Sigh.

Ram cannot be "faster". The higher the Mhz, the longer the latency, meaning they get slower. The difference between 800 mhz and 2400 mhz is almost nothing.

High mhz does NOT equal High Speed.

If you're going to buy RAM, ignore the speed and don't over clock it. Pick a colour you like, a brand you like, and a size you'll need. Everything else is marketing and white noise.

I wouldn't use this RAM simply because it's a brand I've never heard of. You can get 32GB Kingston Fury for £126.

​u r noob

You've not included the deliver charge

ye but if you getting ddr4 You probably getting new processor and new motherboard so...:smiley:

Sigh.

Ram cannot be "faster". The higher the Mhz, the longer the latency, meaning they get slower. The difference between 800 mhz and 2400 mhz is almost nothing.

High mhz does NOT equal High Speed.

If you're going to buy RAM, ignore the speed and don't over clock it. Pick a colour you like, a brand you like, and a size you'll need. Everything else is marketing and white noise.

I wouldn't use this RAM simply because it's a brand I've never heard of. You can get 32GB Kingston Fury for £126.

Not true I'm afraid

yes but if u going to buy computer staff for around £400 u dont cry to pay for next day delivery which is nice safety sealed packed with haribo from overclockers :smiley:)

In English please? Free sweets, speculating that people will be ordering anything else, zero relevance. When posting here you're supposed to quote the price including delivery.

Will the let me buy half for half the price?

Found the OC shill. :smirk:

The delivery price is ridiculous but the RAM price is alright but 8GB is enough for me until the foreseeable future (hopefully prices of DDR4 RAM fall a lot in a few years).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWgzA2C61z4

http://techbuyersguru.com/does-ram-speed-matter-ddr3-1600-vs-1866-2133-and-2400-games?page=1

http://techgage.com/news/as-it-happens-memory-speed-still-doesnt-matter-much/

http://techgage.com/article/intel_core_i7_-_choosing_the_best_memory_kit/

http://techgage.com/article/ocz_2gb_ddr3-1600_titanium_-_intel_xmp_edition/

http://anandtech.com/show/8959/ddr4-haswell-e-scaling-review-2133-to-3200-with-gskill-corsair-adata-and-crucial/


There's hundreds of studies that show it makes no difference. It's a myth.

At best you're going to see a 1% boost.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/HyperX-16-Memory-Skylake-Compatible/dp/B00TY6A1LY/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1452099892&sr=8-1&keywords=kingston+fury+ddr4

Fairly sure it's DDR4, pal =)

Also, for the record, there is no speed difference between ddr3 or ddr4 anyway.

There is...

"The difference between DDR3-2133 and DDR4-2133 was negligible in a number of applications, ranging from Handbrake video conversion to half a dozen different games. DDR3 was slightly faster about half the time, and typically only a few percentages points separated the two memory types." http://www.pcgamer.com/the-differences-between-ddr3-and-ddr4-ram/

"Overall, comparing DDR4 to DDR3, there is little difference to separate the two. In a couple of small instances one is better than the other," http://www.anandtech.com/show/8959/ddr4-haswell-e-scaling-review-2133-to-3200-with-gskill-corsair-adata-and-crucial/8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utWnjA4NzSA - In real world situations it offers you very little.

So far I've provided 10 sources for my arguments, and had 0 against.

RAM is RAM. There is no difference, or very little to the point of not mattering. In real world situations, not bench tests, the difference is 1-5% at best. Most of the time it's below 1%. Anyone that tells you otherwise is either a company trying to sell you over priced stock (Shock, horror, a company lying to you for profit!?!) Or someone who believe said marketing rubbish.

Incorrect. It's going to vary on a game by game basis, with many (if not most) seeing no benefit whatsoever, but there certainly are games which benefit from more memory bandwidth. Digital Foundry have been doing some testing on it lately in fact.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Er_Fuz54U0Y

The Witcher 3, for example, benefited more from faster RAM paired with a stock CPU than it did from slower RAM paired with an overclocked CPU. It isn't just a matter of saying "hurr there's no benefit" any more. People used to say that Hyperthreading did absolutely nothing for gaming either and that you'd never need more than an i5, but that's been proven categorically untrue in the past year or so, with games becoming more heavily threaded and even Hyperthreads offering a performance uplift as a result. To the degree where a stock 2600K will outperform a stock 4670K, despite the IPC deficit.



Blanket statements aren't helpful to anything. Different games are going to prefer more power in different aspects of the system. I'd agree that in most cases this is going to be irrelevant, as people are much more likely to be limited either by their GPU or their monitor's refresh rate, but it's interesting nonetheless.

You're posting old sources testing old games. That Anandtech article, as an example, is absurd. The games they've chosen to test it with are positively ancient. Of course they're not going to see much of a benefit. Some of the other articles you've posted as "proof" aren't even from this decade. They are not relevant to the state of play today.

The video you posted shows a 2 FPS difference in the Witcher 3, between 2133 and 2666. Mind blowing. Well worth the extra money for a difference the eye can't even perceive.

Unity sees a 2FPS difference, on the video you linked.

Far cry 4, 2-4 FPS

Crysis, around 4 FPS

COD, 2-4

These are all numbers from your source, which are all within the "1-5% difference" band I stated above. The performance differences really aren't very impressive. Perhaps in the future this will change, but for the moment the majority of games will run almost exactly the same and even your 'Holy Grail' Witcher example only runs a few frames difference.

The point of the 2008 article was to show that DDR3 speeds, between the "slowest" and the "fastest" still performed almost identical. DDR4 is just a step forward and so the same rule will apply.

RAM speed really doesn't affect games. Sure you might find a few fringe cases (from digital foundry as always) but it's not worth investing money into.

