Bosch WAK24260GB Freestanding Washing Machine, 8kg Load, A+++ Energy Rating, 1200rpm Spin, White. deal - £279 @ John Lewis

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Bosch WAK24260GB Freestanding Washing Machine, 8kg Load, A+++ Energy Rating, 1200rpm Spin, White. deal @ John Lewis for £279.00

£279 John Lewis1 Jan 16

Source: HotUKDeals | Deals > Home

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maani12

27 Dec 15

Great price for a 8kg washing machine was £399
Product information

Boasting an A+++ for energy efficiency with a whopping 8 kg capacity and 1200 rpm spin speed, the Bosch WAK24260GB washing machine is the ideal choice for all your laundry needs.
Super quick 15 minute wash
If you need your favourite pair of jeans in a hurry, this 15 minute quick wash will come in really handy.
AquaPlus
By using a higher water level the best rinsing results are achieved, which means your laundry will always comes out fresh and ready for drying.
VarioPerfect
VarioPerfect achieves outstanding cleaning results for all types of textiles, and all load sizes. Practically all programmes can be combined with the VarioPerfect ‘EcoPerfect’ option for more energy savings or with ‘SpeedPerfect’ for faster results.
3D AquaSpa wash system
This impressive system shoots water from three sides for quick and effective moisture distribution. During the wash, laundry is showered from above through specially designed paddles, ensuring gentle washing and optimum usage of the water in the drum.
For further peace of mind, the safeguard monitoring system adjusts load distribution, programme, and settings to protect clothes.
Bosch guarentee
Bosch guarantees that if an appliance is discontinued, its major components will be available for at least 10 years afterwards in the event of a part needing replacement.
Special programmes
Dark Wash programme mixed load , Outdoor, Shirts/blouses, Sports Wear programme, Allergy +, Super 15 min / Super 30 min,Delicate/Silk programme
Features
Reload, pause and start delay options
EcoPerfect for energy saving
SpeedPerfect for fast cycles
Temperature selection
Spin speed reduction
Rinse Hold
Dark Wash programme mixed load
Outdoor programme
Shirts/blouses programme
Sports wear programme
Allergy + programme
Delicate/Silk programme
AntiVibration for quiet running
Buzzer to indicate end of cycle
Out of balance spin control
2 day delivery available Express Delivery available Auto Dose Information NO Automatic Load Adjustment Information Yes Brand
Bosch
Delay Start Yes Delicate Wash Information YES Digital display Yes Dimensions H84.8 x W59.8 x D61.8cm Energy Consumption- Washing and Spinning Information 0.94kWh/cycle Energy Rating Information A+++ Estimated Annual Energy Consumption- Washing and Spinning Information 196kWh Estimated Annual Water Consumption- Washing and Spinning 11220L Hand wash Information Yes Load Capacity Information 8kg Maximum Spin Speed Information 1200rpm Model name / number WAK24260GB Noise Level- Spin Cycle 75dB Noise Level- Wash Cycle 56dB Number of Programs 16 Overflow protection Information YES Programme time (60°C cotton cycle) Information 165mins Program Sequence Indicator Information Yes Quick wash Information Yes Quiet Mark No Slim depth Information No Spin performance Information B Time remaining indicator Information Yes Type Freestanding Variable temperature control Information YES Wash performance Information A Water Consumption Per Standard Cycle 53L Water Consumption- Washing and Spinning Information 53L Water supply (fill type) Information Cold fill Wool Programme Information NO

Top comments

RustySpoons

28 Dec 15 5 #7

Not a Bosch, it's a Balay, (Spanish Hotpoint) bit like Vestel.
Cheap for a washing machine, but don't buy it just cos it says Bosch.

2 Year warranty though, but it has a Sealed drum so can't change bearings, spider or remove bra wires, coins etc.

http://s29.postimg.org/fmcd1x8av/Capture.jpg

bigpappa

28 Dec 15 4 #30

It seems to me that from reading peoples experience and my own. Bosch items were of higher quality but now many are lower quality rebadged machines. This has a great deal to do with mindless managers at Bosch trying to squeeze out ever more profits whilst trying to keep themselves affordable. Today we have people moaning about £300 washing machines that come with a 5y warranty but will splurge £500 on a new smartphone every year.

