Think this is a brilliant idea and going to a great cause (Also no insertion fees until 31st Dec)
Wonder how many lynx Africa sets are on ebay.
The Christmas Confidential project allows gifts which have been sold on eBay to be shipped directly to buyers through Argos stores.
For every gift that arrives at the eBay drop-off points at two Argos stores, eBay will donate £10 to Macmillan.
The initiative will run from the outlets in Old Street, London, and Liverpool One Shopping Centre (Unsure if other stores)
Top comments
friiza
29 Dec 1510#2
So, we can buy lots of dirt cheap items separately, pick up from one of those 2 branches, and get ebay to donate £lots to McMillan? (new cars for the execs)
DennisG to friiza
29 Dec 156#14
before smearing the charity's good name, can you expand on this comment?
is it just a lazy dig at perceived fat cat behaviour amongst charities?
do you have any understanding of third sector economics? and in particular this charity?
FYI charities cannot get managers for peanuts, otherwise they risk dangerous mismanagement and pilferage of money donated on goodwill, but often dedicated bosses will work for a lot less than they would in the open market
to have someone at the helm of a £200m+ revenue organisation for less than £200k is still unheard of in the private sector so for the responsibility and workload, it seems like the charity is getting good value from its MD
if you're going to be cynical and fling around damaging insults, please do a bit of research and back up your statements with truth
friiza
30 Dec 154#21
My cynicism is based on experience. I worked (unpaid) at a different charity. I was in board meetings and was able to see some of the accounts. The vibe I got from the board was "let's get more donations so we can find more activities that will be fun for us under the guise of helping others" like an 'awareness-raising' trip to the Caribbean that they all had to go on ffs...
(Your table shows salaries but not expenses etc.)
Your scurrilous assertion that a lower-paid manager would embezzle the funds seems to ignore that laws are in place to prevent that.
Your argument is the one that's always given for throwing donation money at overpaid bureaucrats and I don't buy it.
nascent
29 Dec 154#10
I've read both links and am struggling to fully understand.
So you sell something on ebay. get paid, and take the packaged, addressed item to argos and they'll take care of delivery?
And what if the item goes missing, is it covered? Is there tracking?
Or are you not selling getting any money for this item? Do profits go to charity?
So, we can buy lots of dirt cheap items separately, pick up from one of those 2 branches, and get ebay to donate £lots to McMillan? (new cars for the execs)
DennisG to friiza
29 Dec 156#14
before smearing the charity's good name, can you expand on this comment?
is it just a lazy dig at perceived fat cat behaviour amongst charities?
do you have any understanding of third sector economics? and in particular this charity?
FYI charities cannot get managers for peanuts, otherwise they risk dangerous mismanagement and pilferage of money donated on goodwill, but often dedicated bosses will work for a lot less than they would in the open market
to have someone at the helm of a £200m+ revenue organisation for less than £200k is still unheard of in the private sector so for the responsibility and workload, it seems like the charity is getting good value from its MD
if you're going to be cynical and fling around damaging insults, please do a bit of research and back up your statements with truth
Thoughtful
29 Dec 15#3
Ebay should have some January bargains mid month as people get around to list their unwanted presents, and those nasty credit card bills come home to roost. Add into it the fact that peoples spending power is reduced this month and it can be the time to bag a bargain !
Blue Monday (the most miserable day of the year) is the third Monday in January, this year the 21st when all the factors are supposed to come together !
Pipcola to Thoughtful
29 Dec 151#6
One of us is using a different calendar 21st is a Thursday - third Monday is 18th January..............................
Toonah
29 Dec 15#4
Not sure about the deal, is it just wanting 2 Argos stores to use? That's not gonna work for me... but free listings worked! Woohoo!
pepsibeth73
29 Dec 151#5
it should be more stores cant get to them :confused:
Thoughtful
29 Dec 15#7
Sorry, you're right! I was on December instead of January!
fweddy
29 Dec 15#8
Great idea but I would rename it 'Sock Drive' as they'll probably be inundated with them
JohnnyL
29 Dec 151#9
Yeah thing is I have been selling on ebay for years and more and more finding it difficult to sell any unwanted stuff due to the big retailers being on ebay now like Argos
nascent
29 Dec 154#10
I've read both links and am struggling to fully understand.
