All sounds grim.....perfect smoothie:

1 x Chicken Madras.
1 x Naan.
1 x 660ml Cobra.

Blitz and drink..

My tortoise loves this.

Great price and perfect for the smoothies. Tbh, when you buy the fresh stuff just put that in the freezer too. What I also do is buy a fresh pineapple, cut that into chunks and freeze that as you can use that in your smoothies and it also acts as a bit of an ice-cube

Kale is good for you, heat added :innocent:

Just a quick message as I have my mother here for until next Thursday but after that, let me know and I can send you some kefir. I keep mine in organic milk and they are growing well.
We were sat watching the new Michael Mosely documentary last night and he touched on smoothies maybe not be that great for you as your body doesn't need too many antioxidants and it actually flushes them out of your body. I'm wondering if there is anything in this and the way I always get sick after smoothies. Maybe my body is trying to get rid of them too quick. I don't know but once family goes home I will look more into this, perhaps email the documentary and find out more about the study.

Wow! Thanks very much. That's lovely of you to offer :innocent: Yes, I am allergic to apples, peaches, plums, amongst other things... all stuff I ate as a kid, no problem. I can only assume it's down to what chemicals they are exposed to these days. I try to stick to Michael Pollan's advice of "Eat food. Not too much. Mostly plants"... but life's too short to deprive myself, frankly, and I'd rather have a chocolate bar or a packet of crisps sometimes; so I do. All about balance, eh!?

Thank you I will check that out. Its not that I can't be doing with it, its more of I don't want to be caught up with it. I've never dieted in my life but I know that the minute something is taken from me, I want it!
As I say, as I get older i'm finding more and more foods that don't like me anymore. I am however a forager and find that anything I eat from the wild is absolutely fine. This makes me think that its ok to eat anything that grows rather than things from a factory. I eat butter and cream but not margarine or substitute stuff.
If you get into kefir, let me know and I will get my grains going again and send you some. I'm off them at the minute so I'm keeping them in the fridge and feeding them slowly.

We will be getting banned for being naughty :smiley:

Don't stop on my account :smiley: Reading with interest, but don't have anything useful to add! Sorry :/

Will do. Thanks very much. Lol... I know... who knew there'd be so much to say on a post about cheap kale at Icelands:p

If I see any I'll let you know :smiley: full of great things :)Thanks :smiley:

Yeah, it's all about body type, what you can and can't eat. Traditional Chinese medicine distinguishes between hot and cold body types, and damp and dry... I think. I'm cold and damp, as were the foods I was eating... which was my problem. If you can eat frozen stuff with no ill effect, then I'm guessing you're hot. It's all very complicated for the uninitiated -and I don't pretend to understand it- I'd just say that if it makes you ill, stop drinking it. If you get upset stomach maybe kefir would help. I'm about to start making it myself. All you need is kefir grains, milk, a jar and a plastic strainer... or so I've been reading. I'm told it's ridiculously easy to make.

Thank you some good (and scary) info there! As i've got older i've found i'm struggling with food I use to eat with no problem. I often get upset stomach but not as much as I do after smoothies, yuk!
I know I ought to do something about it but it seems such a mountain to climb with eliminating certain foods. I was borderline diabetic a few years ago and also i'm at that age when hormones change so it really could be anything.
On a night time I often have a small bowl of frozen fruit and have no problem at all with that. Who would have thought smoothies could make you feel like crap :disappointed:

I'm no smoothie expert but I read in the two juicing books I have somewhere that fruit and veg shouldn't be combined with the exceptions of carrots and apples. Maybe leave out the spinach? I don't know. BUT, I got really ill at one stage and after countless trips to hospital to see a specialist who tried everything in his repertoire to help me, I went to see a chinese medicine doctor... coz I was that desperate. He cured me in five days and I'd been ill for the best part of a year. One of the things I had to stop eating was fruit...all fruit. There was me thinking that my banana soy milk shakes were doing me a power of good. Also cut out avocado (which, yes, is a fruit); soy (I was eating way too much of it... tofu, edamame, even soy milk ice cream); all cold foods, wheat, etc and eat various other, warming things. Got better in no time. Things that are typically considered healthy may not be for you. Like oats... they leave me bloated for days; other people swear by them. Start eliminating things and see how you go...

Well after posting I started feeling shakey, like low sugar or something. That is how I used to feel after smoothies. I've looked on the internet but it looks like its just me! I know i'm not intolerant to anything in the smoothie so it must be something to do with the combination. I don't know but i'm fed up of it. I've just had a tin of sardines to stop me shaking, how weird.