Somewhere something has affected what we consider as value.

wo66

28 Dec 15 3 #44

Caught up by the same Xmas hype looking for the next Washer or Washer Dryer. Tempted by this until the helpful info re. 3rd party manufacturers reducing quality. Was looking at JL own (AEG rebadged) but they have hiked the price for Xmas from lows in November (new trend appears common with White Goods this year??). Looked at the whole range of machines key criteria - 1600 spin speed and min 7kg load. Miele are expensive and the reviews show your not actually getting the 'Ferrari' benefits over the 'Mini' often mentioned..
Not desperate as current machine is 8yrs old and running well (Hotpoint Ultra W/D this time - cleans and 1600 spin leaves load almost dry - only use dryer on rare occasions) but recognise its only a matter of time!
Is there somewhere to definitively know if the machine is actually manufactured in Germany or elsewhere under license?
Got to say HUK discussions like this add massive value above and beyond the £20 / £150 savings shared.

maani12

28 Dec 15 3 #35

Just to clarify this issue the reduced to clear statement was already present on the website when I posted this deal.
My assumption was in relation to the stock status not the reduced to clear claim.......this is a site that aims to help others not deceive people for the sake of point scoring or to gain extra heat.
I did a quick price comparison and John Lewis were the cheapest for this product so I posted this deal but if anyone can see anything cheaper then I will gladly give them heat also as this is what this site is all about unless I am mistaken.

All comments (117)

orig

27 Dec 15 1 #1

excellent deal

maani12 to orig

27 Dec 15 1 #2

Thanks
Hope it helps somebody....thankfully mine is working fine though
Was looking for a good deal on a Fridge freezer and stumbled across this
It says more than 10 in stock on the website so assuming it is reduced to clear you will need to be quick deciding if you want one.

orig

27 Dec 15 #3

than
thankfully my lg is sound, but brill deal with 2 year warranty, had a bosch before and it lasted for 10 years :wink:

keebb9

28 Dec 15 1 #4

Heat added

Trevisparky

28 Dec 15 #5

Had a Bosch lasted just over 2 years.

FatherTed to Trevisparky

28 Dec 15 #6

Great stuff

ELVIS_THE_PELVIS to Trevisparky

28 Dec 15 #38

Stolen?

Dragon32 to Trevisparky

29 Dec 15 #98

And ours has been going well over 10 years with around 10 full loads a week.

RustySpoons

28 Dec 15 5 #7

bigpappa to RustySpoons

28 Dec 15 #13

You seem to knowledgeable about white appliances - which makes should one consider - for me reliability should trump a billion functions. Apart from Miele who else?

ahotukdeal to RustySpoons

28 Dec 15 #20

Why does Bosch allow to potentially have it brand tarnished by having some of its machine made elsewhere and not to its usual standards?

pibpob to ahotukdeal

28 Dec 15 #32

[top posting removed]

Why does VW allow itself to potentially have its brand tarnished by producing millions of cars which cheat emissions tests?

dsuk

28 Dec 15 #8

Is this a genuine German made Bosch or the cheap stuff sub contracted to Spain / Italy?

Rabbit72 to dsuk

28 Dec 15 #66

Most Bosch and some Siemens appliances are made in Poland since 1992- wide range, high-end/top of the range are probably made in DE.

Kai

28 Dec 15 #9

It is only a little but more expensive at coop electrical shop (£299) so hardly a fantastic deal imo. Thanks for posting it up though!

orig to Kai

28 Dec 15 2 #10

£299 - £279 = £20 saving doh

sradmad

28 Dec 15 1 #11

good find op, heat added

SomebodE

28 Dec 15 1 #12

Pay for the 5yr warranty with this

travisbickle79

28 Dec 15 1 #14

Bosch washing machines are solid, had one for over 10 years in a very busy house used everyday sometimes 2-3 times, never a problem until 2 months ago, replaced with another Bosch, great washing machines

MaximusRo to travisbickle79

28 Dec 15 #17

As others explained above, this is not a Bosch, you might have had a made in germany one but there's no guarantee this will be just as good

aym280 to travisbickle79

28 Dec 15 #42

I had a nasty experience from last year's Christmas madness. A supposedly new Bosch WAQ... delivered without packaging material. I was wary but stupid enough to accept installation. (My brand newly-fitted kitchen only needed this machine to fill up the hole and it would be whole). I used it at night and found out the quickest wash was 15 minutes and second one 1:08 at 40 degree. The most horrible thing is that whenever I woke up to do the tumble drying with my condensing machine, the cycles never finished as predicted. I had to manually use the 15 minutes to finish the cycle in order to use my E7. In summer time, Then I found out that the wash button kept flashing all the way through to the next 2 cycles: Rinse and spin; and sometimes, the machine was unable to go over to the next cycle of drain or spin. Got the engineers in and they were OK with 15 minutes. We then tested the longer cycles. One engineer left for another job and came back nearly 30 minutes earlier. I now realised that even the second test did not succeed and that the machine could not transition over to the next Rinse cycle smoothly and that's why he was early. Now, they threatened to charge me if I wanted to call them out again. I am fed up with a big company like C which delivers used goods.

