road, the Dacias are not like that.
The point I would raise which is that if you want really basic transport and want it new then these tick those boxes. However, by British driving expectations I would of thought a used example of another car would be much better.
The Duster is actually bit agricultural to drive but I can see the appeal if you want something between a Defender (for road manners) and 2002 Rav4 for the inside. Probably the pick of the lot IMO.
The Logan estate....if you ever drove the 306 Estate or MK3 Astra estate, you will sort of know what this is like.
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So far they're recommended for a nice cheap runaround.
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Perhaps you will get on the Dacia Forum site and share your experience with other Dacia owners.
Of course the price is relevant. This is a deals forum not a chat about cars randomly forum. The diesel is a better engine but as this thread is about the car in the OP then you need to mention that the better engine is significantly more expensive and thus puts the resulting car n a very different price category.
The fact that the diesel is dearer is not the point, more that the engine on offer here is poor and underpowered is for motorway driving.
Did you just feel the need to troll?
Either go for the TCE 1.0 Turbo if you must have a petrol as it's got 90 BHP and is a more modern and quieter engine, or preferably opt for the diesel, which is the 1.5 DCI as used in the latest Clio, Megane, Nissan Juke and Qasqai amongst others. Very reliable and a well proven engine. Lots of power for it's size too. My dads just bought a Dacia Duster with one and the things really shifts.
Sounds an honest, informative review to me, without any bias.
BTW, there were 456,000 results on Google for "Citreon". Some from notable motoring sites. Seems 456k people working for Dacia on Fantasy Island have also made the typo.
I usually pay little attention to review sites for cars . What I did when I bought my current car(fiat panda) was had a look at one of the owners forums for the car that I was buying , they had a really good guide listing the common faults with the cars and things to look out for when buying . Looking through the list of problems that recently cropped up also gave you an idea of what goes wrong / how much or how easy it is to fix . Best thing is because this forum is made up of owners you get a much better overview of the car and its pros and cons from people who have actually owned and lived with the car . Not some motoring journo who has driven loads of high end cars and has the car for a week to "review it " . Looking at the owners forum or a general car forum for information about a given car and going and looking and test driving a few examples will give you an idea of what you are getting . If possible and there is one for sale near you go and see a Sandero that is a few years old that is up for sale . This will give you an idea of how the car will age .
A lot of car reviews you read also say completely stupid and obvious things . Reading a review for an Audi A6 Avant once and one of the cons was that it was hard to manoeuvre in tight city streets . Well obviously you are not buying that car for that purpose . Much like the review I read for the Aygo which stated that the car struggle to keep up pace on open roads and the handling leaves a lot to be desired at speed . Well yes it is a city car designed for the city streets not the open road .
If this is correct, then they are having a tough time shifting these, or have I missed something?
I'm soooooo tempted to go for this but I'd like to hear a few more people talk about driving it on the motorway and how it coped then. Also not keen on the only colour being glacier white for £5.5k but for the price it's an utter steal.
It says pre registered cars & they will be brand new built with full warranty, one owner who will be the dealer, who has registered it to get his sales bonus hence the reduction.
The main page says that there are only 3 cars available at this price?
Also, not sure if £5495 price is only applicable for white or are there any other colours available.
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I got leather 3 and 2 seater sofas from Freecycle for nothing. :smile:
While its not as good on the other bits as the others but they are far less important to me. Yes if I hit a deer I'm more likely to be able to have it for dinner than a Volvo C60 so what's no to like!
I've owned now three in a row of what people would say to avoid like the plague an Alfa Romeo and either I'm incredibly lucky but I've never once had an issue. My father has what is normally voted one of the most reliable cars a Skoda and currently it is 2 year old with 8K on the clock and been back to dealer 5 times for various faults 2 of which being what you would expect from a car of an old age and high mileage. If I was on a tight budget and wanted something to get me from A to B with 5 years more or less worry free I'd jump at this.
There is a very good video of this car (basic) by Fifth Gear on You Tube.
I have other questions when they callback.
Not Hot Frog deals.
Citroen, however it is spelled is a FOREIGN word.
We are allowed to and quite entitled to, show Johny Foreigner how to spell their silly languages, either as we please, or correctly, as we see them. :confused:
I knew a guy who had to wait 6 weeks for a bumper to arrive as the stock level of such kinds are next to nothing.
