Recently launched Wileyfox Swift 4G Dual SIM unlocked Smartphone, usually £129.99, runs CyanogenOS, a privacy oriented version of Android, related to the well known CyanogenMod firmware.
Phone is unlocked so works with any network, can take two micro-sims and a memory card simultaneously. Battery is easily swappable (a nice feature these days).
Was the same price last week for one day, Wileyfox's 'Grey Thursday'! Guess they sold a bucket load then so are having another go.
Only downside is that there aren't too many cases and covers available yet, but you can get Orzly branded tempered glass screen protectors from Amazon/ebay.
Top comments
David23
4 Dec 153#17
This really is no better than the Andriod phones you can get from China. In fact it is just a generic rebranded phone from China just with advertising stating how British it is!
Latest comments (113)
pontprennau
16 Dec 15#113
The doogee doesn't have LED notifications either so i guess the fox might be better :smiley:
hackerace
16 Dec 15#112
yea I was also looking at this phone, but I need a phone with good camera thats why I was thinking fox, I also looked at other brand such at elephone p6000 pro and umi emax mini, was set on buying umi but found out it dosnt have led notifications, so still looking for a budget phone with good specs and decent camera.
pontprennau
16 Dec 15#111
Well I just use it for whats app facebook etc. but it seems plenty fast enough for me. have slapped a 64gb card in it with music and maps installed and it seems to perform perfectly. No lags or lockups.
The camera takes pictures which are !adequate" not sure the fox is more advanced enough to be worth more than twice the price, having said that at some point I want a much better specced camera so will either go for a good dual sim android OR a dual sim windows 950 (android is looking more likely since MS dropped their android app integration :\)
hackerace
16 Dec 15#110
the fox has better specs and camera, how is the doogee?
pontprennau
16 Dec 15#109
Didn't even open the fox as the doogee will suffice for now and it growing on me by the day :smiley:
pontprennau
8 Dec 15#103
Mine arrived today, I also had a Doogee X5 Pro arrive today too, now whiuch one is better I wonder :\
hackerace to pontprennau
16 Dec 15#108
I am also looking at getting one of these, which one is better. how is the camera on the fox?
Gollywood
9 Dec 15#104
None of my chargers seem to fit the Swift.
They don't click into place last like I'm other phones & just fall out.
Tried 3-4 leads in the house that we use every day with no joy
Obviously supplied lead is ok but this worries me so slightly
Any one else have this issue?
hecatae to Gollywood
10 Dec 15#106
My Amazon Fire 2015 cable fits perfectly and clicks into place
bigsipie to Gollywood
11 Dec 15#107
why would this worry you?
ought
8 Dec 15#102
Has anybody got theirs yet?
If so, how are you finding it?
Actionnotwords69 to ought
9 Dec 151#105
Wow!!.....got mine last night....initial reaction....very nice device.... looks great. (even the packaging looks great!!) Performance wise - UI is very slick, fast and responsive. Everything working and had a Cyanogen update striaght after initial boot. Camera appears fine, but yet to fully test that. Sound system is brilliant. Only things missing from it are WiFi 5.0 mhz and NFC which I had on my old Sony M2. For under a £100 quid....no complaints. :sunglasses:
Gollywood
6 Dec 15#100
What happens to the ones that people return back to Amazon? Not seen 'refurbs' or any 'open box' Swift's for sale anywhere
Ajibee to Gollywood
6 Dec 15#101
Given their lack of accessories and minimal web site features I expect it'll be a while before they get around to dealing with returns, though perhaps Amazon will punt some through Warehouse Deals.
Ajibee
6 Dec 151#99
Free within the first week or if you return the item as not fit for purpose intended or some other reasons, not free if it's just that you changed your mind.
None that I recall seeing or hearing of, though given the nuge number of Swifts they've shifted I suppose the might try something similar with the Storm - suppose it depends on margins and quantity of product available vs. demand.
HTH.
Gollywood
5 Dec 15#98
Have there been any deals on the Storm?
