WhatHifi is a comic, wouldn't base any purchase decision on their sponsored review.

The bronze don't even compare to the sx1's.

Saying they are budget speakers is rubbish as that is relevant to the person who is buying. 2k can be entry level to some. I find it difficult that most people would say a £700 standmount speaker is entry level.

Yes mission don't do anything too expensive like some of the manufacturers but it does not make these a starter speaker.

The GR10's granted are a good speaker but they are knocking on 10-14 years old. If people want to pay similar money for a second hand speaker that age there is a element of risk with how they have been treated/used. Parts will be nigh impossible to come by if the drivers are worn/damaged etc.

These are a solid speaker for £200.

I've had a set of Mission speakers for a decade, still going strong.

Negativity undeserved.

He's absolutely right though! In the 90s mission speakers were excellent, they released some amazing speakers and I'm still running a pair of 783 fronts and the matching centre. They are still and incredibly powerfull and awesome sounding set that can't be replaced unless I want to spend £1500+, and even then I think I'd struggle to see a major difference. These days they are budget speakers, IAG purchased them around 2005 and ever since they're no better than wharfedale, who are also owned by IAG.

I allready make a complain about my experience in cardiff store and send it thru web complain system on rs site and never got answer back... not even apology... completly nothing

Hi there,

I was really sorry to read of your clearly dreadful experience at our store and offer my sincere apologies.

So that I may investigate what went so very wrong here and ensure the matter is resolved to your complete satisfaction would you be so kind as to PM me with some more details?

Once again, I offer my apologies, I look forward to hearing from you soon.

Many Thanks

John Clayton
Operations Director
Richer Sounds

So basically the components do not matter as long as you have a big cabinet and lower/higher frequency response?

You may have some knowledge of speakers but not to take in to account things amplitude, driver build, cabinet design, crossovers, capacitors, materials used, dampening shows your lack of overall knowledge regardless if you built you own speakers or not.

Also I only mentioned what speakers I owned because you were stating floorstanding speakers will out perform standmount speeakers just because of frequency which is not the case.

Lack of space can be down to many factors and nothing to do with house space you snob. Many people have family`s or other furniture that take up that space because speakers are not a priority in there household and they want good quality speakers to suit there environment so opt for standmount speakers.

Enjoy you bass extension.

For everyone else if you got a pair please enjoy them and know you got a good deal on a decent set of speakers.

Wrong, if I need bass extension I utilise via crossover a subwoofer, that is what it is there to do.

I thought you used your ears, why are you mentioning reviews then?

I think you need to [read] [more] [on things] or argue on audio forums instead of coming across as self righteous. It can also be argued that bookshelf speakers offer a greater soundstage than floorstanders no matter how much you spout about how 'important it is to have low frequency.

Now back to your ridiculous statement I had umbrage with (nothing to do with these SX1's) I still think you are absolutely ludricous when you mention such crap as bookshelf speakers are farcical with no evidence to the contrary.

And if you want as 'faithful reproduction as possible' it can be argued that floorstanders actually colour the sound more than the soundstaging from bookshelf speakers....so are you getting faithful reproduction.

I suggest you go and argue it over on some av forums that bookshelf speakers are farcical.

You lost any respect when you resulted to name calling, let alone your self righteous attitude.

I use my ears to tell me what sounds good. Show me any independent reviews which state sx1's offer top notch performance without fault or that the V4 are not a great speaker (sound quality wise)

Sorry, I had to stop reading after you said this.


Do you mean the review site that rates HDMI cables like this...


http://www.whathifi.com/hd-anywhere/slimwire-hdmi-2m/review


http://www.whathifi.com/sandstrom/gold-hdmi/review

Don't generally waste my time on sheep that have little understanding of audio engineering or Theile/Small parameters but as people generally see essay length replies and assume that that person knows what they are talking about I feel the need to reply to Cicobuff and Crossy.

