I've read that they make watches to a budget for the likes of Argos - any advice on where to buy a quality Eco-drive at a reasonable price (under £200)?
walesy
30 Dec 15#8
I've got a couple of Eco-drive watches now, great quality at full price - even better at this price!
OrribleHarry
30 Dec 15#9
Do you believe everything you read?
I've had a couple eco-drive watches they are really well made.
Biker Jeff
30 Dec 151#10
Yup, i believe they do. Some of the Eco Drives that Argos sell seem to be a cheaper quality than what Citizen usually are when i've checked them out instore. These inferior models can only be bought in Argos.
The model in this deal is a case in point.
BHOY56
30 Dec 15#11
Top deal!
AdamC28
30 Dec 15#12
Hmm been looking to buy an Eco Drive for a short while now. Comments about quality are putting me off this one now.
BHOY56 to AdamC28
30 Dec 151#14
Why don't you just pop along to your local argos and see for yourself. Had mine for the last 4 years, superb VFM.
voodooboard to AdamC28
30 Dec 15#18
It's good quality for the money. At least as good or better quality as most watches in this price range. Certainly a better watch than all the junk brands and Fossil-made fashion brands that pervade the market in this price range.
Buy it if you like it.
R3DN4T10N
30 Dec 152#13
Cold, not an Apple Watch...
Psych! ;-)
Houstieboy to R3DN4T10N
30 Dec 151#20
Watch us wreck the mic
fouad172
30 Dec 15#15
Ordered thanks
hadouken888
30 Dec 15#16
I agree. My watch 5 years ago feels very different. it's mainly to do with the materials. why do you think argos are cheaper than other shops like Ernest Jones and Goldsmiths??
ses6jwg
30 Dec 15#17
7 year old argos eco drive here still going strong
Please note that customs taxes / import duties are not included in our price. It is the buyer's responsibility to pay for any customs taxes or import duties imposed by the customs of the buyer's country.
They usually ship from Singapore
So then google HRMC to find out what the surcharges are.
I think you'll get away without any import duty, but will be hit with VAT @ 20% and then it's usually about £8 for customs clearance fee.
Biker Jeff
30 Dec 151#24
Never heard of anyone getting stung for import duties or vat from Creation....... loads of people from HUKD including myself order from them.
Theres always a chance i guess, but its extremely unlikely.
EveshamLad
30 Dec 15#25
I hear lots of things on HUKD...doesn't mean it's all true
Seen Creation talked about on lots of forums, including Watchuseek, the consensus is always that people dont get stung for taxes & vat.
If you dont believe it, then dont order from them, simple as that.
Biker Jeff
30 Dec 15#27
Not just HUKD, i've seen Creation talked about in quite a few forums..... and they have a big presence in Watchuseek forum.
The consensus is always that its highly unlikely to get stung for import taxes & vat with them.
But if you dont believe or trust all the reviews from customers of Creation, then dont order from them. Simple as that.
EveshamLad to Biker Jeff
30 Dec 15#28
So what makes customers of that that particular company exempt from HMRC taxes???
HMRC don't take any notice of the sender, only the declared value on the CN22.
But if you read it on t'internet posts, it must be true ...:man:
I prefer to trust what the company actually say themselves, as it alignes with what RM and HMRC say.
And yes, I have incurred customs fees when buying outside of the EU (over the prescribed limits); it's certainly the norm.
Alansmithee
30 Dec 15#29
Citizen do lots of sub-£100 models including this AT model - nothing as far as I am aware is made specially for Argos - its simply Argos only stock the cheapest models...
Alansmithee
30 Dec 15#30
All true - all I'll say is I've never paid additional taxes on watches bought from creation (maybe about 30).
Biker Jeff
30 Dec 15#31
They're certainly not exempt from import duties & vat, they wouldn't be seeing as they're from Singapore. But they do always seem to get through without attention from Customs. They mark the package 'measuring equipment', whether that makes a big difference i dont know.
I would certainly order from them again anyway, their prices are excellent and you can get watches that you cant get here in the UK.
EveshamLad
30 Dec 15#32
So you appear to have losts of experience. What do they write on the CN22 that evades the tax liability of the customer in this country?
Perhaps you could post an image by way of example please?
EveshamLad
30 Dec 15#33
They are not liable for any tax. The customer is!!!
Alansmithee
30 Dec 15#34
With packages I've thrown away months ago?
Off the top of my head it says something like "measuring instrument".
EveshamLad
30 Dec 15#35
and...???
Alansmithee
30 Dec 15#36
And what?
Biker Jeff
30 Dec 151#37
I meant the customer....... but you're obviously pedantically looking to argue against whatever everyone says about Creation.
So dont order from them, its no skin off my nose.