So you sell something on ebay. get paid, and take the packaged, addressed item to argos and they'll take care of delivery?
And what if the item goes missing, is it covered? Is there tracking?
Or are you not selling getting any money for this item? Do profits go to charity?
bones23 to nascent
29 Dec 15#12
That's my understanding.
Although I'm not sure how this is more confidential than usual?
arsenalj123
29 Dec 15#11
great idea for the macmillan support
Jamba100
29 Dec 151#13
My understanding of how this works:
Argos are now doing a 'postal service' where you can send items from one store to another.
So, sell something on eBay offering collection from Argos, take to your closest Argos to send, buyer gets a code and collects it from their Argos a few days later. It works fine and is popular for people who are never in for the postman. It costs something like £3.50 so not too bad and is tracked and has compensation.
faddy54 to Jamba100
30 Dec 15#16
I think you may be confusing two different services offered by ebay: Click & Collect where the seller posts the item to the Argos store chosen by the buyer using the courier of the seller's choice, and Ebay Drop-Off where the seller takes the item to an Argos store from where it's sent (by UK Mail) to the buyer's delivery address. This offer appears to be the latter with £10 for Macmillan added into the mix.
mehmeh
29 Dec 151#15
Noticed your unsourced table doesnt show earnings below £60k. :wink:
sparkeeh
30 Dec 15#17
Your lazy assertions contain similarly few sources. Those in glass houses... *Edit: just realised the original assertions weren't yours. My mistake*
Having a "below 60k" column would surely just include everyone else who is employed in the third sector. I don't see what else can be gleaned by such information, and is the main reason for its lack of inclusion in whichever report this was taken from.
I'm beginning to think you're just trolling to get a reaction..
kidgloves
30 Dec 15#18
Thought it was elves at christmas
tallpete33
30 Dec 15#19
Not really a deal as sellers don't gain anything (you still have to pay for delivery) but if it makes dosh for charity then all well and good. Can't be bothered to do the survey to read all the blurb tbh so will take OP's word for it re this.
I tried the drop-off at my local Argos the other day and it was actually a bit dearer than RM for a medium parcel and the girl on the checkout didn't really seem to know what she was doing but the location was more convenient for me. They use UK Mail to do the delivery.
pjk
30 Dec 152#20
Even a best case scenario (i.e. taking the lowest possible amount for each pay band) that's still £4,200,000 for just that list of managers isn't it? What the nurses do is admirable, but after seeing that table I'm viewing the charity in a very different light, and I'm sad about that.
DennisG to pjk
30 Dec 151#22
They're not necessarily all managers. Some could be doctors for example. FDs don't come cheap either. They only have 8 people earning 6 figures. Compare that to the 1,230 teachers that do.
Every charity HAS to have bosses that earn a certain amount, that was my initial point. Go to any charity's accounts and you'll see the unfortunate truth consistent throughout every single one. Macmillan is in the top 10 of UK charities so size dictates greater responsibility for managers, hence the distribution.
i don't know the charity that well, i'm just going by what i've seen as a casual observer, but it does frustrate me when people think that someone could do a good job and commit long-term to a senior role at a huge charity for £26,500 a year when they could be getting ten times that in the private sector.
friiza
30 Dec 154#21
My cynicism is based on experience. I worked (unpaid) at a different charity. I was in board meetings and was able to see some of the accounts. The vibe I got from the board was "let's get more donations so we can find more activities that will be fun for us under the guise of helping others" like an 'awareness-raising' trip to the Caribbean that they all had to go on ffs...
(Your table shows salaries but not expenses etc.)
Your scurrilous assertion that a lower-paid manager would embezzle the funds seems to ignore that laws are in place to prevent that.
Your argument is the one that's always given for throwing donation money at overpaid bureaucrats and I don't buy it.
JohnnyL
30 Dec 151#23
Maybe someone who is not in it for the money Is that not what charity is about they do have lots who work for them for free after all.
