Lowest ever price according to CamelCamelCamel. Doesn't include installation, so may be good for someone looking to add a second Nest to their home?
This is the second generation, which I own, and as I have a combi-boiler there is not really a great deal different to the 3rd Gen (which is still £199.99)
*edit* Now £133.99
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AndyRoyd
20 Jan 1614#13
Exclamation mark at end of deal title so must be an absolute bargain. I'm in. :sunglasses:
robertybob to JPS
20 Jan 1613#8
I like it for monitoring what the OH is setting the temperature at.. IFTTT notifies me when she's turned it above 20'c :wink:
KongDonkey
20 Jan 1613#27
Pointless item. Anyone who can't turn on the heating themselves when they get home if it is cold and wait 15 minutes or so for it to warm up needs to man up.
AndiTails to callagc
20 Jan 168#25
You get cheaper holidays..?
Latest comments (160)
mattukdeals
27 Jan 16#160
Can everyone post their install costs please (those who didn't self install anyway), ta
adamck
26 Jan 16#159
Mine arrived yesterday, took 5 mins to install it and another 5 mins to get it updated and connected up.
within 30 mins i had it installed, app installed, schedule programmed etc...
Works like a dream!
The Next will heat your house up to the set temperature at the time set, so if you set it to 21*C at 6am, it will switch the boiler on way before that time to make sure the house gets to 21*C at 6am rather than most thermostats that switch the boiler on at the set time and take another hour to get the house warmed.
The battery is just to store the information and setting you have set up, if the power is cut or you move the thermostat to a new location you won't need to start from scratch...
The battery won't power the unit up or allow you to run it unplugged etc... its the same as most digital alarm clocks which require a battery to save the time/alarm settings.
Great item, looking forward to seeing if it reduced my bills over the next 18-24 months.
soldierboy001
23 Jan 16#158
Just been on the npower site and yes everyone is having one if you give them £129. I refer you to my previous post.
MonkeyMan90
23 Jan 16#157
it's funny that cos I got a letter from npower saying everybody was getting 1 if you want to spend your money go ahead
MonkeyMan90
23 Jan 16#155
these will be free in all house holds in the next 12 month if you are with n power and most of the other major companies are also rolling them out free to their customers so I would hold out
soldierboy001 to MonkeyMan90
23 Jan 16#156
As Supertramp once sang " Dreamer you're nothing but a dreamer ".
Emeye
21 Jan 16#152
I'm thinking of buying one. I guess the battery is so you can move the thermostat around the house and then place it on the optional stand.
soldierboy001 to Emeye
21 Jan 16#154
No use guessing if you want to stay warm.
bluepete1976
21 Jan 16#153
My gas bill last year was only £330 so I don't think this is worthwhile, my valiant wireless one does me just fine + log burner for when I'm home all day
smurkenstein
21 Jan 16#151
15 mins :smiley: my living room takes about 2 hours to get from 14 degrees to 17.5degC! My living room is a barn, mind.
The nest only uses wifi to access the internet - it has its own internal wireless network - so you could switch your router off and CH will work fine.
I noticed someone mention the battery in the nest - as far as I am aware thats only for use in a power cut - although presumably most boilers wont work in a power cut.
getmore4less
21 Jan 16#150
One think to make sure is the system can still work if the internet connection is down it need to be able to work as a stand alone programmable stat and have local manual override.
soldierboy001
21 Jan 16#149
People who say these save money must have had previous systems set up wrong, I say this as this set up starts heating the house before the desired time to get the heat there at the desired time, this all costs gas which to my mind means you are burning gas before you may require it and probably earlier than you used to start burning gas, or previously you were burning before you needed to, if that is the case then your bills would be cheaper.
I had mine set to about 15 mins before I arrived home so the house had started to warm up before I arrived and this made the house warmer than the outside temperature making me happy I was walking into a warm place, then the house would continue to the set temperature and I was warming up with it but still comfortable. Depending on the outside temperature I could adjust my thermostat up or down as required. No need to pay another £100+ and hope the updates work OK or my WiFi keeps working. Still only another few weeks and I'll have to start woorying about when my aircon comes on and off.
soldierboy001
21 Jan 16#148
Yes that's what I had years ago before I left the UK and it never gave me a problem easy to fit and easy to set and could be over ridden if needs be or set to winter/summer mode with no problems. Can't understand why people are mentioning hot water for combi use as surely hot water is only produced when hot tap is turned on.
soldierboy001
21 Jan 16#147
Can someone explain why the battery went was going dead when somebody said both ends need mains power?
Whoooo_Floorpie
21 Jan 16#146
Thanks OP. Been toying with the idea of getting one of these for a while. Hooked at that price.
Edit: Showing up as £133 for me now!
getmore4less
21 Jan 161#145
As a followup I checked one of the wired standalone programmable stat specs(One of the better ones) I looked at as a direct replacement of a wired stat.
(they do a wireless version as well) http://www.honeywelluk.com/products/Programmable-Thermostats/TPI/CM907-7-Day-Programmable-Thermostat/
Summary.
7 on/off a day 7days should be enough for most people.
Temp override to next prog
Temp override for n hours.
Sunday duplicate ( to mimic a day(s) off in the week)
Holiday for N days.
Frost protection
Variable start ( adjust so time are for temp not start time).
can also add outside and remote internal temp sensors.
(also has various setting like run pump and min cycle time for the boiler)
For many people this(or similar) will do most of the savings, without the need/want of remote access,
(link is for the manual not a rec).
Surprised there is not a web interface module since they have telephone module for these that give limited control.
alhom
21 Jan 16#144
I have nest protect fire alarm. Really smart and loud alerts on my phone when co2 or smoke build up. Easy to use as it should be with everything.
adamck
21 Jan 16#143
Ordered :smiley: thanks for heads up!
My parents and best mate have these installed and love them.
Npower are installing a Nest for me next week for me and we have been told it is 3rd Generation.
At the moment I have a wired manual thermostat.
Would the Nest be installed on that same wall (which for us is in the hall way) or would it possibly be better if I had a roaming capability for it and had it 'sat' in my living room.
I see there is this shelf thing but do you have to have it plugged in on the shelf?
If I have it connected in the hallway in place of the original thermostat I guess it is fixed in place and I can't just detach it to make it portable if I wanted?
Appreciate any answers/thoughts as to which they think best but I may not get a say in the matter.
JustinJ
21 Jan 16#140
Npower seem to have the latest one for £129 for existing and new customers
mattukdeals
21 Jan 16#139
I was seriously tempted by this, but as our house is a multi zone from a single combi boiler I'd need two Nest units. The killer for me is that I was just quoted £85 PER nest unit as an installation cost from Nationwide Heating Services which would blow my budget out of the water.
V2 installed for me,comes out at £127.67 + 85 = £212.67.
A V3 installed would only be £249, so it's only a saving of £36.33 over the latest unit.
£85 each seems really expensive from Nationwide, if it was for both units wouldn't be so bad. I've seen some people say they were quoted £50/60 by other installers, the killer for me is that the install cost is PER unit. so I'd have to double the above costs which blows the budget out of the water and doesn't make sense for me.
