You've essentially compared a Ferrari to a Fiat Punto.

You always get one.

There's a new offer on the Lumia 950/950XL within the incumbent Lumia Offers app, you'll get a free year of O365 Personal and 1TB of Onedrive storage.

If you activate the offer then upgrade to Home, you'll get the year for the price of a month, which will give you 4 users and 60 minutes of Skype calling a month.

I ran a pilot of 200 Windows 635 through to 930 and I disagree with reliability. They're much more reliable than Android devices, aren't jeopardised by malware attacks on a weekly basis and are built on solid Nokia IP.

There's no chance I'd deploy Android devices to the corporation, MDM or not. Setup is horrible, there's a heap of configuration required and there's issues on some devices with partitioning of storage, unlike WP that pools will available storage.

There are 2 devices I'd choose for the elderly or youngsters I know, iOS or WP, usability is key and the fact both at an OS "just work" speaks volumes about how good both OS are.

Personally I'm an Android guy but that's because I like to tinker, but my work device will always be a WP and that's especially true now that W10 (ecosystem) has arrived.

Out of interest when did you last use W10P? Sounds to me like you used early preview builds that were raw (and that's what was expected), it's a completely different experience on the 950's.

Continuum and UWP is years ahead of anything Android or Apple are doing and that follows the innovations they've made in the cloud.

P800 was a great device, I used to love my SPV too, but times change and thankfully much of what we needed to achieve at a device level has changed too.

As for W10, W10P, Xbox, IoT, you say there's not much interoperability, but there is more demonstrated across Windows than any other ecosystem. Which given that W10P has not yet been formally released and W10 only being 6 months old I'd say is quite an achievement.

Soon enough you'll be able to stream you Xbox to your phone over LAN like any other W10 device. Last week RDP UWP was launched, so my phone can now operate like a Citrix client too... My Android in comparison is the Fisher Price toy, it just has more "leisure" apps.

Wow! That's a very good deal for an awesome PCPhone!

In market context a good deal, heat added.

Never paid over a ton for a mobile; I will hang on to my Lumia 925 until this drops to within my range c.2017 :wink:

I love the Win8/10 phones, the UI is just so nice and I like the way they work.

But the app gap is a killer, voting hot if your not dependant on Google services these are good.

There's a new offer on the Lumia 950/950XL within the incumbent Lumia Offers app, you'll get a free year of O365 Personal and 1TB of Onedrive storage.

If you activate the offer then upgrade to Home, you'll get the year for the price of a month, which will give you 4 users and 60 minutes of Skype calling a month.

HEAT if you want one..

However Win Blu HD with Windows 10 for £350 less, sort of swings the balance!

Do you still get the free dock?

>>>>>
Well having had both, would have the punto all day long ;-)

Voted hot on the price.

But the lack of apps, flaky OS ( my screen keep going off requiring a reboot, its a Win10 driver issue but the constant internet disconnections arent ) and this 32GB nonsense ? 32GB ? really a £400 phone with 32GB is soooo 2014............just joking :smiley: but 32GB is not enough.

Like i say Voted HOT on the price as is the sites standard but from a user MS need to close the app chasm that exists between Android/Apple and MS.

Corgi or Matchbox :wink:

I thought the 950 series had an SD card slot?

Yes, they have essentially the same functionality, but one is better for playing games and showing off.

Great deal. Unless you want a smartphone, or it to last more than a couple of weeks, or you think £395 if too much for a low-end device. Cold.

Storage is removable sd card

Decent phone with a very good camera. Having SD card means the 32GB is not really an issue and IIRC this can take up to 256GB cards. W10M is much better now too and a lot less buggy.

Hopefully this year they will announce a Surface Phone :smiley:

Dreadful phone I had one and sold it. Most of the common apps are poor compared to IOS and Android. The only good thing was the camera but it wasn't worth keeping the phone for.

Had a mid range windows phone a few years ago. I imagine things have improved since then but it was enough to put me off for life.

But it's 400 quid for a Microsoft phone :neutral_face:

Someone has to have some sense!

my partnet has the 925 and after 3 years dgill looks and works as new. No wonder after the takeover microsoft is churrling out these plastic monstrosities. They need to addapt their lumias to the 3 year cycle trend.. same fron the point of view of the consumer..with nokia we lost the last great firm of the old model of doing business....

even though the number of apps in windows phone is now pretty good, they still need to work on them being less probe to bugs and better adapted. for the native apps however wp8 is still the best I have seen.

First off, it doesn't run Windows 10 despite what they say.

While I haven't used this particular phone, I have used dozens of Windows Lumia phones and they have all been an awful experience - poorly designed, awful OS, worse reliability than a £5 chinese phone.

I don't consider them to be real smartphones when every other smartphone (even iOS devices) can do more, and even smartphones 14 years ago were better.

