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Top comments
neoboy to nia112001
9 Jan 1667#34
How are you planning on staying in business if you tell people not to buy Medion?
:wink:
Gkains
8 Jan 1638#2
I think the graphic card is only in this to score the checkpoint 'Dedicated Graphics?' Yes
Because while it hard to get reviews of low end graphic cards, this Intel Haswell i5-4210M has Intel HD4600 graphics built in which in a dual channel configuration is a similar speed to this Geforce 825M. One benchmark which is available for just about anything is PassMark GPU and these two graphic cards score:
GeForce 825M = 735
Intel HD 4600 = 711
So about the same performance. IMO, this laptop would be better without the Geforce and that would have the added benefit of not having to deal with yet another heat source from a company whose QA is questionable*. An added bonus is not having to deal with Nvidia's Optimus graphic switching (usually okay in Windows but way more hassle in Linux).
* Remember Nvidia's laptop GPUs killed millions of laptop back in the 65nm era because Nvidia used the wrong unleaded solder - then promptly didn't want to know when these laptops dropped like flies
nia112001
8 Jan 1620#10
I've been fixing laptops for 15 years and I wouldn't buy a medion laptop.
akbar2k7 to Paddy_o_furniture
8 Jan 166#8
I hate HP laptops overheat alot.
Latest comments (139)
Arcana
2 Feb 16#138
I ordered one last night.
Seems to be the best spec'ed laptop I could find for that money.
akbar2k7 to Arcana
2 Feb 16#139
I am on mine right now you wont regret it older more casual game run like a breeeze.
League of legends, CS:GO, Skyrim and Minecraft All perfect :smiley: Max setting 60 FPS :smiley:
Make sure u force it to use the dedicated gfix though via nvidia optimus
I didn't say you should write them off, but rather implied that they were undeserving of the description "quality" - in a similar way that OCZ was undeserving. There are plenty of apologists for corporate negligence, but you shall not find me in that crowd.
As for the severity of the threat, I am sorry you do not consider it serious, but I can assure you that man-in-the-middle attacks are not frivolous. SSL exists because your data is being transmitted over an untrusted network. Would you send your sensitive data in plain text because you trust everyone between you and your destination not to peek?
hwangeruk
26 Jan 16#135
That last sentence you used was unnecessary. You also must be young, as you've turned into personal defence of yourself, perhaps because of your overly emotive stance on Lenovo, which comes out in this post also.
You do realise you have to actually join this articles hotspot? As I say, its a vector for attack, not malware itself.
I also wouldn't want it on my machine, but that doesn't stop the Lenovo hate being a bit childish. Whether their intentions were honourable, their acts stupid from a technical perspective doesn't take away that large companies do daft things, but writing them off for something like this (when they make good hardware) seems a bit silly to me.
wyldwyvern
16 Jan 16#134
Not an IT professional, more a budget enthusiast and I put another vote for Hp, my flatmate has a nice envy 15 incher and my family have a couple of hp laptops and all seem like great value hardware.
I personally swear by Acer, but HP is just as good.
Dell are alright but I don't trust my inspiron 17 right now. It's been a bit buggy since it came back from repair. Bought a cheap aspire E15 as backup :smile:
neal
14 Jan 16#133
the keyboard has a lot of flex and the screen is very poor, this was replacing an dell xps, i should have waited and paid more for something else!
Paddy_o_furniture
13 Jan 16#132
The fact it was a desktop replacement was what interested me. However all the negative comments put me off. Thinking I should if pulled trigger ad no idea what's happening with this one at JL.
Thanks for replies.
akbar2k7
13 Jan 16#131
its not that the finish is nice, the speakers are alright nothing amazing but above average for a notebook.
Biggest issue with the laptop is that flipping it open requires two hands cause its a bit stiff and heavy, personally not a problem for me but the device is more a desktop replacement.
Paddy_o_furniture
13 Jan 16#130
It was a fugly looking machine on pics.
Speakers any good?
akbar2k7
13 Jan 16#129
Laptop came today seems to the Job for me runs cool quiet and looks less ugly in the flesh. League is running at 120fps at near maxed settings. All I really need for now. Still using my old laptop for school work right now got an exam on friday cba to transfer programs and files atm.
neal
13 Jan 16#127
opted for this then put it back in the box, unused waiting for this!
Paddy_o_furniture to neal
13 Jan 16#128
No good? Was all the negative comments that put me off.
Paddy_o_furniture
13 Jan 161#126
Opted for the HP but still not in stick. JL took delivery of 200 Monday, but they are yet to appear on line. Got a 9000 word dissertation to do on it when I do get one.
Paddy_o_furniture
8 Jan 16#7
Not sure which to go for.
The on this thread or this HP @ john lewis (back in stock Monday).
Football manager will be about the most intensive thing it does.
But if you wish to rest secure because nobody has been caught using the MitM exploit, be my guest.
hwangeruk
12 Jan 16#123
Not really. Look at the headlines "Lenovo Infect"...
It was not malware. It was a preloaded adware, that "could" have been a vector for a cert injection attack.
None proven to exist. As I say, storm in a tea cup. Should OEMs do it? Probably not, as I also stated I don't like preloads myself. But to call it malware was wrong, an infection, wrong. Typical hyperbole from news outlets.