Firstly Cicobuff, Yes you are never going to have faithful reproduction of anything you listen to if your speakers aren't even capable of reproducing the frequencies of the material you are listening to.
Trying to stick to the subject (rather than going off on a tangent like yourself and crossy talking about your own more expensive speakers which are completely unrelated to this deal or talking about audio electronics when I am comparing the merits of one speaker to another).
I feel it strange how "you don't need bass extension" when this is such a fundamental component of sound regardless of whether you listen to classical music, pop or movies.
Secondly you misinterpret my comment about paying for brand names (by which I mean you are paying for the brand as opposed to the quality (BOSE etc), and the £150 Tannoy V4's easily trounce this deals speakers in every respect based on sound quality when comparing like for like (correspondingly being 5* rated by what hifi etc when compared with other speakers up to £700, the SX1 generally being received much less well). The facts also speak for themselves 32-25,000Hz for the V4's compared to the SX1 with 62-40000HZ. Maybe you're willing to pay for transonic sound which you can't hear but most people are not.

It wasn't until you said the following that I knew you didn't have a clue -
"I think you will find these are pricey speakers because they are premium builds, titanium dome tweeters and aluminium bass drivers. Compare that to paper dome bass drivers and polyester dome tweeters in those Tannoy V4 (I thought you did not like brand names) then you can argue all you like about 'premium brands' obviously better quality drivers cost more money....even if you were to build yourself....it's not rocket science."

Well having built my own loudspeakers, subwoofers and also owning some pretty high end off the shelf equipment I know that some of the best drivers in the world are made out of paper (Peerless etc.) and that titanium dome tweeters are nothing to start shouting about (maybe you don't mind metallic ringing).

Sound quality is to an extent subjective but if paper and polyester can sound better that's fine with me. BTW the titanium tweeters benefit is for power handling and to market higher transonic frequencies relative to what most ribbon or silk tweeters can handle, but if you're happy to pay a premium for a fancy finish then who's to say you're wrong.

I suppose if you have so little space in your house that you can't fit in some floorstanders then I suppose sound quality is the least of your worries.

What a crock, personally I have Dali Ikon 2's and they are superior to a lot of floor standing speakers even with the quality of bass.

The V4 imo of completely flat sounding, they lack detail and contrary to your belief it's not "all about the bass".

Please point me to a speaker that is better quality than this for the money.

I just noticed the above post and totally agree. What DAC, source, amp etc make a huge difference. But as long as you have floor standers it out performs everything.

Utter rubbish.

Fortunately every deal isn’t clogged up with people stating the bleedin’ obvious.

And as an enthusiast myself I am never going to have faithful reproduction of what I listen to (I have Mission's version of it...not having studio monitors it is difficult getting a faithful reproduction and anything in the chain is going to colour things regardless)....I don't want or NEED bass extension, and if I did, instead of using pure direct mode on my receiver I would simply employ the subwoofer for such purpose.

As I have already said, my V61s are exactly the same as the V62s, both cone and tweeter.


That is your prerogative to not like brand names (although you are mentioning a brand name in Tannoy), go ahead an build your own cabinets....you are not going to change others opinions. I like Mission's sound and pairing with my music and the price I paid for my own speakers.


I am not sacrificing any sound quality or frequency response, and I am saving space that I do not actually have with the tv cabinet I have all my AV equipment on, I do not have room either side of this tv cabinet...if I did it would be blocking the kitchen door into the lounge, not to mention in danger of cat damage.


I think you will find these are pricey speakers because they are premium builds, titanium dome tweeters and aluminium bass drivers. Compare that to paper dome bass drivers and polyester dome tweeters in those Tannoy V4 (I thought you did not like brand names) then you can argue all you like about 'premium brands' obviously better quality drivers cost more money....even if you were to build yourself....it's not rocket science.


How about you compare like for like instead of trying to compare floorstanders to bookshelf speakers whereby your bias that bookshelf speakers are farcical is just plain ludricrous?

As said, and I will say again not everyone is after better bass extension , or even has the room for floorstanders.....the Tannoy V4 far from use like for like drivers than these. How about a more comparable updated Tannoy V4i instead...at least those have metal drivers, and whilst Richer Sounds sell them at a bargain price, not surprisingly they cost more.

