(Fixed the number for you as Skylake's graphics are all in the 500 range.)
Well, the real interesting part for this would be ones with the 580 graphics.
According to the Wikipedia:
Iris Graphics 540, GT3e – 48 execution units with 64 MB of eDRAM
Iris Graphics 550, GT3e – 48 execution units with 64 MB of eDRAM (higher clock)
Iris Pro Graphics 580, GT4e – 72 execution units with 64 or 128 MB of eDRAM https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_HD_and_Iris_Graphics#Skylake
So that's make 580 around 150% the speed of 540 or Broadwell's Iris Pro 6200. Paired with some fast RAM that should be quiet capable.
Problem is that there is no actual proper release date for that and it may only appear in a Macbook Air special or something like that. Seems Intel are still having yield issues with 14nm.
Harry_Potter
26 Dec 15#2
How does it work with no hard drive? Operating system?
Gkains to Harry_Potter
26 Dec 151#3
Well, this is slim one NUC6i3SYK so it only takes m.2 SSDs in size 2242 or 2280. The thicker one (NUC6i3SYH) takes m.2 plus a 2.5" drive.
Will handle Fifa and most other games with no sweat. All that power in such a small/quiet space...oh yes!
michaelb1967
26 Dec 15#6
There is also i7 available but little bit pricer
Gkains
26 Dec 151#7
Cool, I hadn't realised that nbc.net have actually reviewed some laptops with 540. Seems to be about the same as the Geforce 840M, but a bit behind Iris Pro 6200 (which nbc forgot to include on the same page).
copystuff
26 Dec 15#8
People seem to buy these and sell them on not long after
tempt
26 Dec 152#9
Why do they need mot?
Orcinus_orca
26 Dec 151#10
Its impressive for sure...the i5 with the 540 has TDP 15W. I'm excited, just wish they would hurry up and release it, must be next month
Harry_Potter
26 Dec 15#11
How do these compare to general retail computers? Such as Apple Macs
Orcinus_orca to Harry_Potter
26 Dec 151#12
You need to add RAM, a hard disk and an Operating system to the NUC. Compared to apple mac...it is a lot quieter, smaller, uses less power...speed is probably the same and also cheaper
Harry_Potter
26 Dec 15#13
Thank you
Noclouds
27 Dec 15#14
I wonder if for the next Mac Mini, Apple will go for Broadwell with Iris Pro 6200 graphics, rather than Skylake, or if they will start using their own custom chips. I had hoped for an NUC or Brix with Iris Pro 6200. Oh, well. Good to see the i3 Skylake models, after such a long wait. Hopefully Acer will bring out a Skylake Revo model with similar specs and better the NUC price, once the latter is kitted out with memory and storage. I too am waiting for the i5 and i7 models but feel that Intel are pricing themselves out of big sales, with the UK prices at least.
Orcinus_orca to Noclouds
27 Dec 15#17
THere is an i5 NUC out next month with Iris 540 graphics. How does it compare to Iris Pro 6200?
fishmaster to Noclouds
27 Dec 15#23
Apple put little effort in to the 2014 Mac Mini, I'm not sure they're that concerned about the range anymore. If Apple used custom CPUs then they would be ARM based which is suited to Apple TV rather than being a full blown PC running OSX, so I'd say almost definitely they will stick with Intel for any future Mac Mini.
Noclouds
27 Dec 152#15
Hot, just because I'm happy to see it finally out, seems to be the best price and I love small format PCs! *
I would love one of these if only i could find one with two intel nics as I am looking for something small to run PFSense and this would be ideal as the missus is already complaining about my two massive DIY NAS servers!
I know I can run VLans but I would rather have a hardware solution.
fishmaster to robifis
27 Dec 15#24
Interested why you need PFSense, I'm presuming it's for home use? Are you learning about networking etc?