EveshamLad
30 Dec 15#38
And what else does it say? Please post an image of the packaging. I'm happy to wait for it as you obviously are buyng from them all the time if we are to believe what you post.
In the meantime I can only warn anyone considering doing likewise to allow for the 20% import VAT and £8 customs fee as I have described earlier from HMRC, RM and indeed the company website itself.
EveshamLad
30 Dec 15#39
I think you are the one that is arguing.
Arguing against the HMRC website
Arguing against the RM website
and even arguing against the company website itself!
Alansmithee
30 Dec 15#40
What part of "I don't keep the packaging" do you not get? Why would any normal person keep the packaging???? Your odd passive aggressive manner does not make for good communication.
I'll be happy to post the packaging next time I get one - which is likely to be in feb if a certain orient star hits the right price.
EveshamLad
30 Dec 15#41
How aggressive and how convenient.
However, as I said I'm happy to wait - with claims you have already bought 30 items I feel sure another will be arriving shortly won't it :smile:
Alansmithee
30 Dec 15#42
Yes in Feb - for a watch collector - 30 is a small number of watches! (although you can actually get better deals often from Japanese auction sites).
EveshamLad
30 Dec 15#43
Great, plenty of time for you to save up the 20% VAT & £8 customs clearance fee you will be required to pay :smiley:
(unless it's a real cheapie you've ordered again!)
BenderRodriguez
30 Dec 15#44
Can't beat the Nighthawks for this money if you like their style and happen to find one on sale or source from reputable seller abroad.
EveshamLad
30 Dec 15#45
Lets not beat about the bush
Creation Watches - been mentioned for the last couple of pages or so. :smiley:
Just don't forget, if you are buying from outside of the EU, to allow for import taxes and custom clearance fees.
Jasd
30 Dec 15#46
Have also had 4 watches from creation and not been hit with tax, my new one from them is arriving tommorrow and the dhl tracking mail mentions under comments "Measuring Instrument (Japan) ", they usually mark it as a low value item.
EveshamLad to Jasd
30 Dec 15#47
Oh good, please take a clear photo of the item when it arrives and post the details here (in particular the CN22)
Until it arrives (or a card), you won't know if there is anything to pay. I'm not sure what the customs fee DHL charge - might well be more than £8
The problem with falsely declaring the true value of the goods is not only an offence (by the sender), but defrauds the local country on tax due (No one likes a tax evader!) and can result in the item siezed & destroyed.
What normally happens is that HMRC actually decide the true value themself and tax you, the customer, accordingly.
I can't believe tax evasion can ever be considered a good deal.
Nor can I believe that a company committing tax evasion is considered reputable ... but anything goes on HUKD I suppose.
EveshamLad to Jasd
31 Dec 15#55
Has the DHL man delivered yet?
Or maybe he's awaiting you to pay his invoice for customs charges?
neilm22
30 Dec 15#48
Anyway back to the point of this deal... This has been at the same price in Argos for a while so not sure why this is suddenly appearing as a hot deal. Also Rotary similarly make cheaper models of their watches in China which are sold also by Argos, so Citizen are not alone in this habit. Manufactured cheaper and sold cheaper. I would suggest if you want an expensive watch perhaps Argos isn't the place for you.
scrimpersdelight to neilm22
3 Jan 16#64
errm, no. Was this price around the beginning of December but went back up to £99.99 over Christmas. Reduced again so new deal.
EveshamLad
30 Dec 15#49
Because lots of HUKD'ers are voting it HOT, HOT, HOT!
And a good old argument about having cheap watches shipped from abroad avoiding any tax liability always helps thes watch deals along nicely
Just for fun of course :smiley:
voodooboard
30 Dec 15#50
I've paid import duty/vat on every watch i've bought from Creation. Most people I know say the same.
It's fine. You factor the customs in when deciding if the watch is good value or not. Don't buy if the price+customs puts it out of your price bracket.
If you sneak through - that's your business. It's foolish to boast about it.
robwdavies
30 Dec 151#51
There really are some argumentative knob heads on this site.
mieciux
30 Dec 151#52
M8, this is enough. Is there seriously something wrong with you? If you really do not trust people just apply for a job at HMRC and then you can have a look at their CN22 forms. No one is even trying to convince you to buy from them and you just go on and on about people not knowing what they already tried and it worked for them. Some people just need to get a grip
Rickardo
31 Dec 15#53
I don't disbelieve everything, either.
billysally208
31 Dec 15#54
Well said - he has become a bit of a bore now with his trolling - can't understand why so many bite.
Jasd
31 Dec 15#56
Not as yet but according to DHL Tracking "Departed Facility in LONDON-HEATHROW - UK LONDON-HEATHROW - UK 10:50" due by end of day so let see
Jasd
31 Dec 15#57
Just arrived..no extra paid.