Lenovo perhaps didn't take it seriously enough, but to be fair to them, there was (and still isn't) actual proof it was being used for nefarious purposes - even though it might have been eventually. I was just countering the Lenovo hate, which was overblown - which the Internet has a tendency to do.
princeprecious
11 Jan 16#122
none of them is my cousin but for your knowledge apple sells only a fraction of the laptops compare to what hp sells per year :smiley:
Sogaaddict
10 Jan 16#121
Fit for purpose and/or of satisfactory quality and/or as described and if the goods have been used for their intended purpose and not damaged or abused then there is an entitlement to a refund repair or replacement, the latter depending on how long the goods have been in your possession. I have used the law on expensive goods twice and achieved my intention each time. Don't be so dismissive.
fishmaster
10 Jan 16#120
I've described how it works above, they replace the motherboard as that's the easy way to fix it.
aliazizi
9 Jan 16#118
404 error with the link and can't find it on the site.
akbar2k7 to aliazizi
9 Jan 16#119
out of stock
HUNGRYHUNGRYHOMER
9 Jan 16#117
Have you ever owned a early Hp Envy
If you've ever owned an early Envy model you'll know about overheating.
yabadababoo
9 Jan 16#116
OOS now. Pity as I was just about to buy.
nia112001
8 Jan 1620#10
I've been fixing laptops for 15 years and I wouldn't buy a medion laptop.
mrrog to nia112001
8 Jan 162#12
i respect your experience, but here is the summary of a 'which' magazine survey of 11,000 members on medion laptops, of course don't know how many of them were medion owners
"Undoubtedly one of the lesser-known brands in this table, Medion scores highly in the satisfaction stakes with those who take a chance on one. We haven't reviewed many over the years, and its test scores certainly don't match the scores given by our members, but it's proven to be fairly reliable."
neoboy to nia112001
9 Jan 1667#34
How are you planning on staying in business if you tell people not to buy Medion?
Ive had 2 medion laptops, they are great value for money but i have had to get the charging port replaced 3 times on my latest one.
tapi to nia112001
9 Jan 16#77
you wouldn't buy one, but would you actively dissuade someone? You may be in a position where you buy only hp envy's... so of course wouldn't buy a low end laptop.
Just as a matter of interest, how many median laptops have you seen in those 15yrs? I'd hazard a guess that you've has to deal with more Asus or Compaq, there just aren't that many medians around.
MIDURIX to nia112001
9 Jan 162#87
In the tenth year of fixing said laptop did you not think to tell the customer it was probably beyond repair?
prettejohn to nia112001
9 Jan 16#115
out of interest, which brand would you recommend?
turbo_c
9 Jan 16#114
Poor resolution
Gollywood
9 Jan 161#40
I had a Lenovo that went wrong & I had to send it to Medion in Germany to get repaired & when they returned it it came with French paperwork!
I sold it immediately!!
Bikerdanny to Gollywood
9 Jan 16#113
Same here, my mother board was fried after one year and that was with using a laptop board/ cooler to avoid it touching upholstery
FrooGal
9 Jan 16#112
Can this play World of Tanks at max (1920x1080) :stuck_out_tongue:
bonzobanana
9 Jan 16#111
I forgot Lenovo had a majority stake in Medion but it seems they still do some outsourcing beyond Lenovo as some of the netbooks are MSI models and Medion still have to outsource many products which Lenovo don't make. Medion is a shop brand only (Aldi) in many markets supplying various AV electronics as well as computer products. Even some kitchen appliances by the look of it. Everything just seems to be generic chinese products rebranded. I don't know if Medion holds any patents etc it just looks like an importer. Again not a criticism as many large brands just badge slap nowadays anyway. Ultimately its hard to grade quality of such brands when they may source from 10s many 100s of different manufacturers in China.
clmkx
9 Jan 161#110
Link not working.
mc11
9 Jan 16#109
Seems a really good price for the specs especially with 17 inch screen. I am tempted myself but my Dell laptop still going strong after over 4 and 1/2 years. It has been well looked after though.
moosery2
9 Jan 16#103
its a really good price but for me....I paid the extra for 1080p. I can't stand 1600x900! Especially on a 17"!
TheGarage to moosery2
9 Jan 16#108
Hi. Can you tell me how much this ended up costing you? Also, could you stick the link up please? Thanks in advance.
TheGarage
9 Jan 16#107
I can't get the link to work and I can't find this laptop at this price on the website. Help me op, you're my only hope.
AlarApprentice
9 Jan 16#106
Sounds like they are a new Vegetarian..."I hate my new year's resolution, I'm going to go on HUKD where there's less Tofu...":smile:
gordo1964
9 Jan 16#105
My preference is to buy two year old Lenovo ThinkPad's and when I have time fit a SSD. The Lenovo ThinkPad's are built well and very modular so in my case I can change the optical drive for a HDD/SSD caddy. If you get one with Windows 7 it should be upgradeable to Windows 10.
Karze
9 Jan 16#104
Wow
Boogie83e
9 Jan 16#102
My 2009 18.4" Medion Akoya P6810 is still working great! (I just placed the CMOS Battery after 5-6 year:)) Now running Windows 10 Pro preview on it. :smiley: I wouldn't buy another Laptop, but I would buy another Medion. :smile:
bendlein
9 Jan 16#101
Have purchased 3 Medion laptops over the years never had the slightest problem.When its time to update just pass one on to my grandkids.Come to think of it now may be the right time to update.
mrrog
9 Jan 161#100
all the big players outsource their design to half a dozen companies in taiwan, who outsource the build to about a dozen companies in china, the sooner chinese companies start designing and building their own laptops for western consumption the better, aka smartphones and tablets, there is an unsubstantiated rumour xiaomi are doing this now
oingyboingybob
9 Jan 16#99
Cannot comment on Medion Laptops however I bought a Medion dual-core desktop eight years ago, it was fast then and it's still fast and still going strong. The only fault I've had is graphics card failure (well out of warranty) which I sorted without problem.
damadgeruk
9 Jan 16#98
Surely Medion are effectively Lenovo laptops, I know they historically outsourced though have been owned by Lenovo for years.
getknk
9 Jan 161#96
i may be the first to put this..