To be truthful, not feeling great myself either, but haven't had one for two days. Had a lot if stressful things going on lately which are now over, so will see what is causing what.

I'm glad you're not feeling sick at least.

I normally do 600ml of various things. If I weigh them they add up to about the weight of a grapefruit, which I don't think is excessive. So I am not convinced quantity is a problem. Maybe speed of absorption is? If you still feel ill, maybe two smaller ones might be better at different times? Or drinking half and putting half in the fridge.

Keep us posted anyway :smiley:

Well i'm still feeling bloated but not actually sick like I was before. I don't put any liquid in though except a teeny bit just to get the mix spinning. I wonder if it really is too much nutrition in one go. I usually drink about half a pint. Will keep monitoring it over the next few days. Also probably better to simplify the amount of ingredients.

Well this thread got me back interested in smoothies after stopping them because I used to feel after drinking them. I have always mixed fruit/leafy greens and yogurt or kefir but I read on the internet that fruit and milk together may not be a good combination as the milk could curdle. So i've just made one with blackberries, spinach, banana, apple and cocoa nibs plus tossed in a few almonds to see if no dairy makes a difference. I do hope so because I used to enjoy them but hated the sick/dizzy feeling they caused :disappointed:

Before the grammar police arrive...

You're welcome :sunglasses:

Your welcome :laughing:

You get it :smile:

So....much....nutribabble. :stuck_out_tongue:

Just enjoy the cheap kale. :laughing:

Ginger is going down well, thank you :smiley:

I like my Kale like I like my women.

Curly?

Heat added. Never tried it, but may when I pop there at weekend

I shall give it a go.. thanks! :smiley:

Really easy! From what I remember I just chucked them in a tub in Feb/March and left them outside in a warm spot :smiley: couldn't really stop them, they got very tall. Seeds were really cheap too.

Don't recommend trying to make mustard though, awful work. Nice greens though :smiley:

If I see any I'll let you know :smiley: full of great things :smiley:

I like this idea if they are easy to grow and I can just shove seeds in a tub!

Thanks. Just thought I'd ask because that's exactly what I ended up doing. I'd actually never heard of them until a Chinese medicine doctor told me to eat them as often as possible, coz of the high iron content. Couldn't find them anywhere. On the plus side, they didn't seem to be too popular with the slugs. Waiting to grow them again...

I grew mine in tubs. They were quite prolific, very easy to grow :smiley: wish I knew where you could buy them.

cheers for this, I love kale but can't always eat it all before it goes off ... hot from me!

On another note, where do you get your mustard greens from, if you don't mind me asking....

my favs are banana, maca powder & mango :smiley: and also banana, acai berry powder & pineapple

Tortoise loves this handy to have in the freezer when weeds in the garden aren't available

Kale is good for you, heat added :innocent:

As we're doing recipes, this is what I have every morning.

Part 1:

Carrot (1 medium)
Raddish (3-5)
Celery (1 stick)
Kale (as much as you can squeeze in)
Milk
Blitz, remove blade

Part 2:

Peanut butter (1 tbsp)
Banana
Dessicated Coconut (1 level tbsp)
Frozen fruit

Makes a 700ml serving, possibly on the large side for some.

What's New and Beneficial About Kale

Kale can provide you with some special cholesterol-lowering benefits if you will cook it by steaming. The fiber-related components in kale do a better job of binding together with bile acids in your digestive tract when they've been steamed. When this binding process takes place, it's easier for bile acids to be excreted, and the result is a lowering of your cholesterol levels. Raw kale still has cholesterol-lowering ability—just not as much.
Kale's risk-lowering benefits for cancer have recently been extended to at least five different types of cancer. These types include cancer of the bladder, breast, colon, ovary, and prostate. Isothiocyanates (ITCs) made from glucosinolates in kale play a primary role in achieving these risk-lowering benefits.
Kale is now recognized as providing comprehensive support for the body's detoxification system. New research has shown that the ITCs made from kale's glucosinolates can help regulate detox at a genetic level.
Researchers can now identify over 45 different flavonoids in kale. With kaempferol and quercetin heading the list, kale's flavonoids combine both antioxidant and anti-inflammatory benefits in way that gives kale a leading dietary role with respect to avoidance of chronic inflammation and oxidative stress

All sounds grim.....perfect smoothie:

1 x Chicken Madras.
1 x Naan.
1 x 660ml Cobra.

Blitz and drink..

Not for frozen Kale but I just had to share this. The most amazing recipe which even made my salad dodging children tuck into Kale like it was chocolate fudge cake.

Drizzle kale with olive oil and sprinkle with a little seasoning salt. Bake until the edges brown but are not burnt, 10 to 15 minutes.