Can anyone else share their install costs for multi-zone systems please? Thanks!
Mr No
21 Jan 16#138
House is a 9 year old 5 bedroom. Just me and the Mrs so works well for us as we just heat the rooms we're using that day/night.
Gas bills have been between £30-£35 a month for the past 3 months.
You can setup IFTTT's "Do Button" to shortcut temps for particular rooms too (user friendly).
RedmanDealer
21 Jan 16#137
Stop it, the guy is obviously a WUM and probably comes up with more of these gems on other threads!
Similar to you, my Valiant combi boiler works fine but the previous owner thought they would scrimp and buy the basic thermostat with an analogue daily timer! The problem of having the thermostat in the kitchen is that either it is too cold (no radiator there) or too hot (when cooking) so the boiler didn't know when to come on! Add in the inconvenience of having to switch off the timer in order to put the heating on outside your set times (then remembering to turn the time back on afterwards) means that I needed to get something that would improve it.
I went for Hive (£180 with installation) and its great. Being able to change the set schedule via the app is so much better than those 7-day timers where you only had 2-3 buttons to type everything in! The frost protection is also fantastic.
Of course, if you already have a thermostat located in a suitable place, TRVs on your rads and a 7-day timer set up properly, then no, you won't save much money.
Then again, if you want to really save money, don't spend thousands on a boiler and central heating system and just live like an eskimo!
gleechy
20 Jan 161#32
Ideal for anybody who used to waste energy by leaving their boiler on all day & night, they will save a fortune probably, but normal people and those on a budget who have a control on their boiler won't save a bean.
Ideal for the luxury end and wannabee snobs.
sancheez to gleechy
20 Jan 163#35
What a stupid comment.
Have you got one?
I find it MUCH more efficient than my old pre-programmed settings. It gets the place up to temperature, and then maintains it with small boosts rather than you sitting there, realising it's got cold, and then putting the heating on full blast again for another hour. The ability to control remotely is more of an added bonus. It's the efficiency and consistency I'm impressed with having had mine in for just over a year now.
ipswich78 to gleechy
20 Jan 16#70
I don't think you know what a Nest is and how it works. You are clearly misinformed if you think your statement is correct.
I would advise in future to only comment with facts and if you know the subject matter.
w_orbit to gleechy
21 Jan 16#136
I like you. However.
This is clearly an item aimed at the more affluent market. People with non-essential fancy smart phones and disposable income to spend on internet connected thermostats. This is marketed at such people and so can't possibly be a scam I'd be surprised if anyone buying this would expect to recoup even the cost of the item in saved energy bills. They are buying it because the can afford it and want it. Having a nice home and the gadgets you want doesn't make you a wannabe snob. Look at you with your fancy internet connection... is that really a necessity, is it saving you money, couldn't you do without it... of course you could, but you want it and pay for it, and the computer or phone you are using it on. Luxury and Wannabe Snobbery is relative. People with a 32" TV may think a 44" smart TV is a luxury item, whilst those people look at 60" curved TVs as luxury and so on.
A scam is making money through tricking and deceiving people. I don't believe this product, or this deal aims to do either.
Oh and your comment about coming into a cold house and putting the heating on... If you're happy to walk into a house at say 11 degrees, and wait 2 hours for it to reach 'room' temperature (boiler running at max energy burn btw) then why not just leave the house at 11 degrees - you were obviously happy to walk into it at that temperature ?
You must get completely apoplectic about the BWM and Audi car "deals" on here !
youngsas
21 Jan 16#135
Is this include a programmer to set when the heating should be on?
patryck
20 Jan 16#117
how this thermostat would work for couple when both work every week different shifts and most time not together? So heating would be very random.
robertybob to patryck
21 Jan 16#119
I have this problem so don't use the Learning feature, if that's the thing that was attracting you to the Nest then it's may not worth buying tbh :smiley:
D00nhamer to patryck
21 Jan 16#134
That's why I'm preferring Tado which knows your location from your smartphone and adjusts the heating based on this. So if you or your wife are late from work it will delay turning up the heating. Nest will turn it up based on the learned profile it has, and only turn it back down after an hour or so when it figures out by lack of detection that nobody is home. There is a 3rd party paid iPhone app that can do this for Nest but with Tado it's a core feature.
w_orbit
21 Jan 16#133
It's unlikely.
A better bet for you would be the Hive as it has a battery powered wall mounted thermostat.
smurkenstein
21 Jan 16#132
I went from a similar scenario to you (no thermostat) to (2) Nests although I have an oil boiler and the installation was quite complicated.
The main thing is that I can now control the temperature in the house as I wish - I can set it to frugal economy (and it automatically follows) or heightened warmth all of the time. More importantly, I can stop the house from getting very cold so that the structure becomes deeply cold thus needing strong sustained bursts to get back to temperature (eg when you are asleep when no one is around to enjoy the hot air). These are definitely worth a look in your scenario.but do bear in mind that they can be buggy at times,
w_orbit
21 Jan 161#131
I think I may have spotted the reason for your £12 increase in energy costs. Anyone else ?
Staypuff
21 Jan 16#130
I've just got in from a 12.5hr night shift, it's 1.5degs c outside and because my timed thermostat has just kicked in its a bit cold. If I buy one of these you would say I'm wasteful. Who the 'F' are you to stop me a working man having some comfort when I,m 41 never been unemployed and had one job or another since I was 10(papers/milk). In my humble opinion the sooner we burn all the gas and coal the sooner we can get real effective energy production. So in fact I'm doing us all a favour, your wasteful argument is utterly redundant and has been for 30 years, we have emerging technologies but the fact we're still using fossil fuels at increased prices is just holding us back. Oh what will we do when there's no more gas, we will use the sun just like every other living thing on planet earth, sorry for the rant guys
D00nhamer
20 Jan 16#60
Tempted but still going for Tado, the proximity from phone GPS wins for me.
ipswich78 to D00nhamer
20 Jan 16#76
You can setup this type of thing using IFTT with other systems as well. Interesting though, not seen the Tado before.
smurkenstein to D00nhamer
21 Jan 16#129
Nest also has geofencing - threre is a separate (pay) app
nomez
21 Jan 16#128
That is some wizardry.
sancheez
21 Jan 161#127
If you're not trolling, then I guess you take the prize for the stupidest series of posts I've ever seen on here. And that's saying something.
I mean this:
"If anyone genuinely saves money using this system they should be ashamed of their wastefulness"
So if you save money, you should be ashamed. Of your ..... wastefulness?!?!?
Eh?
Nope. Sorry. You're going on the ignore list after spouting so much rubbish. Bye!
Searcher2
21 Jan 16#126
I have a Hive in a holiday home and Evohome in my own home.... so for the person who said a 7 day timer was all you needed - how would that help in a holiday home which is miles away? With one of these I can switch on the heating before new customers go in and switch it right down when the property is empty.