Great laptop.. but shame its windows !
mrrog to getknk
9 Jan 161#97
you mean its a shame you have to pay for windows surely
saeedp
9 Jan 161#28
just bought this laptop might be helpful to potential buyers. Would appreciate advice of the people who know better as well
I've got a couple of these but i3. Build quality - excellent - suitable for business environment, lots of metal.
The fact I got mine for about £135 after discounts (headline £400 at the time) also helps of course :smiley:
(Google trade up to HP on HUKD and read the threads.)
Ripperoo
9 Jan 16#94
Lenovo eh?
Unless they've come a long way since I purchased a G550 a few years back (five if I'm not mistaken), I wouldn't touch them with a bargepole.
I know the G550 was a bargain basement system @ approx £300 from Comet and to be fair, it is still running OKish, I hate using it due to the redarted touch pad, which moves the mouse cursor when you've got you wrists in the natural position during typing.
So if you are like me and type eyes down, you find you've typed a paragraph in the search box in Firefox. :laughing:.
I much prefer to use a dual-monitor PC anyway for anything productive. Laptops and tablets just don't cut it for me personally. Must be getting old.:confused:
This does seem a decent price for a budget laptop though if the 'dedicated graphics' can be swapped out for something else at a later date. Or is it integrated-dedicated graphics.
londonguy
9 Jan 16#93
old gpu not much better than a intergrated chip without the extra heat issues
neroneuk
9 Jan 16#92
also the build in comes with his own ram, I think they both got 1gb but even so the dedicated might be 2gb and more appreciated, there will be not advantage at all as it would never be used for the max output power it gives ( still too low), hardly even if it was 3 or 4 times more powerful unless people like me plays performing a lot of tests especially in game. Recently I got a gtx750 in hand with 1gb, can see that it is just about enough to play games and still stay under the 1gb vram consumption. It is 3400 passmark point vs 800+ compared to the GPU of this laptop and the dedicated is just about 700 passmark points
Gkains
9 Jan 161#91
All GPUs and especially APUs (and despite this being an AMD term, Intel HD is an APU too) are hugely bandwidth starved.
I recently ran a few benchmarks on an Elitebook 840 G1 (Haswell i5-4210U 15W CPU with Intel HD4600) and the difference between single SoDIMM and dual SoDIMM was quite pronounced:
Unigine Heaven v3.0 @1024x768: Single = 497, Dual = 613
Unigine Valley v1.0 @1024x768: Single = 516, Dual = 585
That's why something like a Thinkpad T440 and T440s (but not the T440P) was such a strange laptop: Haswell 'U' is actually slower than the Ivy Bridge 'M' in CPU performance but potentially has faster graphics. Because Lenovo only provided a single DIMM on those Thinkpads (with 4GB soldered), the graphic performance on those did not live up to its potential.
Rather suspect as their marketshare has gone down, you only see AMD in mostly cheaper laptops with poorer cooling. Remember the worst affected by the Nvidia solder issue were HP DV6000 which had really poor cooling anyway. While silicon companies may say that their parts have a operating temperature range up to 105C or whatever, a company whose cooling relies on that is probably asking for trouble.
thegamingkinginfo
9 Jan 16#83
Would this be a good upgrade to the £350 Argos deal posted 2 years ago? I bought one and am looking for a new laptop. Would this one be better than an:
i7 3632QM
Intel HD 4000
The specs of my current laptop aren't amazing but they do great.
MIDURIX to thegamingkinginfo
9 Jan 162#90
In short no.
MoneyTrain81
9 Jan 161#89
Except you aren't just guaranteed a replacement if you think it was not fit for purpose at all. You have to be able to prove that whatever fault caused it to break was always there and was always going to happen from the get-go.
Not anywhere near as simple as saying 'law says I have 6 years warranty . . . . blah blah blah' that people in retail here all the time form people who assume they know best.
neroneuk
9 Jan 162#85
not sure what sort of stupidity is by fitting a dedicated GPU which is almost of equal power with the build in GPU.
mrrog to neroneuk
9 Jan 161#88
but doesn't a dedicated gpu come with its own ram as well, which is bound to improve performance, my assumption is that direct gpu comparisons always favour integrated because it does not take this into account and its simply impractical to compare them with the variety of cpu/integrated gpu's available?
MoneyTrain81
9 Jan 161#86
The problem is your point used about Nvidia and their reliability was from absolutely bloody ages ago. 2008 from a quick Google. And that is about 45nm chips, not 65nm. If it was 65nm then surely it would have been even further back?
happenstance
9 Jan 161#69
If any laptop brakes within 6 years, I'd use my consumer rights to get it replaced as not fit for purpose.
Sogaaddict to happenstance
9 Jan 161#84
Precisely, or at least compensation. People bin things just because they go wrong when out of warranty, WRONG !!
vtec
9 Jan 16#82
your not a canine by any chance salivating at the term "meat"
:smile:
benasipro
8 Jan 161#14
Bought this before xmas and had to return it because it didnt connect to the router on wifi when running on battery...common problem apparently
bazward75 to benasipro
9 Jan 161#29
Three Xmases ago i was badly wanting a laptop for xmas and when i say badly it was worse than wanting to have a **** or drop my Y s for a dump right there and then. I was scouring all the computer mags, Gumtree, computer fairs etc. Online i found an ad for a medion laptop going for about £300, 750GB hard drive, 4GB ram. I Googled Medilon for user reviews and the reviews were bad. I had never heard of Medilon.
Since that day i have never bothered reading sales ad for unknown computer products.
