Which will last about a year :man:

Miele are ok I suppose.
Until you have a problem :confused:!
Heat added :smiley:

Sales of goods act allows someone to bring a claim against a seller of goods for up to 6 years if they have a fault that is down to manufacture rather than use

Section 75 makes the credit card company jointly liable with the retailer, as you are technically buying from the credit card company and they are buying from the retailer.

Within the first 6 months, the onus is on the retailer to prove the fault is down to use rather than design or manufacturers. After 6 months, the onus is on the buyer.

With sealed drums, one could argue that it is sealed at the factory and thus it is a design or manufacturing flaw under sale of goods act, using section 75 against the credit card company

I'm guessing it's a movement in design technology. Maybe they last (much) longer before they fail? Perhaps to a point where you'd consider a new machine over repair. Almost everything these days is becoming un-economical for repair.

My mum has a LG Truesteam washing machine, good machine but the Truesteam option doesn't really do anything, it's a gimmick.

Got one in my basket and the codes still working temptation!....

Voucher FMDA40 no longer active - cannot get at this price. Mods please expire. Thank you.

Sorry only just seen the reply. I didnt make it clear weve sold our house and are living with family until we find something, Hence looking at appliances! (So much fun!....)
I want the reliability of the Miele brand but im also tempted by the LG TrueSteam options for cleaning bedding, furniture covers etc and they seem to come in around the same price.
LG offer a 5 years parts and labour warranty which from looking around I think is covered by Domestic and General, Decisions decisions!

A big difference when the machine is in a tighter awkward space.

Many Fridge Freezers allow you to swap but I guess with the safety interlocks in washing machines it's not an option

http://www.whitegoodshelp.co.uk/washing-machine-door-hinged-on-the-right/

Just found that all Miele are useless for us, hinged the wrong way. It's not clear in the photos how the door opens, it's obvious with some makes

"You're" not "your".

This isn't a sealed drum, but the Siemens probably is unless it's an old model.

I don't, wife does as used to having it. Summer time usually wants it to start say 4.30 so it can be hung out before leaving for work. That sort of thing.

I'm not sure, access to the timer switch might be awkward. Seems this Miele is quite basic when you look at the models costing 900 upwards, there are a couple of then
They give 10 year cover on

No timer delay...bah!

RustySpoons do you know if tugs is sealed drum or not and are the new siemens ones like that.

Just got a 8 year old siemens go, main board taken out by brushes wearing out it looks like, seems extreme, can they not do a brake pad warning light :wink:

It's a good machine, board is 110 or so but told night need programmed?

My BMW is 30 years old

I have an LG on a solid floor and it still moves - less so since I adjusted the feet better

On that basis a gold plated Miele for £10,000 would be a great deal because you can't get it cheaper anywhere else.

Your probably one of these types that drives an Audi or a BMW because you think they are well engineered lol.

That was one of the main reasons we went for it too.

The engineers couldn't get it to sit still and concluded it was because our kitchen floor was joist suspended over a solum, and that the machine had to sit on a solid (preferably concrete) floor.

We contacted LG who agreed and said the information should have been available - Tesco later added the info to their ad.

I thought the reason for having a direct drive was their silent and stable operation which was one of the features I was after along with some nice electronic didgeridoo/display. I remember the tv advert where they stood up a 20p coin on top of the washer whilst it was spinning.

Just in process of moving and we had a Zanussi for five years that never missed a beat, but we bought a Miele vac after going through new vacs every 12-18months because of animals and its been fantastic, backed by a 10year warranty and I'm now thinking its time to do the sa!e with the washer.

We had the LG direct drive - brilliant machine, but hopeless on suspended floor, danced right out into the middle of the kitchen.
Direct drive needs to be on solid floor only.

Sent ours back and replaced it with top of the range Which recommended Hotpoint - massive disappointment, lost count of the callouts, machine has been almost totally rebuilt with so many new parts - including new drum (Domestic and General wouldn't just replace machine).

Been doing a lot of research since then to try and find a machine that's going to do the job - and do it for a good few years; this Miele looks like the best bet around at the moment.

Yes, it's more than twice the price of a Hotpoint, and it's more than three times the price of a Beko, but I'm at the stage where I don't trust any of these makes to not give me hassle - and I can seriously do without the hassle.

Couldn't be happier. Mine was a graded model, very small dent in side (which I'm sure wasn't there when I purchased it), so bought on the cheap too :smile: Nearly upgraded to a LG direct drive model few years ago but decided why bother.....

Cannot fault my Miele washer! Great price for this. You won't be disappointed.

Voted cold, I can get 3 Beko's for that price.

​mine lasted 12 years, but don't buy one now , they've been bought out, missus got one, lasted 13 months.

I had my Bosch WFB1605 for 17+ years.
Never needed a repair.
Only got rid of it because of daily flooding in my kitchen the week before xmas. The plumbers said the water was coming from the bottom of the machine.
And that it was responsible for flooding my next door neighbour as well.
I ordered a new washer for next day delivery, and two minutes later a knock on the door and plumbers said it wasn't my machine causing it.
Decided to get a new machine because of faster spin, much quieter in operation and spin, larger capacity, more energy efficient and better choice of programmes. My new machine is a Beko. The washing comes out much cleaner and uses much less detergent even though it has a larger capacity - 7kg vs. 4.5kg.