Whilst Evohome does give more flexibility by allowing you to have differing tempertures in different rooms it is significantly more expensive. I have had it a year. In that time the mobile gateway stopped working. It turns out that it is something Evohome knew about - over time the gateway must have been drawing more and more power. Evohome sent me a more powerful adapter and it's okay again now.
The Hive is better in some ways - the Evohome doesn't have a web interface whereas the Hive does and it's the easiest way to set up programmes. The Hive also keeps a temperature history and the App starts and connects much faster too.
skankingpigeons
21 Jan 16#125
heat....get it?
Rickardo
21 Jan 16#124
Ok, here goes, I'm going to risk replying to you (or feeding the troll, perhaps?). My old ish but otherwise fine combi boiler only has a basic timer, so no room thermostat. Added to that have had multiple experiences of traveling back from holiday, family visits etc. and being delayed, arriving at x hours in the night/morning with a load of kids to a freezing cold house that takes ages to heat up (far longer than 15 mins someone stated) and trying to get said kids in to bed etc.
So, surely if I'm considering adding a thermostat, which seems sensible to do, I'd be nuts not to consider something like this (although I'm probably not looking at this actual brand), rather than purely being wasteful, as you put it? It must be great having your life so controlled and self-righteous (devoid of spontaneity and fun, perhaps?), but many will see value in not only potential energy savings, but in the convenience offered?
jon_david_kelly
21 Jan 16#123
Does anyone know if I could use the power supply from my doorbell unit for this? I hAve no power local to where I want to place the unit in the hall. The doorbell box is a metre up the wall from where our current thermostat is located. I'm wondering if I can run something from here behind the plaster board wall to power the nest?
tom6195
20 Jan 161#3
How would this work if I already have a wireless RF thermostat in my house connected to a combi boiler in the garage?
jwc061 to tom6195
20 Jan 16#41
replaces the wireless thermostat and receiver unit.
trickytree1984 to tom6195
21 Jan 16#122
Yes. Your transmitter box is basically the thermostat. Rip that out and wire into that. I fitted a thermostat like yours by taking out the standard thermo and wiring in the transmitter there
KongDonkey
20 Jan 1613#27
Pointless item. Anyone who can't turn on the heating themselves when they get home if it is cold and wait 15 minutes or so for it to warm up needs to man up.
ehadz to KongDonkey
20 Jan 16#30
It's mostly about you forgetting to turn off and leave the house.. this avoids that and automatically turns heating off.. so you could save some money.... :smiley:
ipswich78 to KongDonkey
20 Jan 16#71
My house takes longer than 15 minutes to warm up. Again, I don't think you understand the benefits offered by the likes of Nest, Hive etc. if that's all you think it does.
JPS to KongDonkey
20 Jan 162#85
Wow. How ignorant can someone be? I'm amazed at some of the comments on this thread. It might not be for everyone but it helps if you understand the item before you take the mick out of it. Nest has transformed my central heating whilst reducing the costs.
JAK68 to KongDonkey
21 Jan 16#121
you must have a nuclear powered boiler if it heats your house up in 15mins :confused:
morrig
20 Jan 161#116
Man up you lot,its been a mild winter till recently and had ours on for less than an hour total except for Christmas day.
To much money and a love of gadgets brings people to buy these things,ah well moan over.
OFI to morrig
21 Jan 16#120
Assume you live in an upstairs flat or wear these:
crackshotkv
21 Jan 16#118
Deal is alright, but it's way too early to be going full on in to the IoT home, too many competing standards and issues with security. Better to wait for it to settle down rather than jumping in on the hype.
turbo_c
20 Jan 161#115
This will save you a fortune, turns off your heating even when its freezing!
getmore4less
20 Jan 16#114
why do these turn into a d* waving comp.
Most peoples heating systems can benefit from some upgrades
the cost/saving/convenience trade off will vary depending on your starting point and where you want to go.
there are cheap solutions that can provide a lot of the cost savings, for many a single zone programmable stat with holiday(most have learning anyway) will give best return on investment at under £50.
Most people have fairly regular lives set some times for the temps you want frost stat and off when on holiday job done. some have a manual boost/off options to snag a bit more comfort/saving.
At the other end we have multi zone by room return on investment will probably never happen for some bits unless you have rooms that need regular adjustments like a guest room used a lot at random and you can't be bothered to turn on/off a rad or open the door you pay for convenience..
Some property and systems need more sophisticated solutions eg the room inertia of a multi zone under floor is probably outside the scope of most of the current mass market breed of stats and a simple room stat does the job(won't be changing the room stats in our underfloor heated house, don't live there).
We have found that the change to programmable room and HW stats with internet access have transformed our heating use .we don't have a daily pattern so the flexibility and convenience to adjust both house and hot water temp at will is very useful. Doubt we will save the extra over the simple solution for some time.
Bit like LED bulb payback over CF it's ages, picked up a 10w 800lm Osram for £1 even in a room we use a lot it will take a year to pay me back but a nicer light and instant on.so worth it..
.
Waldolf
20 Jan 165#20
The nest is just a thermostat. It will work with any boiler that can have a remote thermostat - which tends to be any boiler.
They are easy to fit with common sense and basic DIY skills. Connect a receiver to the boiler (use the existing thermostat cable), connect the Nest to the mains (standard plug adapter) and then connect to your router wirelessly.
The Nest is really for singles or couples with random comings and goings. No use for families or anyone with regular patterns of home use. Don't believe the hype.
ipswich78 to Waldolf
20 Jan 164#23
I'd disagree. In addition to learning 'your' habits it also works intelligently. It learns how long it takes for your house to reach a certain temperature. This obviously varies with the outside temperature but the Nest is smart enough to adjust your heating accordingly.
So for example, you want your house to be 20 degrees at 7am in the morning, in a milder morning it will turn your heating on later where as if it's a real cold snap it will put it on earlier.
dwl99 to Waldolf
20 Jan 16#113
We are a family with regular patterns of home use. It's been really useful for quickly turning down the heating when going out and restarting it when heading back home. And when returning from weekends away. The Calida app is well worth the money and there are also a few Android Wear apps that work well
Cezza
20 Jan 161#112
Have to say I like mine. Find it much easier to programme on my phone than my old programmer. Looks very stylish on the lounge wall (mine isn't plugged in to a socket - it was connected to power using existing cables that were in place from the previous thermostat). Yes there have been a couple of bugs along the way (the switching to BST last year which was fixed by an update from Nest within the week - wasn't a big deal IMO, and the one that's been mentioned that happened this month - although I didn't experience this one). Overall I believe it has saved me some money (although because I switched supplier to take advantage of getting this for free my initial DD was set higher than my previous DD - it has now been reduced to a lot less than my previous DD). I'm hopefully going to be moving in the next few months and even with some of the bugs I've experienced I'm still considering getting this in my new house (along with some of the additional Nest products). I'm a bit of a gadget freak so I think really it comes down to individual preference. I'm sure all of these products have some glitches - but from my experience with Nest at least they do get software updates out to fix them. Sorry about the essay - just thought I'd share my experience with it. :smile:
ipswich78
20 Jan 161#111
It's like chicken pox. You've got an annoying itch, you know you shouldn't scratch it but you have to but it still won't go away...
ipswich78
20 Jan 16#110
Anyway to the original post this is a hot deal.