What about games like GTA? Sims 3/4? What about video compression/remuxing? Mass archive de/compressing? 1440p output? I'm on the verge of building a new desktop but I'm only a lite gamer and do more of the above. Most of my gaming is done on console but I like the capability to try any game to be there. I'm certainly not a high-end enthusiast PC gamer, but I'd be wanting it to be my main PC. Can it?
I just bought an i5 version recently and put it together for a friend (five min job), very small and can be mounted to the back of a monitor as long as the monitor has holes for a Vesa mount, very quiet and runs pretty quick, the costs do add up when you add an OS/RAM/SSD etc but i guess it depends on whether portability etc or just having something this small matters to you, i bought Windows 7 from Amazon for £32 so not too bad.
deaglecat
27 Dec 15#26
Note HDMI 1.4b. Which is a pity for those that may wish to play 4K content at 60Hz.
sjaddy
27 Dec 151#27
To block ads/malware/pr0n
safesearch/multiple VLans/Open VPN server and client
Proxy server
Need I go on?
fishmaster
27 Dec 15#28
Overkill then.
sjaddy
27 Dec 151#29
Would prefer to be in control of my internet access rather than trust the government or ISP to block things.
And only overkill if you don't understand them! :wink:
fishmaster
27 Dec 15#30
Ads/Malware/Porn/ Ssafesearch can all be safely sorted out without PFSense. So you really need it for VLAN, VPN and Proxy support. I guess in reality this was the cheapest option for you, without going for a dedicated router such as a Draytek, I'm not a massive fan of Draytek but you can pick them up on eBay for a bargain price at times.
sjaddy
27 Dec 15#31
Actually looking at this only single NIC so not great for PFsense!
Draytek or dd-wrt can do similar but most routers not powerful enough to run all options without causing slow downs
grabme
27 Dec 15#32
Whats the fan noise like on these? Anyone had any experience with the Eggsnow fanless mini i5/i7 pc's reliability and performance wise? They seem very affordable but only outlet seems to be China. Thanks
captainbeaky to grabme
27 Dec 15#37
I have one of the latest entry level nucs and found the fan noise to be pretty annoying (high pitch whine). You have full control over the fan in the bios so you can adjust it to make it near silent but you need to keep an eye on temperatures.
I was thinking about removing the motherboard & fitting it in one of the fanless cases made by Akasa - but it's not a particularly cost effective solution.
JoeSpur
27 Dec 15#33
Why are 2 NICs needed? I'm interested in learning more about this PFSense! Could it be run off a VM on a HP Microserver or even off a Raspberry Pi 2?
M0nk3h
27 Dec 151#34
Not knocking but wouldn't a NUC be overkill for Kodi? I mean my Raspberry Pi 2 handles Kodi well.
Dusty
27 Dec 15#35
Anyone have issues with cooling on these micro PC's? Not got this model but do have a Zotac Nano and at rest it runs at 57C with a fan speed of 4100RPM :confused:
Noclouds
27 Dec 15#36
I like reading your comments and here's my thought process, which toward the end I will try to stay on topic with the Intel Skylake NUC. We are most of us agreed on the disappointments of the 2014 Mini, that Apple were clearly aiming to bring new customers to OS X by bringing out a cheaper Mini that was cheaper by being little upgradeable, that Apple's choice of low energy consuming U-series dual core CPUs seemed a distinct step back from the 2012 quad core models, albeit that in some benchmarks the 2014 model had the better graphics component. Still, Apple weren't immune to the criticism and in turn talked about Intel's roadmap and there was that flurry of speculation that Apple might adopt some future version of AMD's APUs, for improved graphics performance but, considering the performance of the iPad Pro's CPU and graphics component, what's to stop Apple forging ahead with a new CPU for entry level MacBooks and a Mac Mini or replacement? Or, they could drop the 'Mac' designation and have a Mini running IOS with additional Apple TV features.