Gollywood
5 Dec 15#97
Amazon free returns I think
dwattsy21
5 Dec 15#96
Sorry just saw this now. Nus gives 5% off orders sold & despatched by amazon. Log in here and you get a promotional code (presume different for everyone)
Don't forget your £5 Amazon discount if you have an NUS card. Hot
LankyChris to dwattsy21
5 Dec 15#95
Didn't know about the? How or where do I get this?
Ajibee
5 Dec 15#94
How tedious. Ignorant, rude, aggressive, self-entitled whiners such as you really do spoil HUKD for the decent majority.
quakerphil
5 Dec 15#93
Expired
Babbler
4 Dec 151#88
Bought the ultra in the end for 100.
jaydeeuk1 to Babbler
5 Dec 15#92
Wise choice
little_green
4 Dec 151#91
Oh that's interesting to know, thanks. Though paying return postage is a hassle lol
little_green
4 Dec 15#89
Argh been looking at this all day but just can't justify a 3rd phone
Ajibee to little_green
4 Dec 151#90
Amazon purchases in November and December are returnable until January 31st of the following year, so you could always order one at the cheap price and keep it, ideally unopened, for six or seven weeks and then return it for a full refund if you haven't changed your mind or done something with your existing phone(s) in the meantime. HTH.
overworked
4 Dec 15#86
does anyone know if otg USB works with this?
maxp779
4 Dec 15#85
Cool so if the battery dies you can just pop a spare in and keep going eh? Sat in an office meeting with bits of your phone scattered across the table fumbling around trying to get a new battery in sounds great to me, sign me up! :smiley:
maxp779
4 Dec 151#84
Tell that to my 4 year old galaxy S2 that's been through two battery changes... Still works like it did on day 1, and it runs a relatively recent version of cyanogenmod so its as up to date as the latest phones today.
Had mine 2 weeks and happy so far. Seems good and liking cyanogen.
Haven't tried GPS yet.
Battery just about lasts a day for me.
Only issue I've had so far is screen sometimes ignores the brightness setting and gets stuck on a brightness, often full brightness. When it happens changing the setting doesn't do anything but it seems to sort itself after a bit so not a major issue and assuming it's probably a software bug.
broke_techy
4 Dec 15#81
got this one, really pretty good for a cheapo 4g and no faffing about getting CM on it. heated!
happyharry
4 Dec 151#80
bought last week on `grey thursday`. really pleased, nice size, nice screen. battery life good for me but i dont use as a media device (music/films). easily lasts a day & a half. build quality is v good but the star for me is CM, i like it a lot! cant comment on camera as i havent used it for anything serious. call quality is excellent. i can only recommend but lack of cases is hacking me off a bit i must say. come on WF pull your finger out!! hope this helps
guru_the
4 Dec 151#73
Any able to use SKY GO on this phone?
wirly to guru_the
4 Dec 15#79
Just use Mobdro ( third party app) on all my android devices and can cast to TV
ChampionshipManager
4 Dec 151#78
This is an astute signing as any for a backup phone.
jaydeeuk1
4 Dec 15#77
3 apps which can be uninstalled straightaway isn't exactly 'full of bloat' imo. By the time the battery is as knackered as the battery on the willy is new, it will be out of date anyway. So yeah, easy choice really.
r4do
4 Dec 15#76
three.co.uk supports only 3/4g, no 2g/gsm, on my honor 7 only 4g/gsm, so I think I'll give it a try, as I need three for calls and ee for 4g, thanks!
Actionnotwords69
4 Dec 15#75
I've got a Sony M2 which has become very laggy, even with the lollipop upgrade the other month.....so I've ordered too - hope I like it......Prime service and delivery on Tuesday!!??.....I'll be cancelling the free trial after Xmas..... :man:
golfer2007
4 Dec 15#64
Prime delivery for next Tuesday WTF?
formsm2000comp to golfer2007
4 Dec 15#65
Mate mine said the same, but its on preparing to dispatch already. I want it to be held up so i can get the Nationwide £25 cashback before its dispatched which i have only just noticed!