The engineer said that Bosch was made in China and only Siemens one better and were made in Germany. I am not happy with Bosch stuff although they are very economical. The cycles are so long and all my freezer drawers are cracked up.

Also, there have been lot of holes in our clothes and I thought they were made by pegs - I then realised that I never peg clothes in those areas (Yes, I know, I am stupid!) . BOSCH IS NO LONGER SO GOOD AS THEY ARE HYPED UP TO BE!

MaximusRo

28 Dec 15 1 #15

So you are just assuming it is reduced to clear but put it in the title anyway to get more heat for your deal... Classic.

Voted cold on that account.

MaximusRo

28 Dec 15 #16

LG inverter ones.
Look for 5 years warranty, there are quite a few. Example: http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/samsung-ecobubble-wf90f5e5u4x-washing-machine-9-kg-five-year-manufacturer-s-guarantee-2360861

chrisst170

28 Dec 15 3 #18

Maani was only quoting what was stated on the JL website.
Voted hot.

paulandpam1

28 Dec 15 #19

We've had this washing machine for about 18 months and to be honest its just ok and I wished I had bought a more expensive one, I definitely believe it's a rebadged machine and not made by Bosch themselves.
BUT up to now it has worked fine apart from always having to use the spin cycle twice after a wash because the clothes will be very damp otherwise.
Compared with our last crappy Hotpoint that lasted 13 months the Bosch is a better machine.

patti to paulandpam1

28 Dec 15 #21

I didn't buy this model mine was £449 and the 1400 spin speed is a rubbish as I am doing what u have to do and spin it again. There was a LG washing machine on Hotdeals that I wished I bought instead. Bosch bought out Siemens and Siemens is made in Germany. Bosch is made in Spain and other EU countries. Bosch machines from 10 years ago were well made then they are not now.

stevieshoes

28 Dec 15 1 #22

How does one know if you've bought a Bosch or this 'Balay' brand? I'm minded towards the more powerful WAE28377GB but have no idea on the 'badge' after reading this!?

Someone suggested investing in 5 yr warranty but at £95 - a third of the price (!) - sounds unwise.

SomebodE to stevieshoes

28 Dec 15 1 #23

Unwise from a percentage perspective but cheaper than a new machine if you must buy this Bosch. There are better deals with 5yr inclusive and someone else suggested this as an alternative - I'd agree with this.

I've had a LG since Oct 2009 so I'd recommend these as long as it's not a sealed drum version but Miele under a recent offer of under 500 is a better bet

patti

28 Dec 15 #24

But even Miele are not made as good as they used to. I never used to see people online asking about the problems with their Miele but u do now. Miele got bad when all this electronic displays were used. I had a Miele for over 20 years never had anything go wrong till the bearings went. My husband took so long to fix it that it was past being fixed. I didn't want to buy another Miele so bought a Bosch which I hate lol

Besford

28 Dec 15 #25

BEKO tend to offer the best price/reliability balance. Miele CAN be good but - but at an enormous price. I have a cheap Bosch which is the best machine I've ever had and still going well at 8 years old but a sample of one proves very little.

sherlock747

28 Dec 15 1 #26

So what evidence do you have that this is not made to Bosch's "usual standards". A factory in Spain can assemble a washing machine as easily and to the same standards as a factory in Germany.

HARRIA01

28 Dec 15 #27

We bought a bosch washer dryer for 600 quid and scrapped it inyear 3! Had to have a new bearing cross (4 hour repair by bosch engineer) 2 new boot gaskets, new element and new motor and then the pcb board went deeming it an uneconomical repair. Personally the bosch brand let us down on so many occasions when we had 2 young children leaving the clothes to build up and customer service just did not care even when escalated. When the motor went just out of warranty bosch refused to pay for all the repair despite of all the previous problems. In the end they paid for the motor rrp 165 and i paid for the labour 95. 6 months later it died. Now bought a miele for just over 500 after cashback and promotions with a free 5 yr parts and labour warranty. 1 year in no problems and so quiet. If you have a small family and want reliability its definately worth paying more to have the reliability and miele always do promotions for 5 year plus parts and lanour warrantys

HARRIA01

28 Dec 15 #28

Voted cold as from experience bosch washers are crap

sherlock747 to HARRIA01

28 Dec 15 1 #29

Voted hot as from experience Bosch washers have been excellent. (and this is actually a decent deal)

bigpappa

28 Dec 15 4 #30

MaximusRo to bigpappa

28 Dec 15 #34

Some pay even more for iPhones, but you do use your phone every day, every hour actually :smiley:
And sometimes they do carry some resale value.
Also washing machines are very heavy and difficult to buy/sell/replace and so on.