I appreciate the differences between IOS and OS X and I am interested to see what development of ARM and AAPL bring but meantime the A9X CPU in the iPad Pro shows what Apple are capable of and, given Apple's secrecy, I don't know how near they are to a replacement to Intel chips in their entry level MacBook and Mac Mini, if they plan to go that route. Though in CPU terms it's no power house, the A9X is no slouch, either. As far as I can see, and granted the tests aren't particularly helpful in that they were done running IOS rather a modified kernel and kext drivers version of OS X, but, under IOS at least, it beats out the Intel Core M processor, not necessarily a huge claim to fame but that Apple are using the Core M in the recent 12-inch MacBook. The A9X does well even against the Core i5 processor used in the baseline Macbook Air, not that that's saying much, being that the MacBook Air uses an ultrabook U-series CPU. The A9X, and again I appreciate it's running IOS, not a modified tester OS X, outperforms Apple laptops that use integrated Intel graphics, with four times improvement (in frame rate) compared to the 12-inch MacBook with Retina display. The A9X, in some benchmarks, is an improvement of of up to 40 percent over the Intel Iris 5200 integrated graphics featured on the 15-inch MacBook Pro.
If Apple stick with Intel for entry-level MacBooks and a Mac Mini, and getting back to the new Skylake NUCs, it interested me that for the new 21" iMac, Apple went with Broadwell rather than Skylake, presumably specifically for the older CPU's fairly powerful Iris Pro 6200 graphics. I hope/hoped they would bring the same to a new Mac Mini model, albeit it would need semi-noisy cooling, to attract people away from the NUC and Brix range with their lesser performing Skylake graphics parts. It has been a frustratingly long wait for NUC Skylake boxes, the wait for a new a new Mac Mini, even more so!
sjaddy
27 Dec 15#38
You want two nics because you want to keep the LAN and WAN links separate. So the link from your internet router (dsl or cable) goes into one NIC and internal network connects to other NIC.
Lots of jetway boxes have multiple NICs.
Yes a vmware with multiple NICs would work just as well.
Microserver with multiple NICs probably overkill. Also make sure NICs are Intel gigabit because the cheaper realtek can't cope with the throughout
JoeSpur
27 Dec 15#39
HP Gen8 has 3 NIC ports. I already use it for other stuff which is why I was thinking VM.
robifis
27 Dec 15#40
"Need" is the wrong word here - Want is more the word I would use (though I do want to be in control of my own internet settings/security). Having said all that I am on the road a lot and would like access to my files/movies (I do a lot of video editing - this would save me from having to lug around external drives).
I
fishmaster
27 Dec 152#41
Thanks, I even read my comments and virtually everyone of them is edited, I'm not always right but I bring about discussion where applicable. Also mostly in 2015 I've strayed away from some of my more surreal comments, maybe they'll return in 2016 :smiley:
I bought a 2014 Mac Mini against the advice of just about every review, however I chose an i5 with 8GB RAM, I'm unlikely to want to upgrade it and I wanted the blade pci-e SSD speed, it boots in about 10 seconds and there will be plenty of longevity in it, in terms of OSX upgrades, judging by previous Apple support of old hardware. Sadly I haven't used it much since I got it in February, I'm the kind of person that's in to a 100 things at once and straight on to the next thing. I guess I haven't got my £600+ out of it yet :neutral_face:
I've added the word Banana to this comment in lieu of 2016. Happy New year.
shaunp
27 Dec 15#42
Would this run Windows 10 quickly?
Good for MS Office? Or would it cause frustration due to slowness when trying to multitask?
Could I play some games on this well?
Are there any video reviews?
Orcinus_orca to shaunp
27 Dec 15#43
Yes, Windows and Office would fly.
Games - not really, it will handle basic games but not Fifa or games like that
shaunp
27 Dec 15#44
What about the likes of Sim City or The Sims? Thinking of putting this into the back of a monitor (with the VESA mount).
Orcinus_orca
27 Dec 15#45
It has the i3 6100U processor which has the "HD Graphics 520"
If you scroll down, it gives the benchmarks for Sims 4. It confirms it will run easily at Low/Medium settings but not high settings
aceuk
27 Dec 15#46
Apple aren't going to be making Mac minis running iOS any time soon. OS X-based Macs always have Intel CPUs.