I paid £600 for a dell laptop brand new that Xmas and i still have it, its in good working order. My advice would be to stay away from Medion computers
vtec to benasipro
9 Jan 16#81
3 years is about right for this sort of price
akbar2k7
8 Jan 16#1
Want to get this when student loan pops, how good in Medion quality vs lenovo. had bad experiences with HP.
I know the specs are decent but is the brand.
princeprecious to akbar2k7
9 Jan 16#61
i had a bad experience with hp too.
wonder how they are rated 1 in laptops.
antspam to akbar2k7
9 Jan 16#80
I have a Medion laptop and customer service has been variable. Came with 1 yr warranty. During that time I found their customer service helpful. Soon after the warranty expired it started smoking. Pulled it apart and the microphone cable had been chewed by the lid, shorted and almost set the whole thing on fire. Medion were not interested, wouldn't supply a replacement lead and said I'd have to pay to have it looked at. I should've pursued it really but now I won't buy another.
sodz8
9 Jan 161#52
1,600 x 900 pixels on a 17 no good
mrrog to sodz8
9 Jan 16#79
hd+ on a 17 is a slightly better ppi than hd on a 15
mrrog
9 Jan 16#78
their not, apple are
dry
9 Jan 16#76
Where didnyou get that information from? What parts are shared with Dells? It's more likely to be a generic foxconn chassis with Medion stamped on the front.
michelledavidson
9 Jan 16#75
Currently looking to replace my 5+ year old median laptop. Never had any problems with it or my other which is 3 years old. I was recommended medion by an I.T person and what people don't realise they are basically dells which some shared parts.
hurst_ray
9 Jan 16#74
I've had a Medion desktop that was ok but the specs werent reflected in performance. I've had 3 laptops, (2 replacements) and ended up getting a refund. The specs are impressive but the actual product isn't so I'd avoid
bonzobanana
9 Jan 16#72
Not a fair comparison though as Apple design their own products and then go to supplier's like foxconn and get them to manufacture. Medion is just a brand slap taking other manufacturer's goods and rebranding. Same as many shop brands like Alba, Bush etc for televisions, washing machines etc. Again I've no problem with Medion from experience but its a brand slap. My Medion laptop has two product codes, the product code Medion has given it and the actual product code of the original manufacturer.
Voted hot though seems a good deal for the spec on offer and personally I can't see much difference in quality between laptop brands. I'm writing this on a HP laptop and have used many other laptops including Acer, Lenovo, Dell, Toshiba and Samsung and don't really see much quality difference but if was sticking my neck out I'd say Samsung were the best but I think they have exited the market now.
elchery
9 Jan 161#66
I still don't get why this is so hot. There have been better options here in past few weeks that barely went above 300 degrees and then this goes smoking hot with far lower specs than the other choices... This website keeps amazing me every day.
akbar2k7 to elchery
9 Jan 161#71
show me these links,
Back up your claims.
dry
9 Jan 16#70
Don't know why OEMs are still crippling hardware with high capacity low speed conventional hard drives. Would be a significant improvement to put either an ssd or at least a hybrid drive in this.
happenstance
9 Jan 16#68
For almost double dell do an i7 quad core , decent m960 graphics and higher quality 15" screen.
Houstieboy
9 Jan 162#67
After reading your ridiculous first sentence, I think it would be wise if nobody took your advice.
goodclicks
9 Jan 16#65
All these negative comments about Medion make me reluctant to consider this but I've had very good experience with their Aldi desktop - still going more than 12 years on - and my parents' laptop and a business laptop (also Aldi) both of which must be 8 years or so old. The desktop is the best PC I've had by far, well engineered and integrated and well supported with three years of free technical support included (only software upgrade issues).
princeprecious
9 Jan 16#24
17.3" and lap top
Houstieboy to princeprecious
9 Jan 16#64
That's correct. Well observed.
chrisread2000
9 Jan 16#63
10 years ago yes ... but back then i worked in IT at a head office of of a major credit card .... 4000 staff in the office ... every compaq/ibm/lenovo desktop in the building was replaced with Dell desktops .... a year later I was talking to the hardware repair guys and they said that hardware failures in the pc's was up 30% in the Dells from when everyone had Compaqs .... Ive also had personal experience of a firmware upgrade making an HP laptop run much cooler .... only the once mind
R3DN4T10N
9 Jan 16#62
Great deal. Well done OP
michelledavidson
9 Jan 16#60
Currently looking to replace my 5+ year old median laptop. Never had any problems with it or my other which is 3 years old. I was recommended medion by an I.T person and what people don't realise they are basically dells which some shared parts.
eldridgep
9 Jan 161#59
Great spec for the price but can't comment on the brand never used them. Assume a but like Acer great value for money but god help you if it develops a fault. Again an IT professional here and in the past when Lenovo was owned by IBM their notebooks were rock solid by far and away my favourite brand. Since they were sold off I wouldn't rate them above any other brand. I do agree that buying the business brands leads to a more reliable experience than the consumer models but the issue is you won't see the same spec for price with those ranges. People in an office running word and excel don't need dedicated graphics for gaming and those that do will use higher end workstation class notebooks. Old saying in IT you never get sacked for buying HP, same goes for Dell if you do have an issue the brand will save you parts are always available and uk based engineers. For a 17" notebook which are getting rarer these days that's a great spec but it is a but of a gamble on support.
blackanchorage
9 Jan 16#58
They did kill the laptop by overheating, my son's DELL XPS had its motherboard replaced twice.
nastoc
9 Jan 16#57
decent price
fishmaster
9 Jan 161#56
They didn't kill the laptop, sorry to be a pedant here, but only the GPU was at fault, it could be reballed (proper fix) or reflowed (temporary fix) and the laptop would work again. Where I work we resurrected many of these laptops years ago, however they're not worth repairing now as time has moved on and the laptops are not worth anything of any significance.