But I do get your point

tryn2help

28 Dec 15 #31

Almost all washing machines made years ago were far more reliable than almost all washing machines made today - at least that's the only thing we can deduce from available information.

There is a general feeling now that washing machines are being built to fail in that it is uneconomical to repair them, thus we can no longer say that because our last 'insert machine brand here' was good the new one will be the same - it almost certainly won't be.

The only sensible thing to do would be to obtain at least a five year guarantee - and make sure you read the small print to see that it does actually cover you.

MaximusRo

28 Dec 15 #33

I'm sure if it was on the website at the time OP would not just assume, maybe it was added later on.

maani12

28 Dec 15 3 #35

paulandpam1

28 Dec 15 #36

I actually own this machine and can assure you they are NOT made to the normal Bosch standards.
For instance the paint has flaked away under the detergent drawer, the spin speed is useless and needs another spin cycle to get the clothes reasonably dry to go into the tumble dryer and unless you use the very long cotton wash the clothes are not really that clean.
I must admit I do think its better than an Indishit / hotpoint and for £279 which is also what I paid for mine if it lasts for 4 years I would be surprised but very happy.

bonzobanana

28 Dec 15 2 #37

Surely something like this is far better.

http://www.coopelectricalshop.co.uk/Panasonic-NA127B6WGB-A-7kg-1200-Spin-Washing-Machine-in-White/id-PAN-WSH-NA127B6WGB-W

£299 with a 5 year guarantee is about £60 a year of guaranteed use compared to £140 per year for this Bosch model.

I've got a similar Panasonic model which I've had for about 14 months. Build quality is brilliant and it performs faultlessly. The only issue is if I overload it the load balance sensor won't allow it to spin fast so I don't overload it anymore. I certainly think its lot better than entry level Bosch models but I'm sure its not as good as german made Bosch, Siemens models or Miele or LG.

bigpappa

28 Dec 15 #39

So what should we be looking for in a machine?

Drums that are not sealed.
The type of motor
Inverter?

Can someone correct the above or add some more thanks.

RustySpoons

28 Dec 15 #40

Miele, LG or get a Beko if on a budget :smiley:

RustySpoons

28 Dec 15 #41

Thats a Vestel Washing Machine :smiley:

bigpappa

28 Dec 15 #43

Sister has a Miele - its been with them ages. Brother just got a Samsung one with a 5yr warranty. Would you say LG is better than Samsung?

As to beko I will be honest I would never consider them.

My budget is about £500-600 but I would want a least a 5yr warranty not sure if I can get a 10 yr warranty but dont mind paying a little extra for peace of mind.

wo66

28 Dec 15 3 #44

aym280 to wo66

29 Dec 15 #83

Sounds good as a washing machine. But I am so worried about Hot point and Beko. Sound like a fire hazard. The last thing I want is to have a fire. Beware of extreme heat here. Could easily have fingers burnt. I am waiting for the thing to go bust, hopefully 8 years,

DubDriver

28 Dec 15 #45

Same price at Co-operative Electrical all but .99p using code FMD20 but on top of that Topcashback 2.1%, Quidco 2% possible.

DubDriver

28 Dec 15 #46

Not really isn't much of a deal, this machine was available for £300 from 6th July to 4th October, then again from 30th October to 17th November and so you are really only saving £21 on the price it was for a substantial period of time for a discontinued machine. It's only once been £399 once between 27th November to 9th December.

RustySpoons

28 Dec 15 #47

Beko are the best for a budget machine believe it or not :smiley: LG is much better than Samsung.

I have a Miele, but I would have had an LG.

RustySpoons

28 Dec 15 1 #48

A lot of Siemens machines are the Balay Spanish models now, it's only the high end stuff that is German.

gunner786

28 Dec 15 #49

Bought mine 3 years ago getting the e18 fault alot nowadays

RustySpoons

28 Dec 15 1 #50

I forgot to say, get a Miele WDA111 from AO.com which is £620 with a voucher DECEMBER30, then £50 cashback which only took a week, then it's £570 :smiley: it's got 5 year warranty. I have this machine and it's superb.