Reliability & Renaults are two words should never be in one sentence.
This has electric windows, central locking, body coloured bumpers and a stereo just to name a few extras.
As a long term second car this is a deal. If you can service it yourself and can follow a Haynes manual then there is no reason this couldn't last you 10-12 years.
It will become the go anywhere car. Supermarket Friday evening, Tip on a Sunday morning, camping.
Personally I like a great seat, a good safe drive, with a decent entertainment system and relaxing quiet interior.
I am happy to pay a little extra for this. Very comfy and will last me a while.
Compare it to the couch I sit in at home, I think it cost me around £2.5k, very relaxing, comfy and will last me a while. Alternatively I could have bought some Tesco folding chairs, which will serve the same purpose for £8, but it's not a nice experience.
Basically, you are getting what you pay for.
Its all about what you are used to and what you want out of a car
If you are used to driving brand new high end marques then yes this is going to be a poor driving experience for you . But then you wont get the driving experience you are used to for anywhere near this sort of money
I personally see my car as a means of getting between work and home some 12 miles apart . I rarely drive my car anywhere that is not work and If I did not work shifts that started and ended outside of the hours that public transport operated I would personally not need to own a car . The less money I can spend on a car the more money I can contribute towards paying my mortgage off early so I can retire early , and going on holiday . Not point in driving a nice brand new merc to work when you are 65 . I plan to be well retired by then
If you want cheap motoring I'd be surprised if this offer can be beaten, you have to wonder why Skoda & Seat etc have left this part of the market to Dacia.
This is what you could have for same money, note the cvt auto
That's gonna leak oil like a sieve
I've lived on and off in Romania for the last 15 years and I've driven (I think) pretty much every Dacia ever produced, including my neighbours 1974 model which, to be fair, is still going.
Anyway, they are all rubbish....and that's taking the price into account.
Doamne ajuta!
2013
49,000
£3,500
Test drove the diesel version about 18months ago. Wasn't bad at all, nice amount of room in the back and boot.
Only trouble is road tax on the petrol (this one) is £130 and the mpg isn't the best.
But for £5500 for the non base model is a great deal.
Anyway, this looks like a good deal. Wish they were near me so I could have a look at one properly.
Not as uncommon as you think..
Cars have very limited driving from manufacturing belt to transporter to boat/train to dockside to transporter etc. and this is what the European law was based on for delivery mileage with talks with the manufacturers when this ruling was introduced.
Sat nav/media replaced under warranty a few months ago that is manufactured by LG other than that no problems.
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Built on dated yet proven technologies
Tested thoroughly
Same engine used in Clio/Twingo
Excellent value
I have a Sandero, albeit a diesel. Would recommend
Rust issue only applicable to 2013/14? Dusters manufactured in India
Everyone is just guessing at the warranty etc...
I was all for these cars originally (especially duster), however once doing some research and actually going to see them at the garage I realised they were a poor choice.
The thing that put me off the Duster as a spare car was the rust problems. These were coming out of India with rust already on them. A combination of poor rust proofing and the sea journey over. Also when your sitting there in the cabin you just feel like a total $#!¥. Much better to buy the best of class at 3 years old than this POS.
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should be ok
A 2ndhand alternative car will be high risk in comparison.
Although I am a two times Honda Jazz owner and I am well under 65!
can get a 3 year old honda jazz for same money.
The problem in pretentious middle England is that some people think the number plate is more important to show to the neighbours. Sad but true.
Also what's happened to the "you can buy a 10 year old 200,000mile 7 Series/S Class/A8 for less money" brigade?
Even so given the list price of this model it is still a bargain against that price .
As for the fact that the clock is ticking on the guarantee . I am informed that these cars were registered in the middle of dec 15 . So that is a month that has gone on the guarantee . If the Ad is to be believed these are coming with the 5 year Dacia warranty and so a month missing is really insignificant .
As for the miles on it . Even "brand new" cars have miles on them . A friend recently took delivery of his brand new audi A3 company car . Guess what it had about 70 miles on the clock . The cars have to get from the factory to the ship and from the dealers storage yard to the dealership somehow , and they also have to be test driven by one of the service techs before you get your car . If this car was used for test drives or as a courtesy car I would hazard a guess and say it would have in excess of 99 miles on the clock .