So easy and it makes the stuff taste like crisps I swear to god!

I'm going to leave you all with this thought, do you know what the most dangerous dietary habit is?

Eating nothing. You will die.

Good afternoon.

Cooking goitrogenic vegetables for 6-7 minutes and draining them reduces the goitrogens to about a tenth of the amount when raw.

Spinach (and kale as well actually) contains oxalic acid which binds with calcium and magnesium which causes all manner of problems such as kidney stones. Heating it solves that and also makes it's other nutrients easier to digest.

I don't know of any reasons not to have the others raw though, so far as I'm aware they're all perfectly healthy to consume raw. Flaxseeds / linseeds do contain lignans which are a phytoestrogenic substance. That freaks some people out thinking they're going to get tender nipples or something but most studies I've seen tend to suggest they actually have a positive impact on health, especially cardiovascular.

With the exception of telling people not to preach. Better?

Gonna give this a shot later on today, thanks again :smiley:

I doubt that. Your words not mine :wink:


I am really not trying or interested in working you out.

Oh, the irony!

Kale along with any other goitrogenic vegetable should be eaten cooked. Don't be throwing this in your blender like you do frozen fruit.

Eaten raw it inhibits the uptake of iodine by the thyroid gland among other things.

Raw green smoothies are generally just a bad idea. Don't get me wrong it's better than eating turkey dinosaurs, onion rings and ketchup but greens should be cooked, stick to the fruits in your smoothies.

We have replied to each other equally, surely that makes both of our interests in each other unhealthy.

Just logically I do struggle with you a bit. You're a bit off-key. I'll put down to stress and leave you to your busy Iceland deal posting business. Sorry to bother you :smile:

The ginger will overpower the kale easily...like I said go easy on the ginger. I can take heat "chilli" well but the ginger in the smoothie had me coughing away for a while and it was only thumb sized piece :smiley:

*big yawn* I wouldn't bother trying to work me out, I'm starting to feel your interest is unhealthy.

Just trying to work you out.

You're the kale deal poster who doesn't care what people eat and thinks that kale is commonly considered to have more sugar than fruit?

What exactly is going on here :man:

I think you flew off the handle a bit and need to chill out :smile:

I'm yet to try ginger in a smoothie, thank you for the reminder :smiley: Might cover the kale quite well :smile: The last one I made was nice at the start, but the longer it sat, the more it tasted of kale. It was quite kale tasting by the end!

Recently got a Ninja and have included a random mix of what was available in the house...Sharon fruit, Green apples, carrots, coconut juice, ginger....then kids pointed out kale was a necessity in any "healthy" smoothie and so got a massive bag of kale (still in the fridge after 5 days and haven't checked if gone off yet)...Surprisingly the smoothie was delicious. Note if you can't take heat only use a finger sized piece of ginger!

You're very tedious. Please go and derail something else.

You said this thread was about kale? But you're talking about how little you give a toss about what people eat and going around rating comments on a scale of stupid to something it seems.

And then the weirdness about choosing kale as the protagonist when someone says there was too much sugar in a kale, fruit and vegetable smoothie! That was bizarre!

What's the deal? Are you okay?

I wasn't telling anyone to eat anything. I was simply explaining, I don't give a toss what you eat.

Precisely because I can't be arsed with stupid comments like yours.

If it's about kale then how was I able to call you out on making a silly libertarian statement like 'eat what you wanna eat'?

What has telling people that they should eat any crap they feel like got to do with kale?

Your words.

o/

The thread is about kale, I really don't give two **** what fruit you are consuming. Perhaps your **** care? But I really, really don't.

Nor do I give two **** about what you think of me making smoothies. I am you don't want a break down or everything I eat in a day, which would be the only way to put it into context. Nor do I claim to be a bastion of health. I simply posted a deal for cheap kale.

Bore off.

I just saw your silly libertarian comment and decided to reply. Can you handle it?

What sense does that make. Clearly the sugar was coming from the fruit. Not the kale.

I think you do need me to tell you more. Lets sit you down for an English comprehension class.

To be honest I always thought Kale was a kind of fish :neutral_face:

Yeah you're kewl like that.

Trying to de-rail a thread about a green vegetable, into one about people not looking after their health and public healthcare. Go push your agenda somewhere else.

Really, no one cares about what you think.

I heard there's a government based sugar app out today. Why not post about it in Misc?

Personally, stopped making smoothies in the mornings for me and the missus. We were doing the whole kale, carrot, banana etc thing but prefer just eating fruit and veg. Definitely we ended up eating more sugar last year because of smoothies.