Supercharged
20 Jan 16#109
I definitely wasted time replying to you... and now I've done it again!
cartzuk
20 Jan 16#108
Tado for me. Seen £20/30 per month off my bills.
gleechy
20 Jan 16#107
If you look what you put, you might have to read it twice, but i'd put you in the wasteful category, I could be wrong, you may be earning too much and wasteful, but to promote something as saving money that wastes energy for the general householder is a scam.
gleechy
20 Jan 16#106
No trolling here, this is going to be seen as a big scandal, you mark my words, first there was PPI now it's turn your heating on when not necessary and all the misunderstandings that will go with it. If anyone genuinely saves money using this system they should be ashamed of their wastefulness, and that is the premise that it is being sold on, control your heating when you're out what a scam.
zawojak
20 Jan 16#105
good deal,heat added
Supercharged
20 Jan 161#104
It doesn't always work like that though... if you have a large / old property for example or have underfloor heating you maybe better off (and save fuel) by having the heating on all the time and just contolling the temperature via the stat and the Nest (and others) came along as game changers to the market. If you're not interested why post in this thread? Also, 'earning too much for this site'? - this site is as much about people who have money to spend as people who are on a tight budget, it's about genuine good deals and bargains.
ipswich78
20 Jan 16#103
Yes, I'm now beginning to think the same. If so good effort, you really had me believing that you weren't that smart.
Best trolling I've seen on here for a while. Well played sir. :man:
themorgatron
20 Jan 16#100
That's pretty impressive, I've fitted the Evohome and others in a few properties and found their rooms only go maybe 5 degC lower if left off completely. They do moan about batteries, but I'll put it down to using cheap ones from the poundshop.
Out of interest is the house a relatively new build?
Mr No
20 Jan 16#99
The TRV heads are a straight swap if you already have basic TRVs. I fitted everything myself, you don't need a plumber. (if anything, you'd need an electrician)
You can get a basic room stat for less than a Nest if the only concern is price.
In terms of functionality to cost, Evohome trumps Hive/Nest. The latter are limited gimmicks and therefore lower VFM.
gleechy
20 Jan 16#98
I see from your repetitive response, that it is you that doesn't get it, at home house comfortable temperature, not at home, heating off, get home, put heating on, leave house put heating off. I'm sure you can take it back if it's under guarantee though.
ipswich78
20 Jan 161#97
'Sigh' you just don't understand it do you. That's fine don't get so worked up about it. It makes perfect sense so have my heating on when not at home. It's so when I do get home it's at the desired temperature. That doesn't mean it goes on for two or three hours.
We all like to save money and we do it in different ways. Some people understand the concept of spending money to save in the long term. If you can't again that's fine.
AndiTails
20 Jan 16#96
But then you're talking about more than double the price, plus needing a plumber to change all the valves - probably doubling it again.
This is that old HDUK thing of comparing a £129 product to a £700 product....? (Therefore, not a comparison)
gleechy
20 Jan 16#95
Scam scam scam, in fact the only reason why it's on these pages is because it is cheaper than some other scams. Please try to get to basics, if you want the heating on at home and you're not there you're earning too much for this site designed for those who want to genuinely save money. Now just because some others want to throw their heating on when not at home doesn't make it a deal at all for anyone on a budget, in fact if you save money with one of these you should be ashamed of your wastefulness.
Mr No
20 Jan 161#94
That's odd as my guest bedroom en suite is often 9c during winter despite being next to rooms that are 20c+ (below)
The TRV batteries last 2 years+.
Supercharged
20 Jan 16#93
Does anyone know if the gen 2 and 3 can be linked?
(Meaning that if I buy this for now but then upgrade to the 3 in future, could I still use the gen 2 on another zone and they will communicate with each other... Nest say you can link them but doesn't say about different models)
littel helper
20 Jan 16#92
if you N power customer you can get it for £129.99. (was last week)
gsusx
20 Jan 16#91
I have an ICOS HE15 ... can anyone tell me would a 3rd Gen Nest work with this boiler ???
crackshotkv
20 Jan 16#37
Until we have a unified IoT standard with security in mind, this is more of a cool show piece.
onthecheap to crackshotkv
20 Jan 16#90
Is this not built with "Weave" part of project Brillo?
Mr No
20 Jan 16#87
Evohome for anyone looking for something that truly transforms how you control your CH rather than heating an entire house when you're not using particular rooms:
themorgatron to Mr No
20 Jan 161#89
Unfortunately heat always tries to find a balance, so it will move from a heated room to an unheated one (through the non-insulated internal walls). You also then have the problem of your boiler cycling excessively due to the small heat demand. Also don't forget to factor in changing the batteries on the TRVs every 6 months!
Paranoia
20 Jan 16#88
Thanks for posting - managed to talk the Amazon Customer Service agent in to refunding the difference from the Xmas Eve Price of £134.
tekistry
20 Jan 16#86
I bought individual thermostat/timers for each radiator in my house for £25 each. That way each room is heated at the right time.
Seems a better solution than one controller that turns everything on/off.
Or am I missing something?
ldee46
20 Jan 16#84
oh my God are you related to my OH? :wink:
gadgets
20 Jan 16#83
Good deal if 2nd gen functionality is sufficient which it may be for combi boiler users. I got a Salus it500 for our system but yet to install it
nealjane2014
20 Jan 16#78
if your house is empty most of the day you'll probably save money with one of these over a standard thermostat (or def save if you haven't got a thermostat at all!). Although if your wife's at home all day it'll know it and likely leave the heating on to keep her toasty and warm - and then shell go and open the windows when she gets too hot rather than turn it down!!
I'd suggest evohouse by Honeywell for more control throughout the entire house.
ipswich78 to nealjane2014
20 Jan 16#82
It does look very impressive in regards to what it can do, but to have all that kit setup you're looking at quite an outlay?
ipswich78
20 Jan 161#81
Scam? I think you've just proven my point. It's fine if it's not for you, technology isn't something some people want to use and embrace. If you are comfortable with your existing setup that's fine. I had one installed in my last house and my wife who is not into technology at all loved it and we had to get one installed when we moved house recently as for 'us' in our lifestyle it has proved beneficial and the reduced energy bills proved this for us.
omsA
20 Jan 16#75
if you like your gadgets get one, I've got one and other than being able to turn my heating on/off away from the house I've found it no more advantages than a standard 7 day programmer. I wish I had wall mounted and wired it to the boiler, instead I went free wireless free standing option.
ipswich78 to omsA
20 Jan 161#80
Did you do any research before you bought it then? Sounds like you bought one for the wrong reasons or are not using it correctly?