MaximusRo

28 Dec 15 #51

You didn't mention if you got their 5 years warranty or not

RustySpoons

28 Dec 15 #52

It says in that post, 5 year warranty :smiley:

HARRIA01

28 Dec 15 1 #53

Thats what one of the bosch engineer told me. Cant remember if it was the 1st or 8th visit but we were on first name terms!

HARRIA01

28 Dec 15 #54

Recommend the miele wda110 which is mega quiet and has short wash options. You can get for around £600 and register for a free 5 years parts and labour warranty ( upto 10,000 hours of use ) see https://www.miele.co.uk/domestic/5-year-parts-and-labour-warranty-included-on-selected-washing-machines-3140.htm#p3436
. Any questions let me know happy to help

davidg_croydon

28 Dec 15 #55

Just got John Lewis to price match for this machine.. WAW28660GB at £599. I'm hoping that it's a 'proper' Bosch.. It's replacing an 8 year old Bosch washer, there's nothing wrong with it, we just like the A+++ (-30%) rating and the automatic soap dispenser of the new one (and the old one is 6KG compared to the new one's 9KG, and the new one uses magnets rather than brushes)..

bergy2

28 Dec 15 #56

Bottom line - if it's a German Bosch get it - if Spanish avoid like the plague - had a Spanish one with Which awards plastered on it and had constant issues

scoobytawazara to bergy2

28 Dec 15 #57

how do you know if spanish and when did bosch start with sealed drums? thanks

checkley73

28 Dec 15 #58

What a read this is, so many 'experts' and incorrect information.

Bosch do not buy any washing machines from 3rd parties and rebadge them, they are all made in their own factories. There is no such thing as a Balay washing machine, it is just one of the brands they own like Neff or Siemens. The factories produce for all brands all over the world and they have different brands in different countries. Balay is primarily a spanish brand like Thermador is primarily american. Which country the product is produced in does not affect specification, the price point it's being produced for will do that.

It shouldn't be surprising that a £300 Bosch isn't as good as a £600 Bosch. A £300 Bosch is better than anything else at that price though, compare eggs with eggs.

As for Samsung and LG, ask yourself how many engineers do they employ to carry out the repairs under their 5 year insurance? It's none.

Rich44 to checkley73

28 Dec 15 #60

What has the amount of employees have to do with anything? You obviously work for Bosch seeing as you're almost foaming at the mouth over them.

There are LOTS of service companies that are contracted to do warranty work, I used to work for one (in IT) it's more common than ever with companies looking to get a nationwide network without all the expense & logistics of doing it yourself

Rich44

28 Dec 15 #59

1200rpm? Too slow our 14 year old Hoover is 1600rpm and still going strong on its 3rd set of carbon brushes but they're only £12 a pair. Can't fault it.

I wouldn't buy anything without a VERY long warranty now, there's too many machines that are next to impossible to repair these days so buy with 5 years warranty then budget to replace it then.

pibpob to Rich44

28 Dec 15 #61

As you are capable of replacing motor brushes I'm surprised you don't realise that spin speed is only half the story when it comes to spin effectiveness. There's the diameter of the drum, for instance - and I am guessing that this 8kg washer has a larger diameter drum than yours. That's why there is a spin performance measurement, which for some reason is ignored by the marketing but I see it's "B" for this machine. So not bad.

Decent washing machines these days have brushless motors. As well as not having to dismantle them to change the brushes, they are a lot quieter. And they use a lot less water and electricity.

aym280 to Rich44

29 Dec 15 #81

Guess what, I also have something made by Hoover, a condense dryer. 15 years and is as good as gold. I never bother about names. I am sooooo happy to have that. Reliable and does what it says on the tin.

meathane

28 Dec 15 #62

i paid £240 at ao.com about 2 weeks ago (250 with a £10 off code). delivery was fine, and i installed it too, dead easy. bosch give a 2 year warranty too so i'm not sure the extra £40 is worth the JL guarantee

checkley73 to meathane

28 Dec 15 #64

JL will use Bosch anyway

checkley73

28 Dec 15 #63

3rd party engineers are almost never as good as having your own in our industry. Will respect the IT industry has nothing to do with the service you might receive.

theratedone

28 Dec 15 #65

The knock of version of Bosch

fishmaster

28 Dec 15 1 #67

Ask Panasonic and various other brands because they do it as well now.

louiselouise

28 Dec 15 #68

I'm sure I read on HUKD only a few days ago that Miele's cheaper models have sealed drums as well now! The quote is here http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/miele-wda101-a-7kg-1400-spin-reduced-from-649-549-coopelectrical-2360387?p=26927956

As I've been buying washing machines for 20+ years I think it's just how all electrical appliances are going now - sell 'em cheap, keep them in a limited lifespan. Nothing is built to last these days.