The cars will be "last years " model . Whatever that means . Unless there is a major face lift to a model of car the car you are buying was most likely built some considerable number of months before . Even with face lifts and changes to specs and engines cars will have been built some number of months prior so that they are ready to hit the market . Unless you go on some exclusive Ferrari/Porsche/Lamborghini waiting list you will be getting a car that has been built many months previous .
Even if this car only lasts out the 5 year warranty that means it will cost you just over £73 a month to buy this car . I dont know of many other cars you can buy for such little money .
If it was not for the fact that these are only available in arctic white I would seriously consider this deal given I am currently running a 10 year old car fast approaching 100k which is just a time bomb waiting to go off as far as I am concerned .
As for the "buy a used XYZ " for the same or less money . Yes but your used car will not be coming with a 5 year warranty
Think it'd be worth more than £10, take a look on autotrader for a similar spec, although of course those are asking prices - around £4-500 which is what the poster I'd responded to was saying about the Clio. Generally at that age the amount of mileage, MoT remaining, service history and (previously) tax remaining would influence the price, plus any work just done with receipts etc. These sorts of bargain car places would imagine offer less but I'd still expect to get £250 and save the hassle of private sale, having 2 cars concurrently etc
They have been hugely popular in France and with employees in our French deivision. I would say they all remind me, except the Duster of say low and medium spec Renaults and Citreons that were about in the late 1990's - early 2000's.
They drive OK, nothing like Fiesta or anything else remotely modern. They are a bit thin and noise insulation is not great. Seats are not all that thick nor are they comfy for long drives, but the if your getting out of a 2001 Astra, you will probably not notice. Do you see what I mean?
They are cheap and simple, I would not say they were crude and certainty not un-driveable as regular use cars. Take the Suzuki Jimny, it is crude and rather awful drive on the road, the Dacias are not like that.
The point I would raise which is that if you want really basic transport and want it new then these tick those boxes. However, by British driving expectations I would of thought a used example of another car would be much better.
The Duster is actually bit agricultural to drive but I can see the appeal if you want something between a Defender (for road manners) and 2002 Rav4 for the inside. Probably the pick of the lot IMO.
The Logan estate....if you ever drove the 306 Estate or MK3 Astra estate, you will sort of know what this is like.
http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/carbycar/dacia/sandero-2013/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YorOZjV1ZHE
Also its Golf size rather than Polo size.
It seems the cheaper Access model can be bought for just £4995!
If it's comes with a 5 year warranty this seems an increble deal as for less than a £1000 per year/£70 per week you get virtually trouble free motoring.
I'm on your side
"Every vehicle is delivered with the full manufacturer´s warranty and roadside assistance." So sounds like they chuck in at least 12mths breakdown cover.
Edit: Contribution is only when you take Dacia finance (which has a £99 application fee).
http://offers.dacia.co.uk/cars/sandero
Always laugh at this though. Change the colour on the Configurator then look at the price :wink:
I think the difference in price/savings between them though has more to do with OTR price. Pre-Reg should (though deal gives confusing info) have Tax and 1st Reg fee already paid so an added saving. Whereas new price excludes tax and 1st reg fee.
If I needed a car I would definitely take a look. I hate spending money on cars. It doesn't matter how much you spend, how fast or refined it is, you all end up in the same traffic jams.
However heat added for the price :sunglasses:
1. The amount of places that the car squeeked and rattled, it seemed that the whole car had issues.
2. The feel of the plastics reminded me of a Proton rather than anything Japanese or Korean (I used to like the old Protons that were Mitsubishi based)
3. The fact that the Duster looked almost worn out at only 1 or 2 years of age.
It might be that the Turkish editions are of a lower specification? I've only been in one Duster - so it may well have been a very poor or badly abused specimin.
I think the Duster is quite a handsome car and thought it might have felt more like a Renault or even Nissan product at a knock down price. Like a cheaper Qashqai?
Some people might not know that the Dacia Logan was rumoured to cost only US$1069 to manfacture, (compared to around 3000 Euro for a VW Golf)....and they sold differently specified versions to suit local markets. They orginally sold the Logan for twice the price in Western Europe compared to Eastern Europe.
https://www.dacia.co.uk/configurator
https://www.dacia.co.uk/warranty/
Special Offer - Pre-registered with delivery miles only. Limited availability. Balance of the new Dacia 5 year / 60,000 mile warranty included.