With a properly calibrated crossover you gain detail and texture in the lower frequencies Crossover also allows the speakers to produce better mid-range and highs without the bass muddying the quality, all this without the necessity for floorstanders whereby it is not practical.

In the meantime I will continue happily enjoying my Mission V61s, and glad you are not in my home scratching your head that I won't allow you to attempt to change my lounge around any more to accomodate floorstanders because you believe I am not getting as faithful reproduction of what I listen to.

Well there are many things in the chain of audio reproduction that scupper anyone getting as faithful reproduction as possible right down to your components, the DAC used, your amp/receiver, the speaker cabling and the speakers themselves.....I am never going to be that much of an audiophiliac.

As an enthusiast I would want to have faithful reproduction of what I listen to, regardless of whether it is movies or music. I'm not a fan of paying for brand names or a premium finish. I can't understand how anyone can think it a good deal to sacrifice sound quality and frequency response to save space (especially when there is so little difference if any in actual footprint).
There are plenty of options about which offer arguably better performance such as the Tannoy V4 floorstanders for £150 (Richer Sounds) or for home cinema use 5.1 THX certified speaker sets for £700 at Teufel (potentially cheaper if people are trying to build a system).
These speakers in this deal are nice for what they are but IMO you can get better performance elsewhere for less.
Bigger speaker cabinet size almost always results in better bass extension using like for like drivers.

Having bookshelf speakers as the main speakers in an 'audophile' setup seems farcical to me. There's no replacement for displacement. If you want good bass extension buy some floorstanders (unless the drivers have super long extension drivers). You can't argue with T&S parameters.

didn`t miss nothing bud.....
went to the store a week before my birthday , explained my budget, agreed price, ask for demo a CERTAIN set of speakers they said not a problem, so been happy all week went to the store for appointment demo.... and no speakers available the set which they propose to me was only 300 more expensive.... so get me really wind up in my birthday ... **** didn`t even bother to let me know so yes horrible staff and try to sell me completly different packacge and when i asked for a ANY deal he said you must check online

Because you could say that for virtually every product, cars, games, consoles, Hi-Fi, Tv`s , Computers the list goes on.

There would be no point posting new items on this site.

​What's wrong with a statement about spending the same money buying something better that just happens to be second hand. Muppet... Really...

I think the £700 is for the SX2 in normal finish (or £800 in piano), the SX1 was more like £400-500. I have the SX2 and they sound like floorstanders, I paid £450 about 9 months ago and nothing in the price bracket came close. Previous speakers include Monitor Audio, Tannoy, B&W. The fit & finish of the Missions is far superior to any £800 speaker I have seen, they weigh a ton as well (housed on partington dreadnought stands). If the SX2 is anything to go by, I would make beeline to listen to the SX1.

PS I also own a Quad, both by IAG and the build quality is tank-like.

I have the Mission SX1s and although they are adequate for the purpose intended that's about it. They can't ever have been a serious £700, which almost puts them into the price of a Monitor audio GX50 !
There's not a lot of bass, so if you're wanting to listen to drum & bass they probably aren't for you.

Ha budget! What a load of shi...

TIBO are budget speakers, come back when you know what budget audio really means.

http://www.richersounds.com/product/standmount-speakers/tibo/edge-mini/tibo-edge-mini

I've always found Richer Sounds to be pretty good but they do have a habit of always trying to sell you something other than item you want.

Try to listen if you can, as with all things it`s personal choice. Bookshelves are a bit bass light too. I`ll leave the quality argument to the rest.

Wished my local had amazing service and good quality clearance items.

Always ruined with the colour.

With installs I never buy used items, but I have always had amazing service.

I can only say again it does say on there website for "Last Few" Items the below.

"Some may be ex-display or ex-repair or missing accessories, please phone to check stock if you are making a special journey. Unfortunately, at these low prices we can't afford to transfer stock between stores or mail out direct."

I dont think they are trying to pull the wool over anyone`s eyes It is just that people fail to read the page properly.

Just to reiterate this is not for the SX1`s we are talking about, I do not want to confuse anyone who has not read the rest of the thread.