I don't care that you don't care about moneysavingkitten not caring.

Yes but my point is that no-one cares that you don't care, because of public healthcare that we all pay for.

Voted hot but I'd rather put my nuts in the blender then kale and eat anything like this :smile:

Clear enough?

My point is, I don't give a **** what any of yours opinions about food are. It's boring as ****.

Kale, handful of raspberries, a banana, 3 apples, few leaves of spinach, 2 sticks of celery. Blitz it all together.

Pour down the sink and open a can of beer.

When everyone has private healthcare and the NHS is a distant memory, then you can go off and live your libertarian dream.

I eat Kale with my beans on toast. YUM

good price on the frozen kale.

I don't believe in buttering kale. Fascinating isn't it?

Yeah my original comment was just about the fact I don't believe in juicing or blending and would rather steam the kale, I used to juice a lot but didn't find any benefit, people think that because vitamins are good, LOTS is better, but it doesn't work that way and it seems that sugar is probably our worst enemy in the diet, the body sees a smoothie or juice the same as fizzy drink and responds in the same way regarding insulin etc.....anyway ya pays ya money

Anyone know anywhere that sells frozen avocado?

Like I said, I eat butter, it doesn't fuss me none.

I eat butter :neutral_face: Not on kale though.

This has got to be the most preachy thread on HUKD.

Eat what you wanna eat. If that's a kilo of kale or a kilo of butter, it doesn't really bother me. I'll eat what I wanna eat.

Recipes very welcome, cut out the telling other people what to do though please, everyone.

Yeah it actually is, butter is healthy, most fats are very healthy, you need to know more about nutrition than what the bbc tell you, anyway, fat being bad was a health department mistake, they reduced fat in foods and replaced it with sugar.....obesity kept rising....

Kale is very nutritious but I would rather steam it with some sweet potatoe and add butter mmmmm...,.thats why we have teeth.....to chew food.....smoothies and juices aren't healthy, I used to juice carrots and greens with a champion juicer for years and feel better without....

good find, I usually buy the fresh stuff from Tesco. use it in my vegetable soup. heat

Issue is when you blend fruits etc, you can drink far more than you could if you were to just eat them whole.

Give the documentary 'That sugar film' a watch.

Questions sugar intake over just calories.. Made me think twice anyway.

Let's just say this isn't for you and leave it at that then? Yes?

Thank you for the links :smile: I have tried kale crisps, but not the others :smiley:

Wheres the best place for price per pound on frozen blueberries ? as most frozen fruit ive seen come in a really small quantity for around £1.50-£2.

Yes I have read all this information before. They are more likely to use a natural alternative

The issue with water is if you try and drink it way too fast then you could drown :smirk:

If you're aware of some people who are putting a lot of portions of high sugar fruit in their blenders then you might have a point if you were talking to them. There's considerably more sugar in the ~200ml of apple/orange juice I use for liquid when blending than in all the solid fruit and vegetable combined.

​no just twigs

Yes sorry I know everything is made of chemicals. I just make sure to know what type of pesticides is used to make sure they are not toxic:)

Heat OP.
Also thanks to "various" for the additional recipes and tips, here are 3 more from the BBC programme Landward;

Fresh kale smoothie
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/articles/Mx6txj9mvSJMsN1dNQQ47c/fresh-kale-smoothie
Fresh kale soup
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/articles/1d1P0vQ62Qp8NTX2m4rcQDd/fresh-kale-soup
Crunchy kale crisps
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/articles/59mT9V9Jsm8tl1RDG3M3WLY/crunchy-kale-crisps
(well it is a Scottish programme so one had to involve deep frying in oil <3 , actually a tasty, homemade alternative to crisps).

That simply isn't true. http://www.soilassociation.org/frequentlyaskedquestions/yourquestion/articleid/2359/do-you-allow-the-use-of-pesticides

It is also worth noting, that farms without organic certification may actually use less pesticides than organic farms. It's just their soil is certified. Getting soil certified is a very expensive and time consuming process.

http://www.organicfarmers.org.uk/about-organics/faqs/ states that using pesticides is okay 'where there are no natural or system-based alternatives, and then as a last resort'.

Everything is made of chemicals though. Copper sulphate and pyrethrum are "organic" pesticides and sound like chemicals to me. They're also more acutely and chronically toxic than commonly used conventional pesticides as this Scientific American article explains. It also discusses how organic is not safer, is not healthier and any nutritional differences aren't significant.

Unsurprisingly the multibillion pound organic industry doesn't attempt to correct the myths and misconceptions out there. If you can afford organic then it's not a huge issue, however I do think it's an issue for some people. For example, those on a budget who are convinced they have to get organic for the same reasons you have suggested or else they will experience negative consequences.