I'm sorry should read Bosch not bosh to much xmas sherry

Just to add my experience to the discussion we have had a bosh fail(bearings) after 2 and a half years.paid around £500 and was which magazines star buy and I don't think I'm alone sorry but Bosch ain't what they used to be my previous bosh Machine was about 8 years old.i am going to be purchasing a Miele machine in the near future maybe this one thanks for the heads up heat given

Thanks for this offer was let down by John Lewis who were unable to deliver until 6th January, despite ordering 2 weeks ago. Co op delivering on Monday, no more trips to the launderette hurray!

I suppose the question is, why do sealed drums fail so soon?

hey, that's a bit harsh. they will last at least a year each so 3 years. :smiley:

Wow, glad I posted this deal now as I certainly didn't expect to get so much helpful information on machines, designs, buyers rights etc :smile:

Hopefully the info might even be of help to people who find themselves have problems with sealed drum units now - it would be great if they could be fully compensated. :smiley:

Just like to thank everyone who has pitched in and contributed to making this thread so informative - thanks a lot peeps <3

Buying through PayPal is different as it complicates the supplier customer chain with an agent in the middle. The section 75 cases where PayPal is used have generally failed.

My advice is to buy direct unless you have to use PayPal and even then ask yourself if you can buy elsewhere without PayPal if you value your section 75 right

Sales of goods act allows someone to bring a claim against a seller of goods for up to 6 years if they have a fault that is down to manufacture rather than use

Section 75 makes the credit card company jointly liable with the retailer, as you are technically buying from the credit card company and they are buying from the retailer.

Within the first 6 months, the onus is on the retailer to prove the fault is down to use rather than design or manufacturers. After 6 months, the onus is on the buyer.

With sealed drums, one could argue that it is sealed at the factory and thus it is a design or manufacturing flaw under sale of goods act, using section 75 against the credit card company

Voted the deal hot by the way

As much time as the next person, how I chose to use it is no one else's business and what you think or anyone else think's about my usage of my time is none of my business :smiley:

Educate yourself. Besides, it seems you have too much time...

How long does that take? Time = money.

The law says I can make up that something is broken and get compensated for it? Marvelous!

Hi, Where did you find this information about Bosch washers? Mine is only 26 months old and I think the bearings on mine are ready to go and I'm so mad!

You stick to your Beko's however make sure you tell your insurer. Don't ditch Miele washers if you've never owned one.

In...literally :confused::laughing:



...heat added t2h :smile:

Because it's the law. Not because Natwest is feeling generous.

Why would Natwest compensate you? I've bought just about everything on a credit card, I'm going to literally complain about everything I've bought now, I'm sure I can find faults with everything I've bought. Cashing in big time kids, this is how it's done :smiley:

Don't know much about UK law then. The Limitations Act (via Section 75) gives you up to six years after you bought a good to complain.

I just made a claim on a five year old Bosch fridge-freezer and got the full money back and consequential loss (food) on top from Natwest.

You will definitely never get 6 years cover, but good luck trying it.

Hot, I have a Miele WDA111

Section 75 of the Consumer Credit Act 1974

doesn't understand how which card offers this?

It's called planned obsolescence...

Only Standard 2 years manufacturers guarantee, same as other manufactures like Bosch should be 5 years stanrdard at this price point.

Thanks for your input, Useless57.
Hoping you're wrong about this unit being a sealed drum.

I got most of my info from here; http://www.which.co.uk/news/2015/06/are-washing-machines-built-to-fail-406177/

. . . and, in that report they write that Miele were the only brand NOT to have sealed drums (it's in the para' titled 'Why design washing machines like this?.)?

Absolutely correct. Just look at the number of Bosch machines ( all now have sealed drums ) failing just months outside their 2 year warranty ie around the 30 months mark. Bosch claim there is no problem but those in the industry know otherwise.

Typically the bearing goes and, because it's sealed, the whole drum needs to be replaced at a cost of £200+.

If this happens to Bosch machines I would imagine it's more prevelant on budget makes.

However, the good news is that, if it happens to you, you should be able to use the Sale of Goods act to get some compensation as the machine did not last as long as would be reasonably expected.

As far as I know, this Miele system has a sealed drum. The only model that currently doesnt is the WDA210 which costs around the £800 mark and was recently being sold with 10 yr guarantee.

Miele are ok I suppose.
Until you have a problem :confused:!
Heat added :smiley:

Thats good, bet they don't make them to last these days :smirk:

I'm guessing it's a movement in design technology. Maybe they last (much) longer before they fail? Perhaps to a point where you'd consider a new machine over repair. Almost everything these days is becoming un-economical for repair.

Yes, Zanussi were and still are a good make, however they've also joined the crowd in making 'sealed drum' only models, which according to market commentators, deny access to bearings and so are uneconomical to repair - some might even say they're being built to fail, and thus force people to buy new machines.

This make lasts for years and years, you get what you pay for. Heat added :innocent:

Hot,Miele is the daddy of em all,anything else total rubbish in comparison.

Brief excerpt from Which review.

We've come to expect outstanding clothes washing from Miele washing machines and that's exactly what the Best Buy WDA101 delivers. We were blown away with how well it cleans on both its cottons and synthetics settings. In the home this means that you can rest safe in the knowledge that whatever you load it with, the results will be good.