Also this information is irrelevant now, Nvidia GPUs are stable on laptops these days, you can of course get a rogue one. However the inherent faults of the past are gone.
I work in IT refurbishment, if anything I see more Radeon GPUs fail on laptops than any Nvidia these days.
It doesn't matter what brand you buy, all laptops are made in a small number of factories in China to a supplied design spec. Medion is owned by Leveno anyway. With regards to the graphics, taking a look on notebookcheck you get up to 30% more FPS with the 825M over HD4600 graphics (54 vs 42 FPS in Dead Space 3 = ~23%; 30 vs 32 FPS in Crysis 3 = ~ 5%; 38 vs 26 FPS in Bioshock infinite = ~ 30%). Plus its a DX12 card, which should get a good boost when the DX12 games start rolling out.
Hi, I must admit I have been in the IT business for many years but not heard of a dual-channel configuration for the built-in graphics. Could you elaborate?
Thanks :smiley:
hotfool
9 Jan 16#50
In March 2011 I took a chance on an unopened Medion Akoya P6624 on eBay - 15.6", 4GB, i5, 640GB. I'm a web developer & general geek and I've used the machine every day since. It's on 24/7/365 & gets carted from home to work 5 days a week.
The only 2 issues I've had are:
1) last summer the battery efficiency dropped so it doesn't hold much charge any more. Mine's plugged in all of the time anyway so not an issue & I could replace the battery if needed
2) a couple of months ago the microphone became fussy about what angle the screen is at. Not a surprise as the lid gets opened & closed several time a day, every day
In short I've been impressed with it. I've had Dell & Novatech laptops in the past which have been OK but they also developed small issues over time, so the Medion has not only held its own against those but has actually lasted longer and proved to be far greater value for money for me.
Yabbadabbado
9 Jan 16#47
I've had many laptops over the years (im an iT professional). In my experience, Lenovo have the best keyboards and best overall build quality in every price range. My business has 18 laptops, most are lenovo and the few that aren't are poorer by far. What ive learned over the years is that, typically, a £350 lenovo will beat the socks off a £350 hp or dell. Same as you go upwards...
saintagnes to Yabbadabbado
9 Jan 161#49
My point is this. I also am an IT professional. My company also has a lot of laptops. I swear by HP business laptops. By contrast the Lenovo consumer laptop we have is poor. For every person who swears by Lenovo another will swear by HP. The only real sense I have seen on these forums is that business end laptops generally are better reliability wise regardless of manufacturer. Hence my advice these days is go for business end rather than aimed as the consumer end of the market. Usually less bloatware and easier to swap in an SSD. Not trying to diss anyone here or a specific manufacturer.
Sogaaddict
9 Jan 16#48
It says an old laptop can be used as part exchange, however the link is broken.
dvdphile
9 Jan 161#44
I once bought a Medion laptop about 10 years ago I think? It was about a grand at the time and had a very good spec for the time! It was actually from toysrus believe it or not!
It used to get pretty hot due to them using a desktop pentium processor! Having said all that I still have it in my loft and it still works!
I think this current deal is very tempting! It's a good spec for very little money and looks very well made too. Not many other companies give 2 year warranty and 14 day change your mind policy? Life's too short. Give it a chance! :wink:
captainbeaky to dvdphile
9 Jan 164#46
I've still got a Pentium 4 Medion too. I use it as a fan heater these days.
saintagnes
9 Jan 163#45
if you want reliability and build quality, rather than recommend a specific manufacturer, I would say go for a business range laptop. e.g HP probook not HP Pavilion, Lenovo Thinkpad not consumer Lenovo. Build quality better and designed to be opened and repaired.
bapudharshan
9 Jan 16#43
17.3 inch...hmmm u can carry a desktop...350 pounds on a not great brand is putting your money at your own risk. I own a lenovo for past 2.5 years and no problem whatsoever
bogglesmith2
9 Jan 16#42
They were indifferent more than they were stupid, bungling or deceptive - "we do not find any evidence to substantiate security concerns".
It was not a storm in a tea cup, and that no-one was actually compromised is only by virtue of the fact that honest researchers were the ones to discover this exploit. It's rather like saying that a defused bomb posed no danger.
pet2000
8 Jan 164#22
Unless you buy from Aldi with a 3-years on-site warranty, I'd stay away from Medion. There service centre is in Germany and any repair will take 3 to 4 weeks (if you're lucky). I had personal experience dealing with them. Just Awful.
Picard123 to pet2000
9 Jan 161#26
Build quality and reliability on these is awful.
leeparsons to pet2000
9 Jan 16#41
I have also had medions in the past, all from aldi. The last one I purchased was doa. It took 4-6 weeks to get it fixed, which was again doa. Took a further 6 weeks to get my money, refund by aldi, Between the two, they have not got a clue.
hwangeruk
9 Jan 16#39
There was lots of overblown articles on the Internet, but Lenovo were more stupid and bungling, then deceptive and not giving a damn. It wasn't done for money (so they say, and that's probably right), it wasn't really malware, it wasn't much of a security risk (more theoretical than actual). Storm in a tea cup. But no one likes bloatware/pre loads.
hwangeruk
9 Jan 161#38
Even Apple is "assembled in China" :smiley:
The days of "where" something is assembled and judging its quality on that, is a thing of the past (mostly)
We used to a have a Medion, was a very fine PC.
hwangeruk
9 Jan 16#37
That's a broad statement.