Based on the MacRumors Buyer's Guide we could see an updated Mac mini any time within the next year. I reckon Apple will release Skylake Mac minis with DDR3L RAM (similar to the new iMacs).
Noclouds
28 Dec 15#47
No, the ancient Mac Minis that I have running OS X Leopard use Motorola 32-bit PowerPC CPUs, not Intel, there have been three iterations of OS X running on Motorola PowerPC Macs, OS X 10.3.7 Panther, OS X 10.4.2 Tiger and OS X 10.5.8 Leopard, and just as they moved to Intel there is no hard and fast rule to say they won't move again, just as we have heard discussions about moving to AMD that may just have been posturing and leverage applied to Intel.
As you know, the Apple rumour sites quite often get it wrong, just as I might be wrong in my speculations. For instance, on the subject of Intel's offerings, it was widely anticipated that Apple would use a Skylake CPU in the new 21" iMac but instead they went with Broadwell for the integrated Iris Pro 6200, which I hope they will do also with the next Mac Mini, though I suspect that wouldn't be as quiet running as a Skylake CPU with perhaps, unfortunately, inferior graphics compared to the Broadwell generation part. I wouldn't put it past Apple to come out with a Mac Mini a year from now with a new Apple CPU, or perhaps by then AMD will be more bang for your buck competitive with a lower TDP. I don't know. I do know there was some surprise that Apple didn't bring out a new Mac Mini on several dates that the rumour sites were anticipating, that have unfortunately come and gone.
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Well, the real interesting part for this would be ones with the 580 graphics.
According to the Wikipedia:
Iris Graphics 540, GT3e – 48 execution units with 64 MB of eDRAM
Iris Graphics 550, GT3e – 48 execution units with 64 MB of eDRAM (higher clock)
Iris Pro Graphics 580, GT4e – 72 execution units with 64 or 128 MB of eDRAM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_HD_and_Iris_Graphics#Skylake
So that's make 580 around 150% the speed of 540 or Broadwell's Iris Pro 6200. Paired with some fast RAM that should be quiet capable.
Problem is that there is no actual proper release date for that and it may only appear in a Macbook Air special or something like that. Seems Intel are still having yield issues with 14nm.
Details taken from Intel's brochure:
http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/nuc/nuc-kit-nuc6i3syh-nuc6i3syk-brief.html
Intel list this as only having Intel HD 520 not 540 which makes sense since the page for i3 6100U says 520 too:
http://ark.intel.com/products/88180
Intel HD520 is a slower version HD530 (same config but runs slower) in the desktop Skylakes i5s.
I will be keeping an eye on these prices. :smiley: have some heat OP.
http://www.intel.co.uk/content/www/uk/en/nuc/nuc-kit-nuc6i5syh.html
i5 6260U...with Iris 540
http://www.notebookcheck.net/Intel-Iris-Graphics-540.149939.0.html
Will handle Fifa and most other games with no sweat. All that power in such a small/quiet space...oh yes!
http://www.kikatek.com/P701956/BOXNUC6I3SYH-Intel-NUC6I3SYH-Next-Unit-of
8GB Kingston DDR4 SODIMMS for £31.55:
http://www.kikatek.com/P674570/CT8G4SFD8213-Crucial-8GB-Memory-Module-PC4
I know I can run VLans but I would rather have a hardware solution.
http://www.notebookcheck.net/Intel-Iris-Graphics-540.149939.0.html
safesearch/multiple VLans/Open VPN server and client
Proxy server
Need I go on?
And only overkill if you don't understand them! :wink:
Draytek or dd-wrt can do similar but most routers not powerful enough to run all options without causing slow downs
I was thinking about removing the motherboard & fitting it in one of the fanless cases made by Akasa - but it's not a particularly cost effective solution.