Really tempted to cancel order until i have signed up for the rewards.
riconet42 to golfer2007
4 Dec 151#74
Free standard delivery (non-prime) for Monday 7th... :confused:
Ajibee
4 Dec 15#72
Dearie me, such anger, aggression and personal abuse! All I was suggesting is that it's not the end of the world, is it? And if you think Amazon are really so bad complain to them or take your business elsewhere rather than whining profanely and then being rude and aggressive about a suggestion that you calm down!
formsm2000comp
4 Dec 15#71
I have cancelled but it said it might not be able to because its due for dispatch.
Not got this Nationwide after using two email addresses, a few hours left i guess.
Ajibee
4 Dec 15#70
A good way of slowing things up is to use a credit card that is on or over its limit, so long as it doesn't cost you extra, or better yet, a credit card no. that has been replaced (but is still otherwise valid datewise) - that way Amazon will give you five days of reminders to update your payment details - one way of saving a temporarily discounted price until you want to pay for it (or have a think about it before committing yourself!).
golfer2007
4 Dec 15#69
Sign up for the nationwide deal and order another, then cancel the first one. simples :smile:
formsm2000comp
4 Dec 15#68
Yeah i guess but knowing my luck will cancel and be OOS then.
Can't see it taking till Tuesday if it gets dispatched today so thats why im tempted to hold on. Think it will say preparing for dispatch for afew days.
Onza40
4 Dec 151#62
Bought one of these a little while ago and absolutely love it, would highly recommend, especially at this price.
For anyone comparing to cheap Chinese smartphones, this is a whole different league and doesn't come packed with bloatware and you don't have to worry about child labour!
ChampionshipManager to Onza40
4 Dec 15#67
Do you remember when they uncovered child labour in Apple's supply chain?
golfer2007
4 Dec 15#66
Well the deal ends in 7 hours so you could cancel and order again later
Qrunch
4 Dec 15#63
No I can't.
Feel free to look..
trogggy
4 Dec 15#61
'can you show a link to redmi note 2 pro for same or better price please'
Followed by your link to a Redmi 2.
Qrunch
4 Dec 15#60
Did I ever say note? Ever.?
trogggy
4 Dec 15#59
That's a Redmi 2, not a Redmi Note 2.
Totally different phone.
Jafaman
4 Dec 15#22
I bought this phone last week from amazon, using it while my z3 compact is in for repair. When it is repaired I'll be keeping the swift and selling the compact, the camera might not be as good but for the price tag and customisation tweaks that can be made I think the swift is fantastic.
londonstinks to Jafaman
4 Dec 15#58
just ordered one while my z3 compact is also in for repair, serious build quality issues with z3 compact, selling as soon as it comes back.
Shame it isn't 1080p, and has a poorer CPU and crap battery life compared to the smart 6 ultra which is often £100. I bet a lot of phone manufacturers are seething with rage at ZTE and Vodafone for ruining the budget end market.
maxp779 to jaydeeuk1
4 Dec 151#55
Smart ultra 6 comes loaded with bloat and the battery is irreplaceable so when that dies your phone is as good as dead.
Wileyfox swift has good battery life a strong modern quad core, removable battery and bloatless cyanogenmod. Easy choice IMO.
quyenpm
4 Dec 15#54
Arrived today morning, nice build. But I may return and wait for xperia c4 as its camera is terrible.
hackerace
4 Dec 15#53
how does this compare with say elephone p6000 pro or doogee x5 pro?
you also got umi emax mini.
IainM1903
4 Dec 15#52
Yes, I use a Tesco Mobile SIM and it works fine on 4G. I also use a 3 SIM on 4G (as others have stated you can only use one of the SIMs on 4G at a time).