JoeyWales
9 Jan 161#33
Would not touch them
HP for the win.
bonzobanana to JoeyWales
9 Jan 16#36
Medion is just a brand it has no laptop factories they just buy from chinese or taiwanese manufacturers. I actually have an older athlon medion laptop and it has the sticker on the top and underneath it state's something like hangpu precision or something like that. Pretty much true of many laptops though with HP and Dell I think also outsourced to china. Some brands will do a cosmetic reskin and some just take the design the Chinese factory has come up with.
Personally I've been happy with Medion products I've bought but they are just a brand slap.
bogglesmith2
9 Jan 16#35
This would be the same Lenovo that shipped the Superfish exploit and didn't give a damn, yes?
HaggisHunter
9 Jan 161#32
Sounds like they haven't improved from their desktop days 12/13 years ago.
Was easier self diagnosing and telling them what bit was broke, to get it sent to you back then.
Were cheap and great specs, but heat management was a major issue back then, since they couldn't figure out how to keep the specs they put in them cool.
Free upgrades on graphics cards etc since they ran out of components due to number of returns, was nice though lol.
bazward75
9 Jan 161#31
hmm so much for German engineering... vor sprung........
LocoMoFo9999
9 Jan 163#30
Medion awful crap. Never again will I give them clowns money.
DweebDude
9 Jan 16#27
HAWT
Picard123
9 Jan 161#25
Medion really do make terrible quality laptops. And 3kg?? That's like a concrete paving slab.
Avoid.
EdCov
8 Jan 16#21
I have a Medion with dedicated graphics and i3 bought in the last few months.
MEDION AKOYA P6653 Laptop (MD99024)
Plays Cities in Motion which one without dedicated graphics would not, some games just demand dedicated graphics.
The built in speakers are appallingly tinny, using it for Duo Lingo and they are painfully bad.
vulcanproject to EdCov
8 Jan 16#23
Oh yes that also reminds me before the power port failed the left hand speaker on my Erazer became crackly and had a poor connection that you had to tap to get to work properly. The Erazer series being the supposedly premium models....
ljshooter
8 Jan 16#17
Isn't 6gb ram not an unusual amount? Assuming this is like a 4gb and 2gb stick which I always thought was not how you get the meat out of memory as matching paid is better?
brilly to ljshooter
8 Jan 162#20
mmmm memories of meat...
ljshooter
8 Jan 161#19
Isn't 6gb ram not an unusual amount? Assuming this is like a 4gb and 2gb stick which I always thought was not how you get the meat out of memory as matching paid is better? (I do realise that may be a very dated understanding)
Paddy_o_furniture
8 Jan 16#18
Think I'll go with the HP. Never had bother with them in the past believe it or not.
vulcanproject
8 Jan 162#15
The gaming medion I owned broke after extremely light use when the power port on the motherboard failed and could not be easily repaired so was basically scrap. A couple years old, with almost certainly less than a thousand hours on the clock. I'll be avoiding in future.
wackojacko18 to vulcanproject
8 Jan 162#16
I had the exact same issue.
It was still under warranty but Medion blamed it on me and refused to fix under warranty.
Vowed I would never touch another Medion again no matter how good the specs.
shyamganatra
8 Jan 16#13
I used to own a Medion laptop about 3 years ago, and its motherboard failed, I personally would avoid the brand.
nw104hh
8 Jan 165#9
3DMark11 P GPU:
Intel HD 4600 = 910.5
GeForce 825m = 1756.5
GeForce 840m = 2338
Out of 662 graphic cards in laptops Intel4600 is 310th, 825m is 176th and 840m is 156th.
Gkains
8 Jan 162#6
My argument is that dedicated graphics performs the same or similar as the build in Intel HD4600. So not worth paying extra for no actual extra performance, especially since dedicated graphics means worse reliability.
About the only reason might be drivers as Intel are know for stable drivers but seldom do game updates.
As for reliability, I was talking about Nvidia not Medion. I would consider Lenovo consumer (thinkpad are totally different story) to be somewhat worse than Medion.
mrrog
8 Jan 162#5
Median has a good rep amongst users, 'which' mag survey, I have had two for my teenage kids and both have lasted better than four years no trouble, I think median give 2 years warrenty, and a further tenner of first purchase if you subscribe to newsletter, pretty sure they once did this model with fhd panel so should be able to upgrade for about £50 - £60, so you could end up with good CPU and fhd screen for just over £400, that's a good deal
awoodhall2003
8 Jan 163#4
I do agree but the 825m has more 'tech' in it, so i.e. for basic, low res gaming this will be better as real life performance will be slightly better. However, if you want a dedicated GPU at least a 840m on something like this would actually make a dent of a difference.
Which using your comparison:
GeForce 825m = 735
Intel HD 4600 = 711
GeForce 840m = 843
akbar2k7
8 Jan 16#3
I agreee dedicated graphics on laptops are liabilities but this is 17inch more like a desktop replacement.
and is Medion a bad company surely its equal to lenovo in quality?
Gkains
8 Jan 1638#2
I think the graphic card is only in this to score the checkpoint 'Dedicated Graphics?' Yes
Because while it hard to get reviews of low end graphic cards, this Intel Haswell i5-4210M has Intel HD4600 graphics built in which in a dual channel configuration is a similar speed to this Geforce 825M. One benchmark which is available for just about anything is PassMark GPU and these two graphic cards score:
GeForce 825M = 735
Intel HD 4600 = 711
So about the same performance. IMO, this laptop would be better without the Geforce and that would have the added benefit of not having to deal with yet another heat source from a company whose QA is questionable*. An added bonus is not having to deal with Nvidia's Optimus graphic switching (usually okay in Windows but way more hassle in Linux).