With tech you need to invest some time into understanding how it works and what it can do for you, all of these 'Smart' thermostats etc. are very different to the more traditional types.
gleechy
20 Jan 16#79
I am fully aware of this scam, the facts are if you can't control your heating when you are at home you don't need one of these and if you want to control your heating when you are not at home, good luck with the bills. Thank you for trying though.
ipswich78
20 Jan 16#77
With that you are correct, but you can get multiple Nests and create zones if you really want to be that detailed with your heating throughout the house. The sensible option would be to locate the thermostat in the room / area which is most used. I think you're trying to pick holes in my comments where as the point of it remains the same.
ipswich78
20 Jan 16#74
Quite different though to the likes of a Nest, Hive etc.
Waldolf
20 Jan 16#73
Many people's habits are doing the same thing every day.
This thermostat won't set the "house" temperature, but will like all room stats, will just set the temperature of the room or area it is in.
CUFC01
20 Jan 16#72
Had mine in few months. Oddly my bill has just gone up £12
Easy to install and tech support is 2nd to none. Thought it was faulty after buying new off eBay and within 4 days had a new one sent out and an engineer to install all for free.
Sometimes mine does have the heating on at 3am for some reason though.
For those asking. Very easy to install. On my ideal combi. And works well with nest smoke alarms.
Mr No
20 Jan 16#69
Evohome + IFTTT gives you plenty of options in regard to automation.
I have mine set so that if I have time booked off work via Google Calender it auto switches to "Day Off" quick setting (IE: it runs a Saturday program instead of Mon-Fri).
Mr No
20 Jan 16#68
That was my point. Hive and Nest are nothing but toys in comparison to Evohome + the TRVs.
rcourtman
20 Jan 16#67
This guy is very misinformed.. No even with good diy skills I doubt most people will be able to fit these. YES the thermostat is straight forward to switch out - but what most people don't realise is that UK nests have a heat link box, which takes considerably more expertise to install. The heat link is what speaks boiler language, and without it you might as well use the thermostat as a hockey puck.
Additionally, the thermostat is very intelligent at learning patterns of when you're in and out - families included.
RajUK
20 Jan 16#66
its Vailiant turbo max Plus 837 E , I do got the manual , but was not able to set it up still ..
blue1971
20 Jan 16#65
£116 on Flubit,if anyone uses it !
akscooby
20 Jan 16#64
This and Skylark app for geofencing. Win win!
dush_yant
20 Jan 16#9
Is the free smartmeter rollout by the govt going to make these redundant?
tony5101 to dush_yant
20 Jan 163#12
No - SmartMeters don't control your heating. These are glorified thermostats.
JPS to dush_yant
20 Jan 161#16
They are not a thermostat. They are just an advanced gas/electric meter that will automatically send your energy use info to your energy company. Nest allows you to control your heating on your phone and from anywhere in the world. Totally different products.
It was a very frustrating bug but no one was "left without heating". The bug stopped the Nest pre-heating so the house was at a desired temperature for when you wanted it. It could be overridden and set manually. It was bad but it was a very rare one off glitch in the new software. Nest got it fixed as soon as they could.
DealJourno to dush_yant
20 Jan 16#45
The smart meter rollout is already redundant. And they haven't even rolled it out yet!
jwc061 to dush_yant
20 Jan 16#46
This controls temperature. Smart meters measure electricity usage and report over data networks. There isn't much crossover.
the__cat to dush_yant
20 Jan 16#63
Why would it? This is a thermostat, not a meter.
badasschris
20 Jan 16#62
Can this be used in conjunction with tasker? then I could have it turn on as I left office or within x miles or something
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look like you can reviews not great though, probably not worth the hassle but it is pretty cool
Return
20 Jan 16#61
Netatmo is better than this for controlling your heating.
gleechy
20 Jan 161#59
I think you take the prize for stupid comment, why would I have one, when I quite clearly say they are for snobs and wasteful people. Please get with it sir.
gazdoubleu
20 Jan 16#58
A decent honeywell thermostat will learn how long it takes for your house to reach the desired temperature just as well
getmore4less
20 Jan 16#57
Hive, evo, nest, netatmo, owl, programmable stat... and more if you look around.
There are a lot of options out there, also consider where the companies are going with other home automation kit it could swing the system chosen.
themorgatron
20 Jan 16#56
I have a wi-fi programmer/thermostat and haven't used it once in over a year via my phone. I suppose if I'd paid for it I might use it all the time, in the hope of justifying the price.
Musicrab
20 Jan 16#55
Model number and I'll show you the manual?
Mr No
20 Jan 16#40
Check out Evohome before wasting money on Hive or Nest.
AndiTails to Mr No
20 Jan 162#54
Really?
Check out something that once you've added a thermostat or two is double the price of this?
evoHome is fantastic if you're going to invest in thermostatic valves for your radiators in each room of the house.
But as a basic one-house thermostat system, it's massively overkill.
getmore4less
20 Jan 16#53
some programmable standard stats have a holiday function(turn the heating off for n days)
w_orbit
20 Jan 16#39
I'm wavering between Nest and Hive.
All the reviews I've read tell you about them both, then fail to make any form of decision as to which one is better in any respect.
I like Hive as it doesn't need a power socket - it uses batteries.
But it does need a seperate network 'thingy' plugged into you router - which does need a power socket (If it can talk wirelessly to it's network thingy surely it could talk wirelessly directly to a router rather than needing yet another box - enter Hive 3 in 6months)
ruheluddin86 to w_orbit
20 Jan 16#42
Good point! I don't like the idea of having to plug the Nest into a socket!
djdaz01 to w_orbit
20 Jan 161#52
#50
Hi
Hive 2 all the way for me. As you said the remote control thermostat is battery operated (sends you an email when batteries are running low) do no hard wiring for the thermostat. The separate "hub" is actually a good thing as it improves the connectivity. You can have one professionally installed by a British Gas engineer for £249 or if you have a British Gas home care plan £199 when the engineer is already at your home. By the way depending on your boiler/ system you may need to be Gas safe registered to install a hive/ nest or similar device.
If you have any problems with your hive then a British Gas engineer will come to your home to fix it for you. No need to rip it out and take it back to the shop as you would need to do with a nest. Hive are just about to release a new range of remote products that will connect ("bolt on") to your existing hive system.
Hope this helps you decide.
Musicrab
20 Jan 162#51
"Learns your schedule to programme itself" which translates to "boiler comes on and turns off when you don't want it to"
Spend your money on something else.
djdaz01
20 Jan 16#50
Hi
Hive 2 all the way for me. As you said the remote control thermostat is battery operated (sends you an email when batteries are running low) do no hard wiring for the thermostat. The separate "hub" is actually a good thing as it improves the connectivity. You can have one professionally installed by a British Gas engineer for £249 or if you have a British Gas home care plan £199 when the engineer is already at your home. By the way depending on your boiler/ system you may need to be Gas safe registered to install a hive/ nest or similar device.
If you have any problems with your hive then a British Gas engineer will come to your home to fix it for you. No need to rip it out and take it back to the shop as you would need to do with a nest. Hive are just about to release a new range of remote products that will connect ("bolt on") to your existing hive system.