Don't get me wrong - I think if they could fix the many problems (and use a decent manufacturer who didn't get their entire reputation from a phone they released 17 years ago), and make the OS more advanced, they could be great devices. In the meantime, I can't see any reason to bother when there are literally dozens of better alternatives.

Thank you for not answering my question.
950 and XL do run Windows 10 so I'm not quite sure what you mean.
There are not as many apps for Windows, but again I'm not sure what you mean that other phones can do more

it's really expensive for a windows phone. The windows app store it terrible. You're much better of grabbing one of the Vodafone G4's for 235 including the top up.

£400 for a Lumia, who are MS trying to fool.

I did answer your question. They call it Windows 10, but can you run Windows programs on it? No. Does it have the Windows taskbar and start menu? No. Does it have much in common with Windows? No.

It *may* have changed in "Windows 10" but other Lumia devices can't even change the ringtone without jumping through lots of hoops. You can't even connect a bluetooth keyboard. And they make everything advanced users want to do either impossible or difficult (no great loss, they're all already on Android).

I really wished you were trolling, for your sake.

I really hope that you're not as dumb as you sound, for your sake.

Let me know which part sounded dumb.

Meanwhile go read about WP and the 950, come back and correct your post. Allow 30 minutes for the number of mistakes and conjecture.

No part in particular, just your statement in general.

I already know about WP and had a look at the poorly-reviewed POS that is this phone.

Now, instead of making stupid pathetic comments, perhaps you could explain why YOU THINK I'm wrong??? If you think it actually runs Windows 10, do some research before replying.

It runs W10P, just like my 950XL. It's the same kernel across all W10 devices and if you knew anything about UWP and continuum you would also understand their philosophy.

Whilst they don't run x86 applications, I have no idea why you'd want to, if you cared for decent UX and UI you wouldn't have even made that remark, there's no sense in porting x86 apps that weren't made for that screen size, nor resolution, let alone touch.

There's a rumour they are investigating x86 applications being made available under contiuum, which makes sense given the use case, but that's nowhere near.

W10P supports BT devices, mouse, keyboard, anything... I use my KB and mouse for continuum happily.

As for reliability of a £5 phone and the 14 year old functionality, there's no point in commenting.

The fact is, there is a lot of work to do with UWP applications bridging the gap, and there's devs to persuade, but their vision is undeniable and in the case of the 950 and W10P, both products are a definite step in the right direction.

Written on an Android phone...

Love the Lumia phones. On my third one at the moment the 930. Will wait another year until the price drops further before I get this

I wouldn't bother getting worked up over a phone, OS, apps or technology in general. If you don't want it don't buy it.

It is the best iteration of Windows Phone OS, and the 950 is a good example of it. It's not worth £395, but it is certainly worth more than £5...

WP is far more secure than Android. OS has yet to be rooted, and apps (although few) don't allow people to just code anything they like in the name of openness. Both have pros and cons.

Personally, if you just want a good phone to go online occasionally then WP is a good option.

I ran a pilot of 200 Windows 635 through to 930 and I disagree with reliability. They're much more reliable than Android devices, aren't jeopardised by malware attacks on a weekly basis and are built on solid Nokia IP.

There's no chance I'd deploy Android devices to the corporation, MDM or not. Setup is horrible, there's a heap of configuration required and there's issues on some devices with partitioning of storage, unlike WP that pools will available storage.

There are 2 devices I'd choose for the elderly or youngsters I know, iOS or WP, usability is key and the fact both at an OS "just work" speaks volumes about how good both OS are.

Personally I'm an Android guy but that's because I like to tinker, but my work device will always be a WP and that's especially true now that W10 (ecosystem) has arrived.

Out of interest when did you last use W10P? Sounds to me like you used early preview builds that were raw (and that's what was expected), it's a completely different experience on the 950's.

Continuum and UWP is years ahead of anything Android or Apple are doing and that follows the innovations they've made in the cloud.

P800 was a great device, I used to love my SPV too, but times change and thankfully much of what we needed to achieve at a device level has changed too.

As for W10, W10P, Xbox, IoT, you say there's not much interoperability, but there is more demonstrated across Windows than any other ecosystem. Which given that W10P has not yet been formally released and W10 only being 6 months old I'd say is quite an achievement.

Soon enough you'll be able to stream you Xbox to your phone over LAN like any other W10 device. Last week RDP UWP was launched, so my phone can now operate like a Citrix client too... My Android in comparison is the Fisher Price toy, it just has more "leisure" apps.

think its time to upgrade from my lumia 925, been serving me well for about two years, i think i'm gonna wait for this to hit £350 though.....

Blackberry Priv- physical keyboard.

I seriously considered a 950XL but the issue of appgap is real and the main reason turning people away from Win phones. IMO, by the time the apps get to a decent level compared to IOS and Android will be two generations away from the 950 phones.