* Remember Nvidia's laptop GPUs killed millions of laptop back in the 65nm era because Nvidia used the wrong unleaded solder - then promptly didn't want to know when these laptops dropped like flies
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Because while it hard to get reviews of low end graphic cards, this Intel Haswell i5-4210M has Intel HD4600 graphics built in which in a dual channel configuration is a similar speed to this Geforce 825M. One benchmark which is available for just about anything is PassMark GPU and these two graphic cards score:
GeForce 825M = 735
Intel HD 4600 = 711
So about the same performance. IMO, this laptop would be better without the Geforce and that would have the added benefit of not having to deal with yet another heat source from a company whose QA is questionable*. An added bonus is not having to deal with Nvidia's Optimus graphic switching (usually okay in Windows but way more hassle in Linux).
* Remember Nvidia's laptop GPUs killed millions of laptop back in the 65nm era because Nvidia used the wrong unleaded solder - then promptly didn't want to know when these laptops dropped like flies
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Seems to be the best spec'ed laptop I could find for that money.
League of legends, CS:GO, Skyrim and Minecraft All perfect :smiley: Max setting 60 FPS :smiley:
Make sure u force it to use the dedicated gfix though via nvidia optimus
As for the severity of the threat, I am sorry you do not consider it serious, but I can assure you that man-in-the-middle attacks are not frivolous. SSL exists because your data is being transmitted over an untrusted network. Would you send your sensitive data in plain text because you trust everyone between you and your destination not to peek?
You do realise you have to actually join this articles hotspot? As I say, its a vector for attack, not malware itself.
I also wouldn't want it on my machine, but that doesn't stop the Lenovo hate being a bit childish. Whether their intentions were honourable, their acts stupid from a technical perspective doesn't take away that large companies do daft things, but writing them off for something like this (when they make good hardware) seems a bit silly to me.
I personally swear by Acer, but HP is just as good.
Dell are alright but I don't trust my inspiron 17 right now. It's been a bit buggy since it came back from repair. Bought a cheap aspire E15 as backup :smile:
Thanks for replies.
Biggest issue with the laptop is that flipping it open requires two hands cause its a bit stiff and heavy, personally not a problem for me but the device is more a desktop replacement.
Speakers any good?
The on this thread or this HP @ john lewis (back in stock Monday).
Football manager will be about the most intensive thing it does.
http://www.johnlewis.com/hp-15-ac126na-laptop-intel-core-i5-8gb-ram-1tb-15-6-turbo-silver/p2269774?s_afcid=af_47868&awc=1203_1452291809_b7ef3e7d3cc49bb8cafba7f006f054eb
But if you wish to rest secure because nobody has been caught using the MitM exploit, be my guest.
It was not malware. It was a preloaded adware, that "could" have been a vector for a cert injection attack.
None proven to exist. As I say, storm in a tea cup. Should OEMs do it? Probably not, as I also stated I don't like preloads myself. But to call it malware was wrong, an infection, wrong. Typical hyperbole from news outlets.
Lenovo perhaps didn't take it seriously enough, but to be fair to them, there was (and still isn't) actual proof it was being used for nefarious purposes - even though it might have been eventually. I was just countering the Lenovo hate, which was overblown - which the Internet has a tendency to do.
If you've ever owned an early Envy model you'll know about overheating.
"Undoubtedly one of the lesser-known brands in this table, Medion scores highly in the satisfaction stakes with those who take a chance on one. We haven't reviewed many over the years, and its test scores certainly don't match the scores given by our members, but it's proven to be fairly reliable."
:wink:
http://www.saveonlaptops.co.uk/N0Z48ESABU-HP-ProBook-450-G2_1868143.html
Just as a matter of interest, how many median laptops have you seen in those 15yrs? I'd hazard a guess that you've has to deal with more Asus or Compaq, there just aren't that many medians around.
I sold it immediately!!
Great laptop.. but shame its windows !
http://www.saveonlaptops.co.uk/N0Z48ESABU-HP-ProBook-450-G2_1868143.html
The fact I got mine for about £135 after discounts (headline £400 at the time) also helps of course :smiley:
(Google trade up to HP on HUKD and read the threads.)
Unless they've come a long way since I purchased a G550 a few years back (five if I'm not mistaken), I wouldn't touch them with a bargepole.
I know the G550 was a bargain basement system @ approx £300 from Comet and to be fair, it is still running OKish, I hate using it due to the redarted touch pad, which moves the mouse cursor when you've got you wrists in the natural position during typing.
So if you are like me and type eyes down, you find you've typed a paragraph in the search box in Firefox. :laughing:.
I much prefer to use a dual-monitor PC anyway for anything productive. Laptops and tablets just don't cut it for me personally. Must be getting old.:confused:
This does seem a decent price for a budget laptop though if the 'dedicated graphics' can be swapped out for something else at a later date. Or is it integrated-dedicated graphics.
I recently ran a few benchmarks on an Elitebook 840 G1 (Haswell i5-4210U 15W CPU with Intel HD4600) and the difference between single SoDIMM and dual SoDIMM was quite pronounced:
Unigine Heaven v3.0 @1024x768: Single = 497, Dual = 613
Unigine Valley v1.0 @1024x768: Single = 516, Dual = 585
That's why something like a Thinkpad T440 and T440s (but not the T440P) was such a strange laptop: Haswell 'U' is actually slower than the Ivy Bridge 'M' in CPU performance but potentially has faster graphics. Because Lenovo only provided a single DIMM on those Thinkpads (with 4GB soldered), the graphic performance on those did not live up to its potential.