Hope this helps you decide.
getmore4less
20 Jan 16#49
this is fairly standard on nearly all current systems even the standard programmable stats from the main heating suppliers.
RajUK
20 Jan 16#48
Hi All,
You inputs will be greatly received. My property does not have a room thermostat , its a 11 year old Vailiant Combi Boiler , does have a programmer in built , unfortunately I could not set up the time myself .So currently its ON all through out the night , and also when ever we feel to heat the home . Am planning to get something simple which can set up the timer , need not be a flashy one like Hive / Nest , any suggestions please ?
sho_me_da_money
20 Jan 16#47
Still would get a Netatmo. Beats this and hive all day
jwc061
20 Jan 16#44
Took me about 15 minutes. Just need to read the instructions carefully if unsure.
I have one of these and I'm really not sure I'll bother upgrading to Nest or a similar system. The only times I would really like to have remote control of the heating is when we go away on holiday during the winter and come back to a cold home. But that doesn't happen very frequently.
abulkasam
20 Jan 16#38
i'm guessing these are absolutely pointless for an economy 7 setup?
Slippy Sloppy
20 Jan 162#36
It's also not just about turning your boiler on and off when you go out - though it does that too. The Nest works out how long it'll take your house to heat based on various factors, including your house and the outside temp. You also set the thermostat not when you want it to come on but at what time you want your house to be at a desired temperature.
Other cool features are: If you're away for a week you can use the app to switch your heating back on, so your house is warm when you return and the Nest won't ever let your home get to a point where your house is so cold your pipes will burst. In addition you don't have to go through the hassle reprogramming for different times of the year, or if your habits change it'll learn when you're likely to be in or not and will heat the house ready your return.
blue1971
20 Jan 16#2
Are these easy to install and do you have to have a certain type of boiler ?
heat by the way
waldo to blue1971
20 Jan 16#18
Should work with most, if not all, boilers, and I managed to successfully fit mine in under an hour (although I've no doubt violated countless nanny-state edicts in the process).
sancheez to blue1971
20 Jan 16#34
Not sure about Nest, but I installed my own one (Netatmo). Simple enough. Just two wires. No harder than wiring a plug. Don't see why this would be any different. It's just a relay that switches the boiler on and off.
The trickiest part was actually getting to the connection points for the wires on the controller board in the boiler. Had to dismantle more of the boiler casing than I expected. (Worcester GreenStar Junior)
They're great though. Should be standard in all new homes if you ask me.
I've added the weather station to my setup now so my heating reacts to the temperature readings from the weather station (in my back garden). Uses it for heating prediction etc. Very happy with my setup now. :smiley:
I have tado .. which can track you via mobile phone signal and turn the heating off/on when you are near by... also supports IFTTT
Slippy Sloppy
20 Jan 16#28
According to Nest the UK has never had the 2nd gen model, making this 1st Gen. Not voting cold, in fact I'd say it's still a hot price but I'd personally invest in the superior 3rd gen model for an extra £70.
Belloni
20 Jan 16#26
I'm one of the lucky few who this Thermostat isn't compatible with my boiler...
callagc
20 Jan 162#22
what if your family live abroad?
AndiTails to callagc
20 Jan 168#25
You get cheaper holidays..?
AndiTails
20 Jan 162#24
Gen 3 advantages:
* Better WiFi connection (802.11b/g/n @ 2.4GHz, and 5GHz a/b/g/n)
* Better screen quality and size (easier to read)
New Features:
* New FarSight Feature (better motion sensing)
* Now includes hot water/boiler controls
Depends if any of the above our relevant / worth it for you.
onthecheap
20 Jan 16#21
Op there is a big difference in the 2nd and 3rd in that the 3rd now can control your hot water. The generation 2 is great for anyone with a combi boiler.
blue1971
20 Jan 16#19
Many thanks
5Rivers79
20 Jan 161#17
Oh. I thought it left people in the cold as it says in this article.
Exclamation mark at end of deal title so must be an absolute bargain. I'm in. :sunglasses:
robertybob to AndyRoyd
20 Jan 16#15
Good man!!! :stuck_out_tongue:
5Rivers79
20 Jan 162#14
Alot of people were left without heating due to a software update glitch few weeks ago. Wanted one but not so sure now.
wooke01
20 Jan 16#11
we have one of these and it replaced our wireless thermostat. they just disconnect the RF module in the boiler and wire in the nest receiver. But you do need power still to power the controller (we were lucky as the old thermostat wiring that existed pre-RF thermostat was still there, so we ised that to power the thermostat).
If it has saved anything is questionable but it is convenient to turn on up when on the way home.
If you don't have kids and have unpredictable routines then I can see it of more benefit.
geriatrix
20 Jan 16#10
"I like it for monitoring what the OH is setting the temperature at.. IFTTT notifies me when she's turned it above 20'c :wink:"
Great idea - mine's always turning it down. Must sort this out. Mine came from John Lewis. £99.00 in their summer clearance. Fitted it myself, but don't expect a lot of help from Nest if you do this.
JPS
20 Jan 162#7
Fantastic price. Could not live without mine now. If you do not have a Wi-Fi enabled thermostat...stop living in the past! What are you waiting for?! :stuck_out_tongue:
robertybob to JPS
20 Jan 1613#8
I like it for monitoring what the OH is setting the temperature at.. IFTTT notifies me when she's turned it above 20'c :wink:
Vanderlust
20 Jan 162#6
60 to 150 quid for installation in my area :confused:
Are they hard to install yourself? Don't really need one but it looks great as an ornament :laughing:
ayaz51
20 Jan 161#5
Ps just got the third gen off ebay for £170. Heat still
ayaz51
20 Jan 16#4
Same here. There's literally no info out there on that combination
darthvader666uk
20 Jan 16#1
I reeeeeeallly want one of these but my gas and electric are up and maybe get one of these on a deal?
Opening post
This is the second generation, which I own, and as I have a combi-boiler there is not really a great deal different to the 3rd Gen (which is still £199.99)
*edit* Now £133.99
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within 30 mins i had it installed, app installed, schedule programmed etc...
Works like a dream!
The Next will heat your house up to the set temperature at the time set, so if you set it to 21*C at 6am, it will switch the boiler on way before that time to make sure the house gets to 21*C at 6am rather than most thermostats that switch the boiler on at the set time and take another hour to get the house warmed.
The battery is just to store the information and setting you have set up, if the power is cut or you move the thermostat to a new location you won't need to start from scratch...
The battery won't power the unit up or allow you to run it unplugged etc... its the same as most digital alarm clocks which require a battery to save the time/alarm settings.
Great item, looking forward to seeing if it reduced my bills over the next 18-24 months.
The nest only uses wifi to access the internet - it has its own internal wireless network - so you could switch your router off and CH will work fine.
I noticed someone mention the battery in the nest - as far as I am aware thats only for use in a power cut - although presumably most boilers wont work in a power cut.