I didn't see much point to Continum at the moment. I don't think I've ever had a want for a keyboard, mouse and screen while out somewhere... It's good that it's available but rather pointless at the moment because any location that has a screen, mouse and keyboard would have a proper working PC anyway?

I ended up with a Moto X Style 64gb for £404 delivered using Motomaker. For a few pounds more I also get a flagship with bigger memory and pound for pound similar specs to a 950XL. However, the BIGGEST negative of the X Style is the battery life. Even running Marshmallow, I find myself looking for a charger by 4pm... But coming from a Z3, maybe I was living in a battery life dreamland.

Ditto.

I liked mine.

But I paid top dollar for it, sold it less than a year later and lost WAY more in depreciation than I have on any other phone.

Nothing wrong with Windows phones. But buying them outright at high prices is not the best idea unless you plan to keep it long term as resale on them is terrible. Current resale on this through the recycling sites is around £120. Compare that to the older and cheaper Galaxy Note 4 and you can still get £170+ for that. Even more for an older iPhone.

Nice phones. Terrible resale values.

Also available at Carphone Warehouse for £399:

http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/lumia-950-32-gb-black-white-399-99-carphone-warehouse-2377179#post27145599

£400 for a windows phone...LOL!!!

I just purchased a Lumia 1520 a few weeks back and its the best Lumia that I've had. I've previously owned the Lumia 925, 820 and 710. I wanted to go for the 950XL but it's too expensive at the moment. People have found the 1520 too big but I love it. The battery life is amazing. The Lumia 925 wouldn't last a full day but this phone sometimes lasts three days. And the screen is amazing. All in all the best phone I've had.

Maybe you've had a bad experience. I've had no such issues with any of the Nokia Lumia devices that I've owned. Build quality is exceptional and setting up/ using the phone is a doddle. I haven't had any phones fail on me either. Performance of the OS is brilliant even on low specs. You don't need an Octa-Core, 3GB phone unlike Android. With Android it seems to be anything with 1GB and below Dual-Core is insufficient. I've got an old ASUS tablet on these specs and the lag is really bad. No such issues with WP which can easily run on 1GB RAM. And I don't ever get any apps or the OS crashing.
Moving from Android or iOS is so easy with the Transfer My Data App.
Furthermore we've just moved over from iOS to Windows Phone in my workplace and have had no issues with the changeover.
I haven't looked back since moving to WP. Although it isnt as popular as iOS or Android I'm very pleased with it.

Ar5e and elbow come to mind :neutral_face:

May I ask where you purchased the 1520; was it a good deal? Is it worth an upgrade from a 925?

Cheers

"Too dumb to accept anyone else's experience" springs to mind...

Just review the 'likes' on each comment; it gives a good idea whom is making sense.

Did you try "turning it off and back on again" :stuck_out_tongue:

I got it from eBay for £160. It is well worth the upgrade. I had the Lumia 925 for nearly 2 years. The 1520 is superior in every department - screen, battery life, processor, RAM, GPU and camera. It also has built-in wireless charging unlike the 925 for which you required the add-on back cover.
The polycarbonate finish on the back is top-class. It's pretty much the same design as the 925 only bigger. It feels very comfortable.
From the reviews I have seen the new flagship Microsoft phones (950 & 950XL) don't feel or look as premium as the old Lumias.
Even though the Lumia 1520 is coming to three years since it was released, its still a very competitive phone as the specs are still very good. And since it is running WP everything runs a breeze.
I saw a video comparing the performance of the 1520 and the 950XL and there isn't much difference.

Thanks very much for the concise information, really helpful. I might have to consider raising my £100 ceiling :wink:

That only applies if you value the opinion of sheep. Plus people on a WP post will generally be biased towards WP.

Yes, many times but the phones are just too bad, unfortunately. :smiley:

Not being funny, but my experience is based on using 50+ windows phones, a few dozen Android phones, a dozen Android tablets, numerous Android computers, and plenty of iOS devices (not to mention older phones and Blackberrys).

Oh yes, you are really giving creedence to that misguided hypothesis :smiley:

Nothing wrong with sheep; warm in the winter, cool in the summer and very accommodating here in God's Country :sunglasses:

Also a few other plus points - Micro SD Card slot and a really loud speaker. Nokia put everything you'd want in this phone.
Here is the link comparing the Lumia 950 XL and 1520
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxdrjJ073oI

In what regard do you believe my hypothesis is misguided?

Yeah, who needs to think for themselves lol

As usual, the apps obsession rears it's head.

Your forced to use an app or an email client to access them.

Surely even a phone as basic as this can load the non-mobile view of a website?

Of course it can, but Google deliberately redirect Windows phones to the Android Play store apps.

Nope, they go to website proper.

It is quite a nasty anti competitive move by google with the WM phones