GigahurtzUK
4 Dec 15#51
How does the extended warranty and screen insurance work? On the Wileyfox website it says you can extend warranty and screen insurance for £9.99 each. It says purchase at time of purchase but no option on Amazon etc.
nightshot
4 Dec 15#50
my 1st order using the prime now app, takes £10 off the total, have to live in a prime now area
Actionnotwords69
4 Dec 15#39
Will this work with all UK 4G operators? I'm currently with Tesco Mobile.
saunderscowie to Actionnotwords69
4 Dec 15#47
I would like to know this too
acholmes2000 to Actionnotwords69
4 Dec 15#49
yes its uk spec
nightshot
4 Dec 15#40
ordered one via prime now for £90, awesome deal, heat added
acholmes2000 to nightshot
4 Dec 15#48
howdid you get 90 mine showing 100 and I'm prime?
tempo
4 Dec 15#46
Nice one, Im relly tempted to buy this and combining the offer available at the moment with nationwide. Just have to buy a email voucher fom amazon of £100 so I qualify for £25 cashback, so use the e-voucher to buy this phone making it effectively at £75..... bargain if it works..... am brave enough?
formsm2000comp
4 Dec 15#44
That's disappointing but thought that would be the case after reading up online. Looks like I'll have to go move to another network after I've used my payg credit.
eqlolxd
4 Dec 15#43
These look pretty good but not sure about the camera, battery life & screen resolution
I've had the phone for a month with no complaints, it's fast, really excellent battery life, and duel SIMs have proved really useful.
But it's the Cyanogen OS which is so impressive (based on Android 5.1.1).
If you are after a 5" Android phone with these specs and a UK warrantee at this price it's hard to beat.
tearfly to siskin
4 Dec 15#42
What's the bottom speaker like on it, not too tinny I hope? Also has anyone commented on the call quality?
formsm2000comp
4 Dec 15#27
Really tempted by this. Finally dual sim active. Non active dual sim have the same functionally as taking the cover off and cellotaping a sim on the phone.
Says on Amazon that the dual SIM, one can only do 2G. My main sim is 3. That would roam to pick up another carrier for 2g calls and texts? The other sim would be 4g EE data.
siskin to formsm2000comp
4 Dec 152#35
My usage suggests it supports up to 4g on 1 SIM and up to 3g on the other.
guptalloyd to formsm2000comp
4 Dec 15#41
I see what your saying, as 3 used to fall back to Orange/EEs 2G network (less common now and only in remote areas), but the 3 SIM itsself will not work in a 2G phone/slot. HTH.
little_green
4 Dec 15#38
Anyone that ordered it last week and received it I would love to hear your first impressions
Richard_Lawrence
4 Dec 151#37
Comprehensive UK based written review, and video, including a detailed section about the CyanogenOS, on the following link:- Wileyfox Swift Review
little_green
4 Dec 15#36
Tempted! I resisted when it was down last week but can I resist again!? Eeek.
Can anyone just list the honest pros and construction of this phone? Also been looking at th p8 lite, how do they compare?
tearfly
4 Dec 15#29
Considering buying this but can anyone tell me what the update situation is with Cyanogenmod? Does it get updates? What happens when Android 6.0 is released, does it get that too? I'm not sure how Cyanogen works.
siskin to tearfly
4 Dec 151#34
I've had a Cyanogen OS OTA update. I did read a couple of weeks ago it's getting Android 6.0 but I can't remember the source, sorry.
benfisher1991
4 Dec 15#33
Bought the old man it for xmas.
Should be a nice upgrade over his dog slow iphone 4.
Actionnotwords69
4 Dec 15#31
Anyone able to confirm if they have had any issues with GPS on this phone? :neutral_face:
humadoon to Actionnotwords69
4 Dec 15#32
no issues with GPS
tonydouble
4 Dec 15#26
I have a Nexus 5 with CM12 on it but the battery has given up on me, lasts a few hours at most.
Has anyone had both and would consider this a suitable alternative? Not too fussed about NFC etc, just want something which will last me a day of moderate use?