Finance is subject to status. This is a special offer exclusive to Pentagon Dacia and cannot be used in conjunction with any other offer or promotion. Vehicle shown for illustration purposes only. All prices exclude first year road tax (if applicable), DVLA registration fee (£55) and optional metallic paint. Please call or visit your nearest Pentagon Dacia retailer for more details.
Every Pre-Reg car I've ever seen advertised always says "reminder of warranty". Very transparent on the site. Build date and reg date on most new cars can be quite far apart anyhow unless you order a very high demand vehicle or a car/model that has just been released. I remember buying a Mazda 6 New and the dealer showed me a list of cars from Mazda dealer website which where sitting ready to go soon as he pressed the button they where built 6 months previous. If I wanted a colour/variant which was not on that list I would have had to wait around 12 weeks. Though my last Alfa I bought was ordered before the launch date in the UK of the revised models, waited 4 months and got a car that had a build date of 2 weeks from date of reg.
OP, might want to add that part in bold from the website about the 1st years tax not being included by the looks of it. Strange one that really don't understand as the dealer would have had to Tax the vehicle and pay the £55 reg fee to be able to pre-reg the vehicle unless they maybe adding this into the "savings" price. Pass just think strange comment!
In all honesty myself if I was in a different financial position I certainly would not dismiss this at that price though would also consider one of those Chinese MG's that normally they have pretty good deals on also.
We bought ours pre-reg in May 2014... so in May 2015 I went to get it serviced, only to find the warranty starts (and the 12 month service interval) in March 2014 when it was registered... hence, I'd missed the 12 month service interval by 2 months...
So after contacting both Dacia and Renault and also emailing asking to confirm if my warranty was now invalid, all they kept telling me was "service it as soon as possible", but wouldn't categorically state my warranty was now invalid. I just couldn't get a straight answer out of them.... so in the end I decided to gamble and save the £150 service fee and just changed the oil and filters myself, at a cost of about £40 and 1 hour on my driveway.
"from £5495"
"Save up to £1245"
So the max you can save on this deal is £1245 not £1695, that would indeed be huge.
For a pottering about town, supermarket car = ideal.
Unfortunately it at only 3000 miles developed a bit of a squeak at idle. (Like a belt squeak) if it were mine it would have gone back in, but as it was a hire car I just put up with it. May have an indication on the quality of the Sandero.
At that kind of price it's a bargain really
Voted HOT.
I can never quite understand why it's described as a 'super mini', as I think it's pretty spacious! It carried me, two teenagers, our dog, four weeks worth of luggage, and plenty of wine on our way back from France, anyhow. I had a Chevrolet Spark before the Sandero - that's what I'd call a super mini!
http://www.euroncap.com/en/results/dacia/sandero/8866
"Dacia Warranty
Every new Dacia is covered by a standard 3 year / 60,000 mile* Warranty package. Under the terms of this Warranty, your Dacia dealer is able to repair or replace, without charge, parts that are found to have a material or assembly defect that is recognised by Dacia. Your new Dacia also comes with a 2 year paintwork warranty, as well as a 6 year anti-corrosion warranty."
http://www.dacia.co.uk/services-and-finance/warranty/
The other drivers had KIA Sportage and Hyundai IX35's and they felt like a Rolls Royce by comparison......
I've not been inside a Sandero yet but expect something broadly similar....
A German mate of mine has a Logan estate and he really likes the reliability of it.
I've never looked closely at a Sandero, but I did spec and price up a Duster when I was choosing my current car.
The base models are very cheap but really sparsely equipped, and when I spec'd up the Duster with better equipment (as far as you can go with these) then the price was only a bit less than similar class cars from established car brands after I'd negotiated discounts. Then after residual value is considered the Duster became an uneconomical choice. And Dacia weren't offering much in the way of discount.
I do think they are still good value at the price of this deal though, after all, it can never really devalue more than £5,500 in its lifetime. A new £20K car will lose that in 12 months.
Anyway, seems these sell for around £3000 at 3 years old. So £2500 for 3 years to get you around. Around £70 per month. Not bad even compared to leasing.
Theres always one div.
I, for one, don't assume the poster works for Dacia and certainly am grateful for the full and frank opinion based on years of commercial experience.
Sounds like you are from Fantasy Island.
I assume you work for Dacia.