If soil associated certified organic,they will not use chemical pesticides. Also organic is better for you:) I just try my best to eat better.Organic is safer if certified:) I always check to know if pesticides are used

I have a privet hedge in my garden and it's free

If it's too thick just add milk (in it's different varieties depending on your allergy) it makes a great shake instead of a smoothie. You could of course add good old fashioned water but if it's the weekend then vodka is my preferred choice.

Have been noticing that with other fruits, not enough liquid and it doesn't blend at all! I was quite confused about that to begin with :smiley:

you do need to experiment with the liquid content, as it comes out too smooth and thick sometimes!

Will add avocados to my list, thanks :smile:

Try 1 frozen banana, half an avocado, skimmed milk, half teaspoon of honey(or vanilla if you want)
trust me, comes out smooth as silk and tastes awesome.

Heat for the item and the interesting conversation :smiley:

It is not organic so full of pesticides:(

Chop up bananas and freeze them. Half a banana gives the smoothy bulk and creaminess. I've been freezing kale, think this will work out cheaper. Also bags of summer fruits from Farmfoods are pretty reasonable. Thanks.

I grow the straight variety's which I imagine would be better for freezing
The best greens to grow and freeze are dwarf beans and peas

coconut water, matcha tea, almond butter, spinach, oats and Brazil nuts (both normally soaked in water the night before), banana and something to sweeten (frozen berries normally): breakfast

Thank you for the links, I will check them out :smiley:

You've been enabled :smile: I would definitely try growing it if I had the space :smiley:

I've never thought of trying to freeze it but I will now! Might even have a bash at growing my own :confused:

this is awesome before and after workouts or to completely replace meals.
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2wq2xn

page 71 on this pdf in link below
http://blogs.sapo.pt/cloud/file/6606a178bcbd75d38f74d3675a9448e2/01.%20UFC%20Fit%20-%20The%20Dolce%20Diet%20-%20Living%20Lean.pdf



also this
1 beet with leaves
4 apples
2 sticks celery(optional)
2 Tbsp chia seeds,Juice beets, apples and celery together and pour into glass. Stir in chia seeds and enjoy!

I add the coconut milk for numerous reasons , its very good for you , it makes the smoothie creamier , it hides the taste of the beetroot as beetroot has a very earthy taste .its personal preference I know but sometimes it's the only way of getting these veggies into peoples diets .

Yuk. Most disgusting **** ever. Prefer grass :man:

I like the sound of beetroot :smiley: Thanks for the suggestions :smiley: Do you use the coconut milk for nutrition or for a bit of creaminess? I've been avoiding because it's quite calories heavy and subbing in natural yoghurt instead.

​some other things I put in my smoothies ,I start with some frozen spinach from Iceland ,at this stage you need some juice i lidl multivitamin juice ,then I add a pack of cooked beetroot from home bargains 29p, add some more juice some frozen kale,frozen mixed berries from Iceland then I add a tin of coconut milk from lidl and then add the rest of the ltr carton of juice and we have a glass of this each morning with breakfast .I know this won't suit everyone but its a good way of getting these veg into the kids and teenagers .

​some other things I put in my smoothies ,I start with some frozen spinach from Iceland ,at this stage you need some juice i lidl multivitamin juice ,then I add a pack of cooked beetroot from home bargains 29p, add some more juice some frozen kale,frozen mixed berries from Iceland then I add a tin of coconut milk from lidl and then add the rest of the ltr carton of juice and we have a glass of this each morning with breakfast .I know this won't suit everyone but its a good way of getting these veg into the kids and teenagers .

Great find, every time I buy it fresh half the bag ends up in the bin as it seems to go off quite fast.

My tortoise loves this.

Mine from the garden freezes very well :smiley:
great price hot

Sounds nice, thank you :smiley: I'm going to have to get my hands on some blueberries. I think they're the only think on that list I haven't got yet. I haven't tried seeds in smoothies yet, but should really give that a go. Have tons in the cupboard and been wanting to eat more flax seeds :smiley:

My usual is kale (or baby spinach), pineapple (or mango), apple, banana, blueberries (again, you can buy frozen blueberries which is a lot cheaper than fresh) and then a handful of mixed seeds (flax, sesame, sunflower and pumpkin). But I also just throw in anything that's lying around!!

Great price and perfect for the smoothies. Tbh, when you buy the fresh stuff just put that in the freezer too. What I also do is buy a fresh pineapple, cut that into chunks and freeze that as you can use that in your smoothies and it also acts as a bit of an ice-cube