DynaMight to tonydouble
4 Dec 151#30
Just replace the battery in your Nexus 5. For some reason, the batteries in the Nexus 5 have a short life span, the wifes went really bad about 3 months ago, wouldnt even last 6 hours. Bought a replacement battery from eBay and now it lasts the whole day with 60-70% left.
It's fairly easy to replace too, theres plenty of Youtube guides.
Qrunch
4 Dec 15#14
This is no better than the Redmi 2 pro for example, which can be bought for less and has off screen buttons.
Before this phone goes all Moto G.
I have both, will be sending the swift back or giving it to a relative I think.
It *is a bargain just saying that it's not the the only phone for this price / spec.
Edit
I've found how it may beat the Redmi and perhaps other Chinese phones, 4g.
Still not enough to make it better IMHO
stuntman9883 to Qrunch
4 Dec 15#28
can you show a link to redmi note 2 pro for same or better price please
golfer2007
4 Dec 15#25
so uri geller's doing phone reviews now :smile:
mjpower4
4 Dec 151#24
Not enough internal stroage for me personally but heat for the price and anecdotal rtecviews appear to be good. I would jump in if it was the Storm
SoggyBeans
4 Dec 15#21
Looks good. Great reviews apart from lack of accessories.
It looks like a good alternative to the moto g, but with more emphasis on security and personalisation.
Honeyswift
4 Dec 15#20
My mum bought this phone recently, she's really happy with it.
ollie87
4 Dec 151#19
Must be new.
Sqsq
4 Dec 15#18
5" screen at 720p. If only it had 1080p. Dual-SIM nice.
David23
4 Dec 153#17
This really is no better than the Andriod phones you can get from China. In fact it is just a generic rebranded phone from China just with advertising stating how British it is!
Babbler
4 Dec 151#16
Was tempted but think I will go for vodafone smart ultra.
And now that's down to £100 at amazon I think I will go for that one!
rohitmkiller
4 Dec 15#15
its a Prime Now offer
pengwyn
4 Dec 15#12
Gollywood this is Cyanogenmod a forked version of Android. Would go for this if I didn't get my sisters s6 and I didn't had the 1+ 1. I really like Cyan but not technical enough to put it on myself. This ticks the box but wouldn't be enough improve over my 1+ 1.
weixuweixu to pengwyn
4 Dec 15#13
1+1 is still better then this, you are right not to change, it wouldnt be an upgrade. but this seems good deal, specs comparable to import but from Amazon for little more money. hot added
quyenpm
4 Dec 15#10
Trust in this build quality than UT6. Ordered with £10 off for prime now bring it to £90 and get it tomorrow morning. Cannot expected any more:).
Gollywood to quyenpm
4 Dec 15#11
How do You get £10 off with Prime?
humadoon
4 Dec 15#9
very bad camera resolution
Gollywood
4 Dec 15#6
This or the MotoG 4G 3rd Gen / 8GB?
I don't understand what Android this? KitKat? Lollipop or some hybrid?
Ajibee to Gollywood
4 Dec 15#8
My own experience is that the 8GB of the 1GB/8GB Moto G is too mean for storage space (with not much left after Android's share), so a better comparison would be with the 2GB/16GB Moto G, the same as this Wileyfox, but at a much higher price compared to today's Wileyfox deal. HTH.
Gollywood
4 Dec 15#7
MotoG all day battery is a usually clincher for me but don't know enough about the Swift
Rarnik
4 Dec 15#2
This was posted earlier and has disappeared. Wraggy??
Ajibee to Rarnik
4 Dec 151#5
No, there was a duplicate post one minute after I posted this, which was within five minutes of the price cut. HTH.
tranceazure3933
4 Dec 15#4
basically its this or su6 or idol 3 or an import cant decide.su6 seems best value.my son has it but its larger than it needs to be for screen size the idol has the best speakers and this seems to have the best skin
MadeInBeats
4 Dec 15#3
On my watch list... just a lack of covers and cases putting me off ATM.
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Opening post
Phone is unlocked so works with any network, can take two micro-sims and a memory card simultaneously. Battery is easily swappable (a nice feature these days).