RustySpoons

28 Dec 15 #69

Sorry it's essentially the same machine as this one in the deal listed here, same parts used including a sealed drum, different motor though...

http://s9.postimg.org/wk379v4zj/washingmaching.jpg

RustySpoons

28 Dec 15 #70

WDA110 is a bit harder to find now at a good price, the WDA111 is the newer version of this, which can be had for £570 by using the voucher on AO.com

HARRIA01

28 Dec 15 #71

Dont forget quidco cashbk

HARRIA01

28 Dec 15 2 #72

Quite lucky when i got my wda110 as was 649 used a 40 off code co-op plus got the 5 year warranty and 75 promo cashbk from miele and quidco so worked out about 510 overall!

Sogaaddict to HARRIA01

29 Dec 15 #92

Once my 6 year warranty on my panny dies in March 2017 I shall probably head for a Miele deal.

tryn2help

28 Dec 15 #73

You did read that, but I pointed out the article in Which magazine saying Miele were the only brand not using sealed drums; http://www.which.co.uk/news/2015/06/are-washing-machines-built-to-fail-406177/

Sogaaddict

28 Dec 15 #74

Panasonic machine. I got mine from JL with a 2 year warranty and a free extended warranty from Panasonic for another 4 years, parts and labour. I was tempted with a Miele though. :smiley:

pibpob

28 Dec 15 #75

Don't plastic outer drums lead to a better energy efficiency rating due to less thermal mass? The question then is whether it's possible to make a plastic drum with replaceable bearings.

tryn2help

28 Dec 15 #76

My main concern is; 'are people being conned?'

The public are purchasing branded goods in expectation based on years of family, friends and personal experience, only to soon discover the item is all too often well short of their expectations.

Ever since the 'new innovative' engineering there has been a massive rise in machines failing - and being uneconomical to repair - hence the reports of machines being built to fail.

We are now at the stage that we can no longer trust that what we are getting is what we were expecting, that's why I posted earlier about the importance of the five years guarantee (incidently there's an interesting point elsewhere about getting six years guarantee through buying by credit card).

RustySpoons

28 Dec 15 #77

Plastic drums have been around for years, when they came out people were worried about coins getting stuck in them and making a hole, you could change the bearings on them.

But sealed drums are slowly being phased in, blame WEEE as it's all to do with recycling.
However I don't see how that's better for the environment, a machine that's disposable with a disposable drum or a machine that can be fixed.

RustySpoons

28 Dec 15 #78

This is a Bosch with replaceable bearings, but it's still a Balay Bosch, however most are and this is at least serviceable.

Might be available elsewhere cheaper, I don't know.
http://www.euronics.co.uk/laundry/washing-machines/bosch-296wae24367uk/2529

http://s8.postimg.org/z3ab4ynqt/Capture.jpg

tryn2help

29 Dec 15 1 #79

Your last point re environment shows exactly why it's not for environmental reasons.

Imagine if it was known almost fifteen years ago that older well made machines were stagnating the market and suppliers could not sell new machines.

Imagine if research carried out by a company such as GfK showed suppliers that more than half of all sales were to replace machines over ten years old.

I suppose it could be said that as the market got smaller the suppliers might have attempted to get a bigger share by buying out competitors (- but, continuing to sell machines under the former brand names) however, that move might only have given them a bigger share of an increasingly shrinking market.

Perhaps the only way to get the market growing again would have been to stop making machines that last so long - whilst selling newer and perhaps inferior models with all sorts of 'bells,whistles, flashing lights and stupendous spin' - and maybe some built in weakness in design - but of course, such things wouldn't ever happen.

bonzobanana

29 Dec 15 #80

Yes I know but thats not a bad thing. Seem to have a good reputation in Turkey where they are branded Vestel at retail and the Panasonic is based on their premium range. Panasonic seem to offer better support for spares etc than other Vestel rebrands. I'd recommend people see the models for themselves as build quality seems far better than basic Bosch models and many others. The important thing is you have the reassurance of a full 5 year parts and labour warranty anyway so its not in anyway a gamble.

aym280

29 Dec 15 #82

Has it given you trouble? I know this model was pushed by SSE and some people complained that it was hopeless.