I appreciate the differences between IOS and OS X and I am interested to see what development of ARM and AAPL bring but meantime the A9X CPU in the iPad Pro shows what Apple are capable of and, given Apple's secrecy, I don't know how near they are to a replacement to Intel chips in their entry level MacBook and Mac Mini, if they plan to go that route. Though in CPU terms it's no power house, the A9X is no slouch, either. As far as I can see, and granted the tests aren't particularly helpful in that they were done running IOS rather a modified kernel and kext drivers version of OS X, but, under IOS at least, it beats out the Intel Core M processor, not necessarily a huge claim to fame but that Apple are using the Core M in the recent 12-inch MacBook. The A9X does well even against the Core i5 processor used in the baseline Macbook Air, not that that's saying much, being that the MacBook Air uses an ultrabook U-series CPU. The A9X, and again I appreciate it's running IOS, not a modified tester OS X, outperforms Apple laptops that use integrated Intel graphics, with four times improvement (in frame rate) compared to the 12-inch MacBook with Retina display. The A9X, in some benchmarks, is an improvement of of up to 40 percent over the Intel Iris 5200 integrated graphics featured on the 15-inch MacBook Pro.
If Apple stick with Intel for entry-level MacBooks and a Mac Mini, and getting back to the new Skylake NUCs, it interested me that for the new 21" iMac, Apple went with Broadwell rather than Skylake, presumably specifically for the older CPU's fairly powerful Iris Pro 6200 graphics. I hope/hoped they would bring the same to a new Mac Mini model, albeit it would need semi-noisy cooling, to attract people away from the NUC and Brix range with their lesser performing Skylake graphics parts. It has been a frustratingly long wait for NUC Skylake boxes, the wait for a new a new Mac Mini, even more so!
Lots of jetway boxes have multiple NICs.
Yes a vmware with multiple NICs would work just as well.
Microserver with multiple NICs probably overkill. Also make sure NICs are Intel gigabit because the cheaper realtek can't cope with the throughout
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I bought a 2014 Mac Mini against the advice of just about every review, however I chose an i5 with 8GB RAM, I'm unlikely to want to upgrade it and I wanted the blade pci-e SSD speed, it boots in about 10 seconds and there will be plenty of longevity in it, in terms of OSX upgrades, judging by previous Apple support of old hardware. Sadly I haven't used it much since I got it in February, I'm the kind of person that's in to a 100 things at once and straight on to the next thing. I guess I haven't got my £600+ out of it yet :neutral_face:
I've added the word Banana to this comment in lieu of 2016. Happy New year.
Good for MS Office? Or would it cause frustration due to slowness when trying to multitask?
Could I play some games on this well?
Are there any video reviews?
Games - not really, it will handle basic games but not Fifa or games like that
http://www.notebookcheck.net/Intel-HD-Graphics-520.149940.0.html
If you scroll down, it gives the benchmarks for Sims 4. It confirms it will run easily at Low/Medium settings but not high settings
Based on the MacRumors Buyer's Guide we could see an updated Mac mini any time within the next year. I reckon Apple will release Skylake Mac minis with DDR3L RAM (similar to the new iMacs).
As you know, the Apple rumour sites quite often get it wrong, just as I might be wrong in my speculations. For instance, on the subject of Intel's offerings, it was widely anticipated that Apple would use a Skylake CPU in the new 21" iMac but instead they went with Broadwell for the integrated Iris Pro 6200, which I hope they will do also with the next Mac Mini, though I suspect that wouldn't be as quiet running as a Skylake CPU with perhaps, unfortunately, inferior graphics compared to the Broadwell generation part. I wouldn't put it past Apple to come out with a Mac Mini a year from now with a new Apple CPU, or perhaps by then AMD will be more bang for your buck competitive with a lower TDP. I don't know. I do know there was some surprise that Apple didn't bring out a new Mac Mini on several dates that the rumour sites were anticipating, that have unfortunately come and gone.
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