Anyway, not many benchmarks out looking at dual vs single with integrated graphics, but here is one:
http://www.ultrabookgaming.com/hardware/dual-channel-vs-single-channel-memory/
The got around 38% extra with single vs dual.
Here's another where they test more things but it's a video (results towards the end):
http://1080.plus/QMCvvtaZ5Z0.video
Rather suspect as their marketshare has gone down, you only see AMD in mostly cheaper laptops with poorer cooling. Remember the worst affected by the Nvidia solder issue were HP DV6000 which had really poor cooling anyway. While silicon companies may say that their parts have a operating temperature range up to 105C or whatever, a company whose cooling relies on that is probably asking for trouble.
i7 3632QM
Intel HD 4000
The specs of my current laptop aren't amazing but they do great.
Not anywhere near as simple as saying 'law says I have 6 years warranty . . . . blah blah blah' that people in retail here all the time form people who assume they know best.
:smile:
Since that day i have never bothered reading sales ad for unknown computer products.
I paid £600 for a dell laptop brand new that Xmas and i still have it, its in good working order. My advice would be to stay away from Medion computers
I know the specs are decent but is the brand.
wonder how they are rated 1 in laptops.
Voted hot though seems a good deal for the spec on offer and personally I can't see much difference in quality between laptop brands. I'm writing this on a HP laptop and have used many other laptops including Acer, Lenovo, Dell, Toshiba and Samsung and don't really see much quality difference but if was sticking my neck out I'd say Samsung were the best but I think they have exited the market now.
Back up your claims.
Also this information is irrelevant now, Nvidia GPUs are stable on laptops these days, you can of course get a rogue one. However the inherent faults of the past are gone.
I work in IT refurbishment, if anything I see more Radeon GPUs fail on laptops than any Nvidia these days.
https://uk.webuy.com/product.php?sku=SLAPDELE724089A#.VpDcrclFCBY
http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2014/08/24/how-your-laptop-is-made-in-china/
http://www.trustedreviews.com/opinions/who-made-your-laptop-and-should-you-care
http://www.notebookcheck.net/Review-Intel-HD-Graphics-4600.93188.0.html
http://www.notebookcheck.net/NVIDIA-GeForce-825M.110063.0.html
Thanks :smiley:
The only 2 issues I've had are:
1) last summer the battery efficiency dropped so it doesn't hold much charge any more. Mine's plugged in all of the time anyway so not an issue & I could replace the battery if needed
2) a couple of months ago the microphone became fussy about what angle the screen is at. Not a surprise as the lid gets opened & closed several time a day, every day
In short I've been impressed with it. I've had Dell & Novatech laptops in the past which have been OK but they also developed small issues over time, so the Medion has not only held its own against those but has actually lasted longer and proved to be far greater value for money for me.
It used to get pretty hot due to them using a desktop pentium processor! Having said all that I still have it in my loft and it still works!
I think this current deal is very tempting! It's a good spec for very little money and looks very well made too. Not many other companies give 2 year warranty and 14 day change your mind policy? Life's too short. Give it a chance! :wink:
It was not a storm in a tea cup, and that no-one was actually compromised is only by virtue of the fact that honest researchers were the ones to discover this exploit. It's rather like saying that a defused bomb posed no danger.
The days of "where" something is assembled and judging its quality on that, is a thing of the past (mostly)
We used to a have a Medion, was a very fine PC.
HP for the win.
Personally I've been happy with Medion products I've bought but they are just a brand slap.
Was easier self diagnosing and telling them what bit was broke, to get it sent to you back then.
Were cheap and great specs, but heat management was a major issue back then, since they couldn't figure out how to keep the specs they put in them cool.
Free upgrades on graphics cards etc since they ran out of components due to number of returns, was nice though lol.
Avoid.
MEDION AKOYA P6653 Laptop (MD99024)
Plays Cities in Motion which one without dedicated graphics would not, some games just demand dedicated graphics.
The built in speakers are appallingly tinny, using it for Duo Lingo and they are painfully bad.
It was still under warranty but Medion blamed it on me and refused to fix under warranty.
Vowed I would never touch another Medion again no matter how good the specs.
Intel HD 4600 = 910.5
GeForce 825m = 1756.5
GeForce 840m = 2338
3DMark Cloud Gate GPU:
Intel HD 4600 = 5613
GeForce 825m = 7416
GeForce 840m = 8723.5
3DMark06:
Intel HD 4600 = 7362
GeForce 825m = 9290
GeForce 840m = 10332
Out of 662 graphic cards in laptops Intel4600 is 310th, 825m is 176th and 840m is 156th.
About the only reason might be drivers as Intel are know for stable drivers but seldom do game updates.
As for reliability, I was talking about Nvidia not Medion. I would consider Lenovo consumer (thinkpad are totally different story) to be somewhat worse than Medion.
Which using your comparison:
GeForce 825m = 735
Intel HD 4600 = 711
GeForce 840m = 843
and is Medion a bad company surely its equal to lenovo in quality?
Because while it hard to get reviews of low end graphic cards, this Intel Haswell i5-4210M has Intel HD4600 graphics built in which in a dual channel configuration is a similar speed to this Geforce 825M. One benchmark which is available for just about anything is PassMark GPU and these two graphic cards score:
GeForce 825M = 735
Intel HD 4600 = 711
So about the same performance. IMO, this laptop would be better without the Geforce and that would have the added benefit of not having to deal with yet another heat source from a company whose QA is questionable*. An added bonus is not having to deal with Nvidia's Optimus graphic switching (usually okay in Windows but way more hassle in Linux).
* Remember Nvidia's laptop GPUs killed millions of laptop back in the 65nm era because Nvidia used the wrong unleaded solder - then promptly didn't want to know when these laptops dropped like flies