EveshamLad
31 Dec 15#58
Photos please
Rickardo
31 Dec 151#59
Why, oh why, oh why are you still bleating on about it? Clearly you don't agree with not paying the appropriate taxes and I applaud your personal ethics. Also, you're within your rights to not believe people are getting away with not being stung for the duty (despite plenty of suggestions on this and other fora to the contrary), but you've made that point now, so move on. I have never ordered from the likes of Creation, but have considered it and I don't need photos to persuade me either way.
RockStock
2 Jan 16#60
This has 5 years Citizen warranty; Hot
mieciux to RockStock
2 Jan 161#61
it is even better, if you register online, you get 6 years warranty
RockStock
3 Jan 16#62
Thanks mate; got one already; must register online too :smiley:
jonyo
3 Jan 16#63
I wonder how many watches Argos sell in the UK, compared to retailers world wide. My guess would be not a lot, so I for one can not see any economic logic for citizen to retool their cnc machines, which would cost an absurd amount of money, buy in cheap materials specially for Argos only watches, risk their reputation marketing substandard watches and still make a significant profit. I think its more likely Argos are just reducing their markup.
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linky worky
I've had a couple eco-drive watches they are really well made.
The model in this deal is a case in point.
Buy it if you like it.
Psych! ;-)
http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/citizen-mens-eco-drive-black-dial-chronograph-watch-79-99-argos-half-price-20-off-2313696 (7 weeks ago)
http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/citizen-mens-eco-drive-black-dial-chronograph-watch-79-99-argos-2335867 (4 weeks ago)
So this should get really HOT, HOT, HOT! now
Please note that customs taxes / import duties are not included in our price. It is the buyer's responsibility to pay for any customs taxes or import duties imposed by the customs of the buyer's country.
They usually ship from Singapore
So then google HRMC to find out what the surcharges are.
I think you'll get away without any import duty, but will be hit with VAT @ 20% and then it's usually about £8 for customs clearance fee.
Theres always a chance i guess, but its extremely unlikely.
http://www.royalmail.com/personal/help-and-support/Ive-received-a-card-asking-for-a-payment
If you dont believe it, then dont order from them, simple as that.
The consensus is always that its highly unlikely to get stung for import taxes & vat with them.
But if you dont believe or trust all the reviews from customers of Creation, then dont order from them. Simple as that.
HMRC don't take any notice of the sender, only the declared value on the CN22.
But if you read it on t'internet posts, it must be true ...:man:
I prefer to trust what the company actually say themselves, as it alignes with what RM and HMRC say.
And yes, I have incurred customs fees when buying outside of the EU (over the prescribed limits); it's certainly the norm.
I would certainly order from them again anyway, their prices are excellent and you can get watches that you cant get here in the UK.
Perhaps you could post an image by way of example please?
Off the top of my head it says something like "measuring instrument".
I meant the customer....... but you're obviously pedantically looking to argue against whatever everyone says about Creation.
So dont order from them, its no skin off my nose.
In the meantime I can only warn anyone considering doing likewise to allow for the 20% import VAT and £8 customs fee as I have described earlier from HMRC, RM and indeed the company website itself.
Arguing against the HMRC website
Arguing against the RM website
and even arguing against the company website itself!
I'll be happy to post the packaging next time I get one - which is likely to be in feb if a certain orient star hits the right price.
However, as I said I'm happy to wait - with claims you have already bought 30 items I feel sure another will be arriving shortly won't it :smile:
(unless it's a real cheapie you've ordered again!)
Creation Watches - been mentioned for the last couple of pages or so. :smiley:
Just don't forget, if you are buying from outside of the EU, to allow for import taxes and custom clearance fees.
Until it arrives (or a card), you won't know if there is anything to pay. I'm not sure what the customs fee DHL charge - might well be more than £8
The problem with falsely declaring the true value of the goods is not only an offence (by the sender), but defrauds the local country on tax due (No one likes a tax evader!) and can result in the item siezed & destroyed.
What normally happens is that HMRC actually decide the true value themself and tax you, the customer, accordingly.
I can't believe tax evasion can ever be considered a good deal.
Nor can I believe that a company committing tax evasion is considered reputable ... but anything goes on HUKD I suppose.
Or maybe he's awaiting you to pay his invoice for customs charges?
And a good old argument about having cheap watches shipped from abroad avoiding any tax liability always helps thes watch deals along nicely
Just for fun of course :smiley:
It's fine. You factor the customs in when deciding if the watch is good value or not. Don't buy if the price+customs puts it out of your price bracket.
If you sneak through - that's your business. It's foolish to boast about it.