As you are probably already aware if you use them a lot....clearance items can be hit or miss when it comes to quality or items missing, invariably in my local a miss.

Thanks, calling in tomorrow as I am tempted with these for a 2nd system .

cold for retailer rubbish, they advertising stuff which they can`t get to they stores, then try to sell you something more expensive

In my opinion Mission's do last, I do not use the grills, but in my experience grills are hardly robust on many a speaker. I have not had any problem with the veneer peeling and have owned for over a decade.

Where does it state £199.95 for VIP members ?

I am sure its 10 years for almost every company after production not just high end ones. Once they are done they are done. Manufactures change the components used through out the years so getting hold of parts can be very tricky on anything that old.

You were also comparing the bronze range of the monitor audio`s to these which I already said were not in the same league as the SX1`s. You also mentioned build quality,the drivers are of higher quality on the SX1`s too and the Monitor Audio Bronze range are vinyl wrap the SX1 are veneer which again are superior.

Sure Monitor audio and other manufactures do a huge range much higher than some missions but that is not what we are talking about here, we are talking about a set of speakers that are priced at £200 and I do not think you will a better pair for the money.

Forgot to mention these come with a 6 year FREE guarantee.

WhatHifi is a comic, wouldn't base any purchase decision on their sponsored review.

​I've got mission m74 and m73 and satellites in my cinema. I've had two binding posts break. Two grills have cracked. The fabric they make the covers with snag just by looking at it. And the cheap vinyl they use comes away eventually on the edges and corners. Yes they replaced the binding posts when I contacted them but I've never had that happen on any other speakers. Also since picking up my gr20s I've realised for music they were quite poor sound quality. They do the job as cinema speakers though. Hey everyone has an opinion I've not been impressed with them especially compared to B&W and monitor audio

Yeah from my experience mission speakers don't last.

Yep - nonsense. It's a matter of budget vs. price/performance & Mission to my knowledge & experience have always delivered and tend to review well... I've had Mission speakers for about 25 years, no complaints. Sure you can splurge a few grand and get better, but pft - we know that already :laughing: Not all of us have that kind of money to throw around on non-essential items.

Second hand is better value, what a shocker! Muppet.

I bought myself some 602s3 brand new in about 2003 for about £350. Lovely speakers but by your reckoning surely budget also? These missions had a higher starting RRP.

Absolute steal!
love richer sounds to bits

Funny enough my last floorstanders were Mission and they cracked! They were the 733i and they used a thin plastic woofer material that aged and cracked just like it was crispy burnt paper. Very nice while they lived tho.

Beautiful finish, like a piece of furniture.
Ignore the budget comments, a cracking pair of speakers
Hot

I have the previous generation Mission 796 speakers in Piano Black & not only do they sound superb the build quality & finish is absolutely flawless. These are a bargain & if anything like the Mission 792 bookshelf series of speakers will be brilliant.

6 years warranty as well.

Great find OP

Never heard so much rubbish in all my life.

The bronze don't even compare to the sx1's.

Saying they are budget speakers is rubbish as that is relevant to the person who is buying. 2k can be entry level to some. I find it difficult that most people would say a £700 standmount speaker is entry level.

Yes mission don't do anything too expensive like some of the manufacturers but it does not make these a starter speaker.

The GR10's granted are a good speaker but they are knocking on 10-14 years old. If people want to pay similar money for a second hand speaker that age there is a element of risk with how they have been treated/used. Parts will be nigh impossible to come by if the drivers are worn/damaged etc.

These are a solid speaker for £200.

Hot from me, well reviewed at £700 so at £199.95 they're a good buy. Bit harsh calling Mission 'budget speakers' - after all the SX5's in this range are £2000 !

All of them?

For a little more money if you want new your can get some monitor audio bronze speakers http://m.richersounds.com/#!/product/moni-audi-bron-2-wal

That's quite a bit for some mission book shelf speakers. For far less money you can pick up a second hand pair of reference speakers like some monitor audio GR10s. Original price about 800-900 quid. Mission really are budget speakers.