- 2GB Ram
- 16GB onboard storage
- upto 32GB micro SDHC card (though mine runs happily with 64GB)
Was the same price last week for one day, Wileyfox's 'Grey Thursday'! Guess they sold a bucket load then so are having another go.
Only downside is that there aren't too many cases and covers available yet, but you can get Orzly branded tempered glass screen protectors from Amazon/ebay.
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The camera takes pictures which are !adequate" not sure the fox is more advanced enough to be worth more than twice the price, having said that at some point I want a much better specced camera so will either go for a good dual sim android OR a dual sim windows 950 (android is looking more likely since MS dropped their android app integration :\)
They don't click into place last like I'm other phones & just fall out.
Tried 3-4 leads in the house that we use every day with no joy
Obviously supplied lead is ok but this worries me so slightly
Any one else have this issue?
If so, how are you finding it?
None that I recall seeing or hearing of, though given the nuge number of Swifts they've shifted I suppose the might try something similar with the Storm - suppose it depends on margins and quantity of product available vs. demand.
HTH.
http://www.nus.org.uk/en/nus-extra/discounts/save-5-on-even-more-at-amazon/
Haven't tried GPS yet.
Battery just about lasts a day for me.
Only issue I've had so far is screen sometimes ignores the brightness setting and gets stuck on a brightness, often full brightness. When it happens changing the setting doesn't do anything but it seems to sort itself after a bit so not a major issue and assuming it's probably a software bug.
Really tempted to cancel order until i have signed up for the rewards.
Not got this Nationwide after using two email addresses, a few hours left i guess.
Can't see it taking till Tuesday if it gets dispatched today so thats why im tempted to hold on. Think it will say preparing for dispatch for afew days.
For anyone comparing to cheap Chinese smartphones, this is a whole different league and doesn't come packed with bloatware and you don't have to worry about child labour!
Feel free to look..
Followed by your link to a Redmi 2.
Totally different phone.
Item # 262093117355
http://www.modaco.com/forums/topic/375672-youtube-smart-ultra-6-teardown-video/?do=findComment&comment=2263091
Wileyfox swift has good battery life a strong modern quad core, removable battery and bloatless cyanogenmod. Easy choice IMO.
you also got umi emax mini.
Here is a good review with camera pictures & a comparison to the moto g (2015)
http://www.trustedreviews.com/wileyfox-swift-review-camera-page-3
Having cyanogenmod source is also a bonus unlike the chinese mediatek based phones.
On a sidenote, the phone looks similar to the Cherry Mobile Android One G1: http://www.cherrymobile.com.ph/one/
http://www.gadgetpilipinas.net/2015/09/cherry-mobile-android-one-g1-review-one-month-later/
But it's the Cyanogen OS which is so impressive (based on Android 5.1.1).
If you are after a 5" Android phone with these specs and a UK warrantee at this price it's hard to beat.
Says on Amazon that the dual SIM, one can only do 2G. My main sim is 3. That would roam to pick up another carrier for 2g calls and texts? The other sim would be 4g EE data.
Wileyfox Swift Review
Can anyone just list the honest pros and construction of this phone? Also been looking at th p8 lite, how do they compare?
Should be a nice upgrade over his dog slow iphone 4.
Has anyone had both and would consider this a suitable alternative? Not too fussed about NFC etc, just want something which will last me a day of moderate use?
It's fairly easy to replace too, theres plenty of Youtube guides.
Before this phone goes all Moto G.
I have both, will be sending the swift back or giving it to a relative I think.
It *is a bargain just saying that it's not the the only phone for this price / spec.
Edit
I've found how it may beat the Redmi and perhaps other Chinese phones, 4g.
Still not enough to make it better IMHO
It looks like a good alternative to the moto g, but with more emphasis on security and personalisation.
And now that's down to £100 at amazon I think I will go for that one!
I don't understand what Android this? KitKat? Lollipop or some hybrid?