Regardless this is a great deal. Lifetime warranty with Ocuk (who are excellent). Shame the blue leds mightn't be to everyone's taste.

You can underclock memory.

Didn't notice that.

I assume you mean you can get 16GB for £63.50 but there is only one set available and it's 2nd hand so Kingston might not honour warranty.

1600MHz: 36.0/54.6
2133MHz: 39.0/61.0
2400MHz: 44.0/66.9

That's a 22 per cent increase in performance with faster RAM comparing the slowest to the fastest.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2015-the-best-pc-hardware-for-fallout-4-4023

No, you can get it new.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00TY6A1LY/?tag=ho01f-21

£69.99, new for 16GB. Flubit it, comes down to £60-63. Buy 2 and it's 16GB, with warranty for £120~

Here it is.

http://www.techspot.com/review/1089-fallout-4-benchmarks/page6.html

Or avoid the faff and get this for £120 with free DPD delivery.

Good video.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Er_Fuz54U0Y

Aye, the "faff" of copying and pasting a link really is hard on the ole' fingers.

Actual Latency is CAS latency divided by clock speed.
So as clock speeds rise CAS speeds usually rise also and the actual latency tends to stay fairly similar.
So RAM with higher clock speeds is faster than slower RAM but in real world situations it often has little to no impact on performance.

Added. This is actual data:

WTF? Granted it's a great price for the amount of memory, however I personally wouldn't bother with anything other than Crucial, sure it costs more, but the warranty process is the best I've ever dealt with in the industry...
Don't forget this is HotUKDeals - spouting out your "technical knowledge" means little here :wink:

So many uneducated fools in here that find something on the internet and think it's true. I remember them saying "there's no point buying DDR3 because DDR2 is only 1-2% behind" and when Intel released the i5/i7 processors that FULLY used the power of DDR3, that's when retailers stopped stocking DDR2 because it was so far behind.

Yes, at this moment in time while DDR4 has ONLY just hit the market properly, there isn't much point upgrading over your DDR3. I guarantee you in a few months that DDR4 will make a big difference though. It's already seen making a difference in certain games and applications.

Personally, I'm holding back on any upgrade, I'll probably wait until Cannonlake in 2017 or Kaby Lake later this year, so I'm stuck with DDR3 and Sandy Bridge for now =)

edit: Rev6 has shown proof above that the higher speed DDR4 can make a massive difference in Fallout 4, he's the only one talking sense in this thread and backing his information up with credible sources.

Not a good deal. I got 4x8gb corsair vengence 2666mhz for £140 including delivery plus u get life time warranty. Also faster ram is helping in new games so rev6 is correct.
The difference will get bigger in time aswell I think as people cross over to ddr4

Where from please?

For MOST applications DDR3 RAM speeds beyond say 1600 makes no difference and DDR3 has been around for ages so why should DDR4 suddenly change this? There is no logic to your fantasy so why can you guarantee something that shows no sign of coming true?

It's £168 on Amazon and then copy the web address in flubit and should be around £140 with there offer.
Got mine about 6 months ago with no problems. It overclocks to 3000mhz or atleast mine did and possible it will go higher but I'm happy at 3000mhz.
Oh and the board I'm using is msi gaming m5 so that could be helping it overclock

This ram u can also overclock to 3000....

I have to ask why do you need so much ram? Unless running multiple VM's, serious question as i've never felt the need for such an extreme amount.

Is never tu much ram in PC Thats how it is m8 :wink:

All you do is knock people's deals that they post and moan from what I have seen, why don't you post your far superior deals.

I think people are missing the point entirely with this one. No you won;t upgrade an entire machine for the 5% increase that DDR4 will give you, but if you're looking at a new machine, you're equally not going to go out and buy DDR3...

This isn't a question of whether DDR3 and DDR4 have a performance difference, they're not both compatible with the same systems, so that point is entirely moot. If you're building a machine now, this is a good deal.

Funny, because I have 16GB of DDR4 Kingston Fury 2133MHz memory in my system. Might want to do your research.

Tech people can get so ridiculous at times. God forbid you spend an extra £5-£10 on a 16GB kit of DDR4 vs DDR3 to have the latest technology which in the future could provide additional advantages to certain applications. Plus the "why get DDR4 when you can get DDR3 for cheaper" argument is redundant when you're upgrading to say for example a LGA 1151 (Skylake) socket, where most motherboards will only accept DDR4 memory. The industry is moving forward, in small steps, but every little helps.

If the memory for the site proves to be reliable then YES this is a good deal.

Ye Its tru i was sure lowest in ddr4 is 2400...so u get the **** ddr4 xd like 1333 ddr3 6-7 years ago ddr4 will be up to 5000mhz+ I think and now we get the worstes ddr4 after 1-2 years the speeds will be growing up... Thats simply is that if u getting new socket This ram is ideal for price but if u got fast ddr3 with good processor u might wait for new processor lines and better ddr4

If your buying this because you want an extra 2-8fps in gaming then you seriously need to look at the rest of your rig first.
My pc has 8gb of DDR2, yes 2 not 3 or 4. it doesnt affect my games because the rest of the hardware is more than enough to achieve 60fps in most games. the few games i cant is because of the GPU and not the ram.

sure as hell dont need DDR3 or DDR4 for gaming. 8gb+ of any ram greater than DDR2 is enough. although any new mobo now will be DDR3 or higher

^^ Yes. DDR4 won't make me buy motherboards and nor will Skylake.
USB3.1 ports and more PCI-e Gen3 lanes will ...

Except there is little point for 'better' DDR4 or most people ans by the time it's releases who knows what pricing will be like!

£149.99 it showing NOW