Sogaaddict

29 Dec 15 #84

My particular model is the Panasonic NA-168VX2, but that was in 2011 so probably supersceded by now. In that time I have had the pump renewed, I only use it couple times a week but other than that problem it's been fine.

bonzobanana

29 Dec 15 1 #85

Hotpoint is just a rebrand of Indesit nowadays which always had a bad reputation for electrical safety. Both companies are now owned by the american Whirlpool group and I think its safe to say all 3 are right at the bottom when it comes to reliability apart from maybe some of the very low end generic chinese appliances rebranded to shop brands in the UK.

One of the biggest fire risk recalls of recent times was for Bosch/Siemens dishwashers over 600,000 in the UK alone.

http://www.itv.com/news/story/2014-05-27/bosch-hotpoint-dishwasher-recall/

This is one area where I think Miele do well. They have a very high electrical safety level with very low recall levels. Maybe because they are still manufacturing in Germany for appliances at least.

MaximusRo

29 Dec 15 #86

To balance things a bit, lots of people would prefer to save less on water so the machine would use a decent amount of water for washing their clothes.
I've seen people adding water through the detergent dispenser during the machine programme.

longie

29 Dec 15 #87

So Miele, Siemens, LG and Bosch. I have seen a few promotions on whirlpool machines, any good ?

RustySpoons to longie

29 Dec 15 #89

No they are not good and not many places sell them these days.

pibpob

29 Dec 15 #88

Nowt as queer as folk I guess - certainly you can programme extra rinses and there is a plethora of programmes available on most machines to satisfy the neurotic. Perhaps they put too much powder in in the mistaken belief that their clothes will be washed better, and it doesn't dissolve properly in the small amount of water used. Certainly that's a mistake I used to make with a new more efficient machine. (Oh and apparently the belief that babies' skin is irritated by biological washing powders is a myth.)

RustySpoons

29 Dec 15 #90

I'm guilty of adding too much powder. Also powder is FAR better for the machine than liquid, keeps it cleaner and washes better.

I've always said the biological thing was a myth. But females say they can get thrush from it?:man:

tryn2help

29 Dec 15 #91

Agreed re the powder being better for the machine - appears to be the standard recommendation across the board.

Sogaaddict

29 Dec 15 #93

I use liquid as it doesn't clog, for some reason hardly any of the containers state they are for washing clothes, where can I get these opinions re powder over liquid?

sherlock747

29 Dec 15 #94

So you'd replace a perfectly working machine, albeit outside it's warranty, on a new, more expensive model just to get a warranty. Not exactly a deal then is it.

Sogaaddict

29 Dec 15 #95

I used the word "probably" - just to clarify, if it broke down and needed expensive servicing then I would. Ok now?

bonzobanana

29 Dec 15 #96

Hopefully you'll get some bonus years out of your Panasonic though after the warranty expires. When mine fails after warranty unless a simple fault I will be replacing and to be honest it will be the best deal at the time. Even if I was a billionaire I don't think I could justify a Miele I just don't see them as a particularly good deal and don't really do the brand snob value thing. Once the warranty has expired from what I've read their repair costs are ridiculously high. For me the best machines currently on the market for value and reliability are both Turkish made, the Beko's and Vestel made Panasonics. However I do also have a liking for the LG models which seem to have the most advanced technology, perform brilliantly and look rather nice too.

pibpob

29 Dec 15 #97

If by "most advanced technology" you mean direct drive motors, well they're a bit meh really: https://www.ukwhitegoods.co.uk/help/buying-advice/washing-machine/3378-direct-drive-versus-indirect-drive-washing-machines/

Dragon32

29 Dec 15 #99

Although it was one of the older models.

Sogaaddict

29 Dec 15 #100

I truly don't see Miele as being a snob value thing. Many purchases can be a "luck of the draw" issue, someone I know had a Beko die after just over a year (SOGA should have been brought to the notice of the retailer) others, like my vile neighbour, go on for years. I don't buy cheap electrics, I try and buy dependable electrics.

aym280

29 Dec 15 #101

Thank you for the info. Keep washing!

aym280

29 Dec 15 #102

bonzobanana: You've taught me something today. I never knew that Bosch actually makes Hotpoint. I won't look at Bosch the way I looked at them before, especially since the saga I have had with my washing machine from Currys

paulandpam1

29 Dec 15 #103

Bosch don't make Hotpoint and neither do hotpoint make Bosch.

pibpob

29 Dec 15 #104

Number of washes is surely much more significant than age? Long guarantees are much more useful to those who flog their machines.