I had mine set to about 15 mins before I arrived home so the house had started to warm up before I arrived and this made the house warmer than the outside temperature making me happy I was walking into a warm place, then the house would continue to the set temperature and I was warming up with it but still comfortable. Depending on the outside temperature I could adjust my thermostat up or down as required. No need to pay another £100+ and hope the updates work OK or my WiFi keeps working. Still only another few weeks and I'll have to start woorying about when my aircon comes on and off.
Edit: Showing up as £133 for me now!
(they do a wireless version as well)
http://www.honeywelluk.com/products/Programmable-Thermostats/TPI/CM907-7-Day-Programmable-Thermostat/
Summary.
7 on/off a day 7days should be enough for most people.
Temp override to next prog
Temp override for n hours.
Sunday duplicate ( to mimic a day(s) off in the week)
Holiday for N days.
Frost protection
Variable start ( adjust so time are for temp not start time).
can also add outside and remote internal temp sensors.
(also has various setting like run pump and min cycle time for the boiler)
For many people this(or similar) will do most of the savings, without the need/want of remote access,
(link is for the manual not a rec).
Surprised there is not a web interface module since they have telephone module for these that give limited control.
My parents and best mate have these installed and love them.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-35311447
At the moment I have a wired manual thermostat.
Would the Nest be installed on that same wall (which for us is in the hall way) or would it possibly be better if I had a roaming capability for it and had it 'sat' in my living room.
I see there is this shelf thing but do you have to have it plugged in on the shelf?
If I have it connected in the hallway in place of the original thermostat I guess it is fixed in place and I can't just detach it to make it portable if I wanted?
Appreciate any answers/thoughts as to which they think best but I may not get a say in the matter.
V2 installed for me,comes out at £127.67 + 85 = £212.67.
A V3 installed would only be £249, so it's only a saving of £36.33 over the latest unit.
£85 each seems really expensive from Nationwide, if it was for both units wouldn't be so bad. I've seen some people say they were quoted £50/60 by other installers, the killer for me is that the install cost is PER unit. so I'd have to double the above costs which blows the budget out of the water and doesn't make sense for me.
Can anyone else share their install costs for multi-zone systems please? Thanks!
Gas bills have been between £30-£35 a month for the past 3 months.
You can setup IFTTT's "Do Button" to shortcut temps for particular rooms too (user friendly).
Similar to you, my Valiant combi boiler works fine but the previous owner thought they would scrimp and buy the basic thermostat with an analogue daily timer! The problem of having the thermostat in the kitchen is that either it is too cold (no radiator there) or too hot (when cooking) so the boiler didn't know when to come on! Add in the inconvenience of having to switch off the timer in order to put the heating on outside your set times (then remembering to turn the time back on afterwards) means that I needed to get something that would improve it.
I went for Hive (£180 with installation) and its great. Being able to change the set schedule via the app is so much better than those 7-day timers where you only had 2-3 buttons to type everything in! The frost protection is also fantastic.
Of course, if you already have a thermostat located in a suitable place, TRVs on your rads and a 7-day timer set up properly, then no, you won't save much money.
Then again, if you want to really save money, don't spend thousands on a boiler and central heating system and just live like an eskimo!
Ideal for the luxury end and wannabee snobs.
Have you got one?
I find it MUCH more efficient than my old pre-programmed settings. It gets the place up to temperature, and then maintains it with small boosts rather than you sitting there, realising it's got cold, and then putting the heating on full blast again for another hour. The ability to control remotely is more of an added bonus. It's the efficiency and consistency I'm impressed with having had mine in for just over a year now.
I would advise in future to only comment with facts and if you know the subject matter.
This is clearly an item aimed at the more affluent market. People with non-essential fancy smart phones and disposable income to spend on internet connected thermostats. This is marketed at such people and so can't possibly be a scam I'd be surprised if anyone buying this would expect to recoup even the cost of the item in saved energy bills. They are buying it because the can afford it and want it. Having a nice home and the gadgets you want doesn't make you a wannabe snob. Look at you with your fancy internet connection... is that really a necessity, is it saving you money, couldn't you do without it... of course you could, but you want it and pay for it, and the computer or phone you are using it on. Luxury and Wannabe Snobbery is relative. People with a 32" TV may think a 44" smart TV is a luxury item, whilst those people look at 60" curved TVs as luxury and so on.
A scam is making money through tricking and deceiving people. I don't believe this product, or this deal aims to do either.
Oh and your comment about coming into a cold house and putting the heating on... If you're happy to walk into a house at say 11 degrees, and wait 2 hours for it to reach 'room' temperature (boiler running at max energy burn btw) then why not just leave the house at 11 degrees - you were obviously happy to walk into it at that temperature ?
You must get completely apoplectic about the BWM and Audi car "deals" on here !
A better bet for you would be the Hive as it has a battery powered wall mounted thermostat.
The main thing is that I can now control the temperature in the house as I wish - I can set it to frugal economy (and it automatically follows) or heightened warmth all of the time. More importantly, I can stop the house from getting very cold so that the structure becomes deeply cold thus needing strong sustained bursts to get back to temperature (eg when you are asleep when no one is around to enjoy the hot air). These are definitely worth a look in your scenario.but do bear in mind that they can be buggy at times,
I mean this:
"If anyone genuinely saves money using this system they should be ashamed of their wastefulness"
So if you save money, you should be ashamed. Of your ..... wastefulness?!?!?
Eh?
Nope. Sorry. You're going on the ignore list after spouting so much rubbish. Bye!
Whilst Evohome does give more flexibility by allowing you to have differing tempertures in different rooms it is significantly more expensive. I have had it a year. In that time the mobile gateway stopped working. It turns out that it is something Evohome knew about - over time the gateway must have been drawing more and more power. Evohome sent me a more powerful adapter and it's okay again now.
The Hive is better in some ways - the Evohome doesn't have a web interface whereas the Hive does and it's the easiest way to set up programmes. The Hive also keeps a temperature history and the App starts and connects much faster too.
So, surely if I'm considering adding a thermostat, which seems sensible to do, I'd be nuts not to consider something like this (although I'm probably not looking at this actual brand), rather than purely being wasteful, as you put it? It must be great having your life so controlled and self-righteous (devoid of spontaneity and fun, perhaps?), but many will see value in not only potential energy savings, but in the convenience offered?
To much money and a love of gadgets brings people to buy these things,ah well moan over.
Most peoples heating systems can benefit from some upgrades
the cost/saving/convenience trade off will vary depending on your starting point and where you want to go.
there are cheap solutions that can provide a lot of the cost savings, for many a single zone programmable stat with holiday(most have learning anyway) will give best return on investment at under £50.
Most people have fairly regular lives set some times for the temps you want frost stat and off when on holiday job done. some have a manual boost/off options to snag a bit more comfort/saving.
At the other end we have multi zone by room return on investment will probably never happen for some bits unless you have rooms that need regular adjustments like a guest room used a lot at random and you can't be bothered to turn on/off a rad or open the door you pay for convenience..