Odonnell1
31 Dec 151#24
Pathetic trolls. Get life's, get jobs, do something... But ffs, just get off here. If you dont like what you're reading or aren't interested then read something else. And if you're too tight to donate to charity...deal with it, don't try to justify it. Just live with your conscience.
Opening post
Wonder how many lynx Africa sets are on ebay.
The Christmas Confidential project allows gifts which have been sold on eBay to be shipped directly to buyers through Argos stores.
For every gift that arrives at the eBay drop-off points at two Argos stores, eBay will donate £10 to Macmillan.
The initiative will run from the outlets in Old Street, London, and Liverpool One Shopping Centre (Unsure if other stores)
Top comments
is it just a lazy dig at perceived fat cat behaviour amongst charities?
do you have any understanding of third sector economics? and in particular this charity?
FYI charities cannot get managers for peanuts, otherwise they risk dangerous mismanagement and pilferage of money donated on goodwill, but often dedicated bosses will work for a lot less than they would in the open market
to have someone at the helm of a £200m+ revenue organisation for less than £200k is still unheard of in the private sector so for the responsibility and workload, it seems like the charity is getting good value from its MD
if you're going to be cynical and fling around damaging insults, please do a bit of research and back up your statements with truth
(Your table shows salaries but not expenses etc.)
Your scurrilous assertion that a lower-paid manager would embezzle the funds seems to ignore that laws are in place to prevent that.
Your argument is the one that's always given for throwing donation money at overpaid bureaucrats and I don't buy it.
So you sell something on ebay. get paid, and take the packaged, addressed item to argos and they'll take care of delivery?
And what if the item goes missing, is it covered? Is there tracking?
Or are you not selling getting any money for this item? Do profits go to charity?
All comments (24)
is it just a lazy dig at perceived fat cat behaviour amongst charities?
do you have any understanding of third sector economics? and in particular this charity?
FYI charities cannot get managers for peanuts, otherwise they risk dangerous mismanagement and pilferage of money donated on goodwill, but often dedicated bosses will work for a lot less than they would in the open market
to have someone at the helm of a £200m+ revenue organisation for less than £200k is still unheard of in the private sector so for the responsibility and workload, it seems like the charity is getting good value from its MD
if you're going to be cynical and fling around damaging insults, please do a bit of research and back up your statements with truth
Blue Monday (the most miserable day of the year) is the third Monday in January, this year the 21st when all the factors are supposed to come together !
So you sell something on ebay. get paid, and take the packaged, addressed item to argos and they'll take care of delivery?
And what if the item goes missing, is it covered? Is there tracking?
Or are you not selling getting any money for this item? Do profits go to charity?
Although I'm not sure how this is more confidential than usual?
Argos are now doing a 'postal service' where you can send items from one store to another.
So, sell something on eBay offering collection from Argos, take to your closest Argos to send, buyer gets a code and collects it from their Argos a few days later. It works fine and is popular for people who are never in for the postman. It costs something like £3.50 so not too bad and is tracked and has compensation.
Having a "below 60k" column would surely just include everyone else who is employed in the third sector. I don't see what else can be gleaned by such information, and is the main reason for its lack of inclusion in whichever report this was taken from.
I'm beginning to think you're just trolling to get a reaction..
I tried the drop-off at my local Argos the other day and it was actually a bit dearer than RM for a medium parcel and the girl on the checkout didn't really seem to know what she was doing but the location was more convenient for me. They use UK Mail to do the delivery.
Every charity HAS to have bosses that earn a certain amount, that was my initial point. Go to any charity's accounts and you'll see the unfortunate truth consistent throughout every single one. Macmillan is in the top 10 of UK charities so size dictates greater responsibility for managers, hence the distribution.
i don't know the charity that well, i'm just going by what i've seen as a casual observer, but it does frustrate me when people think that someone could do a good job and commit long-term to a senior role at a huge charity for £26,500 a year when they could be getting ten times that in the private sector.
(Your table shows salaries but not expenses etc.)
Your scurrilous assertion that a lower-paid manager would embezzle the funds seems to ignore that laws are in place to prevent that.
Your argument is the one that's always given for throwing donation money at overpaid bureaucrats and I don't buy it.