Sogaaddict

29 Dec 15 #105

Long and free parts & labour warranties are useful to anyone, I would have thought.

pibpob

29 Dec 15 #106

Sure, but they're never "free", they're built in to the price of the appliance, and price is one of the factors you use to compare.

Sogaaddict

29 Dec 15 #107

Yes, I realize that. But... oh I give up... whatever..

paulandpam1

29 Dec 15 1 #108

Modern machine makers such as Miele may well give you a 5 or 10 year guarantee but they also restrict the amount of wash cycles that can be done in that time frame.
So for instance if you have a load of kids and use your machine a few times every day then the warranty will not cover the full time period.
They can tell the amount of uses when they plug their laptop into the diagnostic socket.

aym280

29 Dec 15 #109

If you care to click on the link provided by Bonzobanana, you will watch reports and videos about owners who had HOTPOINT dishwashers produced by Bosch, but not included in the recall batch and see how these machines charred their kitchen and even killed a dog.

davidg_croydon

30 Dec 15 #110

They're still wrong though. There is no link between Hotpoint and Bosch...

paulandpam1

30 Dec 15 #111

You obviously do not understand what is going on.
Once again Bosch DO NOT make any items for Hotpoint and Hotpoint DO NOT make items for Bosch.
What is happening though is Bosch are contracting out work to other manufacturing companies who make a cheaper inferior item and Bosch stupidly allow their name to be applied to the end product, The same assembly company also make items for other well known names (in this case Hotpoint) with the same parts inside the finished units.
It just takes one type of faulty heating element to effect many different makes of tumble dryers or dishwashers.
Another famous company to get their excellent name tarnished by substandard outsourced manufacturers is Panasonic televisions.

bonzobanana

30 Dec 15 #112

I'm not sure what you are thinking of unless you are getting confused by that itv page that mentions both, Bosch/Siemens having the recall for 600,000 units and Hotpoint 200,000 but they are not connected as companies just a big safety concern that effects both companies.

Actually just followed the link and see they are claiming the Hotpoint models are made by Bosch. I wonder if this is correct. It probably is but Hotpoint is just a brand now by Indesit and itv's information is very unclear with no mention of Indesit and the Indesit group now is part of Whirlpool anyway. It wouldn't surprise me if the models were actually manufactured by Whirlpool and sold under both Hotpoint and Bosch brands. It's hard to know who makes what nowadays when different companies rebranding other companies goods. Only recently heard that both Dacia and Mercedes are sharing some of the same engines which are manufactured by Renault. Different cars one the cheapest possible brand and the other one of the most expensive and yet sharing the same admittedly good engine.

aym280

31 Dec 15 #113

You sounded very rude and dogmatic. The link did show that Bosch had to recall the own brand dishwashers because of faults. BUT THEY ALSO PRODUCED SOME FOR HOTPOINT AND HOTPOINT DID NOT RECALL THOSE MACHINES and there were charred kitchens on the video. Having said that, it was not a CURRENT video, but not THAT OLD! Try to listen to what the reporters and victims say and you will realise that BOSCH did produce machines but they were sold as Hotpoint machines.
http://www.itv.com/news/2014-05-27/hotpoint-bosch-dishwasher-safety-recall-fire-hazard-concerns/
Please watch this!
You go to the supermarkets and see more than 10 brands of washing powders. They are actually made by 2 or 3 companies. When a well-established singer charged £15 for a CD and found he/she could not shift the stuff, he/she might brand the CD with a different name and charge £5 and recoup the loss... See the analogy. It happens,

aym280

31 Dec 15 #114

It did say that Bosch produced machines for Hotpoint and Hotpoint did not recall the machines. Don't worry. If it is not genuine, Bosch will have sued.

bonzobanana

31 Dec 15 #115

I had a quick look at ukwhitegoods and see it is a Bosch design although there is some debate whether made by Bosch or actually assembled by Hotpoint in wales using key Bosch parts. Quite old models though going back 13-15 years.

muddassarsardar

1 Feb 16 #116

correct not just washing machines but everything from fridge freezers gas cookers vacuum cleaners everything lasted easily over 15/20 years 1970/80+ apart from microwaves I think they have become slightly better well the ones from around 2005/2010 dont know about recent ones its all a con technology has been so advanced they can figure out how long something will last and so they adda bit extra life after the warranty period and as soon as warranty is over boom time for new appliances

pibpob

1 Feb 16 #117

I agree that things are often pared down to the absolute minimum nowadays but I think you have a rosy view of the reliability of washing machines in the 70s! As for microwave ovens, the traditionally-driven ones are simple and robust, yet there seem to be a large number of reports of the new "inverter" ones failing.

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