Some property and systems need more sophisticated solutions eg the room inertia of a multi zone under floor is probably outside the scope of most of the current mass market breed of stats and a simple room stat does the job(won't be changing the room stats in our underfloor heated house, don't live there).
We have found that the change to programmable room and HW stats with internet access have transformed our heating use .we don't have a daily pattern so the flexibility and convenience to adjust both house and hot water temp at will is very useful. Doubt we will save the extra over the simple solution for some time.
Bit like LED bulb payback over CF it's ages, picked up a 10w 800lm Osram for £1 even in a room we use a lot it will take a year to pay me back but a nicer light and instant on.so worth it..
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They are easy to fit with common sense and basic DIY skills. Connect a receiver to the boiler (use the existing thermostat cable), connect the Nest to the mains (standard plug adapter) and then connect to your router wirelessly.
The Nest is really for singles or couples with random comings and goings. No use for families or anyone with regular patterns of home use. Don't believe the hype.
So for example, you want your house to be 20 degrees at 7am in the morning, in a milder morning it will turn your heating on later where as if it's a real cold snap it will put it on earlier.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1Pwwx1cF8NQ
Out of interest is the house a relatively new build?
You can get a basic room stat for less than a Nest if the only concern is price.
In terms of functionality to cost, Evohome trumps Hive/Nest. The latter are limited gimmicks and therefore lower VFM.
We all like to save money and we do it in different ways. Some people understand the concept of spending money to save in the long term. If you can't again that's fine.
This is that old HDUK thing of comparing a £129 product to a £700 product....? (Therefore, not a comparison)
The TRV batteries last 2 years+.
(Meaning that if I buy this for now but then upgrade to the 3 in future, could I still use the gen 2 on another zone and they will communicate with each other... Nest say you can link them but doesn't say about different models)
Seems a better solution than one controller that turns everything on/off.
Or am I missing something?
I'd suggest evohouse by Honeywell for more control throughout the entire house.
With tech you need to invest some time into understanding how it works and what it can do for you, all of these 'Smart' thermostats etc. are very different to the more traditional types.
This thermostat won't set the "house" temperature, but will like all room stats, will just set the temperature of the room or area it is in.
Easy to install and tech support is 2nd to none. Thought it was faulty after buying new off eBay and within 4 days had a new one sent out and an engineer to install all for free.
Sometimes mine does have the heating on at 3am for some reason though.
For those asking. Very easy to install. On my ideal combi. And works well with nest smoke alarms.
I have mine set so that if I have time booked off work via Google Calender it auto switches to "Day Off" quick setting (IE: it runs a Saturday program instead of Mon-Fri).
Additionally, the thermostat is very intelligent at learning patterns of when you're in and out - families included.
It was a very frustrating bug but no one was "left without heating". The bug stopped the Nest pre-heating so the house was at a desired temperature for when you wanted it. It could be overridden and set manually. It was bad but it was a very rare one off glitch in the new software. Nest got it fixed as soon as they could.
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look like you can reviews not great though, probably not worth the hassle but it is pretty cool
There are a lot of options out there, also consider where the companies are going with other home automation kit it could swing the system chosen.
Check out something that once you've added a thermostat or two is double the price of this?
evoHome is fantastic if you're going to invest in thermostatic valves for your radiators in each room of the house.
But as a basic one-house thermostat system, it's massively overkill.
All the reviews I've read tell you about them both, then fail to make any form of decision as to which one is better in any respect.
I like Hive as it doesn't need a power socket - it uses batteries.
But it does need a seperate network 'thingy' plugged into you router - which does need a power socket (If it can talk wirelessly to it's network thingy surely it could talk wirelessly directly to a router rather than needing yet another box - enter Hive 3 in 6months)
Hi
Hive 2 all the way for me. As you said the remote control thermostat is battery operated (sends you an email when batteries are running low) do no hard wiring for the thermostat. The separate "hub" is actually a good thing as it improves the connectivity. You can have one professionally installed by a British Gas engineer for £249 or if you have a British Gas home care plan £199 when the engineer is already at your home. By the way depending on your boiler/ system you may need to be Gas safe registered to install a hive/ nest or similar device.
If you have any problems with your hive then a British Gas engineer will come to your home to fix it for you. No need to rip it out and take it back to the shop as you would need to do with a nest. Hive are just about to release a new range of remote products that will connect ("bolt on") to your existing hive system.
Hope this helps you decide.
Spend your money on something else.
Hive 2 all the way for me. As you said the remote control thermostat is battery operated (sends you an email when batteries are running low) do no hard wiring for the thermostat. The separate "hub" is actually a good thing as it improves the connectivity. You can have one professionally installed by a British Gas engineer for £249 or if you have a British Gas home care plan £199 when the engineer is already at your home. By the way depending on your boiler/ system you may need to be Gas safe registered to install a hive/ nest or similar device.
If you have any problems with your hive then a British Gas engineer will come to your home to fix it for you. No need to rip it out and take it back to the shop as you would need to do with a nest. Hive are just about to release a new range of remote products that will connect ("bolt on") to your existing hive system.
Hope this helps you decide.
You inputs will be greatly received. My property does not have a room thermostat , its a 11 year old Vailiant Combi Boiler , does have a programmer in built , unfortunately I could not set up the time myself .So currently its ON all through out the night , and also when ever we feel to heat the home . Am planning to get something simple which can set up the timer , need not be a flashy one like Hive / Nest , any suggestions please ?
I have one of these and I'm really not sure I'll bother upgrading to Nest or a similar system. The only times I would really like to have remote control of the heating is when we go away on holiday during the winter and come back to a cold home. But that doesn't happen very frequently.
Other cool features are: If you're away for a week you can use the app to switch your heating back on, so your house is warm when you return and the Nest won't ever let your home get to a point where your house is so cold your pipes will burst. In addition you don't have to go through the hassle reprogramming for different times of the year, or if your habits change it'll learn when you're likely to be in or not and will heat the house ready your return.
heat by the way
The trickiest part was actually getting to the connection points for the wires on the controller board in the boiler. Had to dismantle more of the boiler casing than I expected. (Worcester GreenStar Junior)
They're great though. Should be standard in all new homes if you ask me.
I've added the weather station to my setup now so my heating reacts to the temperature readings from the weather station (in my back garden). Uses it for heating prediction etc. Very happy with my setup now. :smiley:
Deal is hot however.
* Better WiFi connection (802.11b/g/n @ 2.4GHz, and 5GHz a/b/g/n)
* Better screen quality and size (easier to read)
New Features:
* New FarSight Feature (better motion sensing)
* Now includes hot water/boiler controls
Depends if any of the above our relevant / worth it for you.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-35311447
If it has saved anything is questionable but it is convenient to turn on up when on the way home.
If you don't have kids and have unpredictable routines then I can see it of more benefit.
Great idea - mine's always turning it down. Must sort this out. Mine came from John Lewis. £99.00 in their summer clearance. Fitted it myself, but don't expect a lot of help from Nest if you do this.
Are they hard to install yourself? Don't really need one but it looks great as an ornament :laughing: