Ahhhhh, that's the cause of my erectile dysfunction. ?....:disappointed:

Have you been eating porridge for the past 8 years

Based on what? My wife's Smart Roadster has well over 100k miles on it's 700cc turbocharged engine. As with anything look after it and it will last, abuse it and it won't.

Get a 2nd hand bmw.... Just kidding. Happy Christmas to all

I think you'll be looking at getting about 40-48MPG I do in my 1.0Turbo

I'm getting around 38mpg and that's with a light right foot around town. Worse engine I've known for mpg. My 8year old 1.4 non turbo got over 42!

Do you get a free barbie :stuck_out_tongue:

Get a 2nd hand bmw.... Just kidding. Happy Christmas to all

I got my twingo new for a slightly more than this although the model down (but I added some extras) it is a great little city car

Nothing amazing about the price. Autotrader is awash with nearly new Twingos, there's even 65 plates available for similar money, which will always be worth a bit more than a 15 plate and have more warranty left.

Alright if you don't want to keep it too long. A turbo on such a small engine, that engine aint going to last like a bigger one. My bet is most wont make it 100k miles

How does this compare to Fiat 500?

You put the same loads and stresses through small components and they wear faster, it's been known for decades

Well we are all doomed then as before long most engines will be turbocharged. :disappointed: Anybody want to buy a Bugatti Veron I need to find something with a bigger naturally aspirated engine! :smiley:

Ahhhhh, that's the cause of my erectile dysfunction. ?....:disappointed:

Purely from a fleet management point of view, you put people in turbo cars, even if they are small and people enjoy the boost sensation! The more you want your turn to spin the more exhaust gases you need so you keep your foot down longer, also the more boost fun you get, vicious cycle!

None of the cars on our fleet really every meet the MPGs expected (not the manufacturers figures but what we would expect), except Prius/Lexus's and to a point the Outlander PHEV hybrid.

Give people the keys to a card, turbo diesel or other wise and they don't pay for fuel (or pay a tax on some of it) and you see MPG plummet!

But this for £8K seems nice. You know from what people have written and is on a few forums that MPG is not all that great but otherwise they appear not to be too bad a car.

8k for a rear engined car! Bargain

Did VW help them out with the figures by any chance?... :wink:

It's a good job component materials have also improved then isn't it?
They ain't all made from the same stuff you know :smiley:

Also, in a smaller, lighter car the components aren't necessarily being put under the same loads and stresses are they.

It's French, no thanks and look at it, it's hideous like most French cars, Renault cactus yuk.

Materials have improved slightly but not that much, the biggest improvement is in machining technique and tolerances. Things like chroming of cylinders has got softer due to environmental laws around the process and chemicals involved. At some point you can't avoid the laws of physics. The only way we will know for sure is how many will still be around in 10 years time.

Great price, it's funny to read people say they won't buy it because it's French... I've had two Renaults as has my Stepdad none have missed a beat, my stepdad gave the 2005 1.5 diesel Megane to my sisters boyfriend and it has almost 200,000 miles on it now.. Still going strong nothing other than routine servicing as per the schedule.

cheap car, but if someone young the vw polo for 10k with free insurance was a pretty good deal, considering insurance can cost 2-3k for a young driver :smiley:

Is the scrappage deal still around?

My Smart Brabus Roadster with a 700cc turbo remapped engine had nearly 90k and was still going strong before I sold her.

Think it's just missing the leather. That's main dealer advertised price too, I'd expect a generous part ex price or a reduction on top.
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201511309107732

Its a Renault.

But the understanding Stu Elllis about small cars is posting is true, but its more to do with the engine nowadays than other build quality when piling on the miles. (Although there is some truth that bigger cars they will tend to overengineer, e.g. speeds designed to go to 150mph instead of probably 100mph in your small car, so bearings etc will likely be better).

If you use it as a town car it will be fine, but I wouldn't for a motorway car, for umpteen reasons

The point about small cars is like all other cars, it will become uneconomical when most running gear related stuff has failed, or the engine fails.
But with engines getting smaller then this end of the reliability scale, gets more unrealiable as there is more wear going into it, the journals and big end bearings and top end, cylinder head are all likely to be having to do more RPM due to different gearings than a big car.

Take a big engine like my 2.0 TSI (turbo so it can still fail yes), but its 220hp and 6 gears manual (DSG has 7).
You can pootle around in this thing, at say, 80mph, the revs will be low, whilst in your Renault you will be thrashing the hell out of it to keep up !

But when you are thrashing it trying hard to try keep up you will of course be wearing out the engine components far faster for the same speeds. Fact.
Plus the economy isn't quite correct because when you are really pushing that small engine its not at its peak (claimed) efficiency anyway.

If you plan to do 60mph everywhere this will be diminished somewhat, but going back to my point on motorways, who wants to be stuck in a car like that on a mway anyway.

I'm not saying its a bad thing, or a bad car, just good to be forewarned with the facts and if you are buying one of these its hopefully as a town car for your sake!

Yes exactly. While the seats are not normally that big a deal they are much nicer than the basic model ones. I'd much prefer nicer trimmed seats than people who moan about the quality of the plastic under the steering wheel. When we replace the C1 (if she ever dies) probably the only upgrade I will pay for will be the seats.
Merry Xmas. :smiley:

It doesn't look like too bad, as a girls car, to be fair? If my wife needed a car update, this wouldn't be bad for her

But it would have to be a cold day in hell before I'm ever seen dead driving one though :wink:

A car is designed to get you from point A to point B. always amuses how much snobbery there is when one of these deals appears.

"I wouldnt be seen dead driving one."

what an odd comment. Still whatever floats your boat.

​same here, for me a car is a tool just like a tv or bed or fridge not an extension of my manhood.

Its not brand snobbery or anything, I wouldn't want to be seen dead driving one because its quite obviously a girls car in its design, very similar to that of Fiat 500 (if not practically stealing its styling directly from!), and I don't want to be mistaken for a hairdresser or something.
And the same applied to that for model also.

If you don't believe me I suggest you start doing some gender stats on the cars you come across driving about and seem how many male vs female are driving them, they are quite patently female oriented cars whether you choose to like it or not !

Well observed, Sherlock.

No, just plain snobbery.

Test drove one of these, they're a joke - feel like they're gonna tip over at 50+ MPH. Don't feel safe at all.

Buy a C1/Aygo instead.

Bad copy of Fiat 500

Very cheap tacky copy

Even were that true, why should that be an issue? How many people buy a new car and still have it at 100k? Not many.

Have you tried changing up from second gear!
We have a Twingo with the 0.9tce and get close to 50 despite my gf not having much experience of driving for economy or dog long journeys.

In other words you're saying its quite fun to drive. You'll be better off in a picanto or some other white goods car.

These are rwd are they not?

I do for one (now an old car and worth little on paper, a 1.9 TDI), dunno about anyone else, but I think its increasingly common as buying a new car is bloody expensive, so having paid all that money its nicer to keep it and run into the ground rather than just treat such a large purchas as a disposable product.

How is not wanted to be perceived as a girl, any kind of snobbery ? I think you need a dictionary to look up the term.

Snobbery is defined as "The belief that you are better than other people:pride, arrogance, self-importance... "

Gender confusion has absolutely no relevance to snobbery, it is no more snobbery than preferring to wear trousers to increase my acceptance as a male.

Red bull had the same problem last season crap engine. Is it the same engine what red bull had

That's buying a Jazz out the question then! :laughing:
So are you saying we have to buy a Smart car!? :disappointed:

Rear engined and rear wheel drive. The traction control kicks in relatively early if you drive like a loon but it will move along nicely and you can still get the back end out if you try.

To be fair though, it is a very tall car and not all that heavy so driving at motorway speeds with heavy crosswinds you will notice that it can get blown about a bit more than other city cars.

It's also incredibly spacious compared to a 500, citigo or other cars in this class. Four 6ft people fit easily.

The Smart comes with exactly the same engine as this.

And what piece of automotive art do you drive, a Ford by any chance?

Nice little town car (although I like big cars, suv's) But what does made me laugh is the speedo:


130mph - really?! What's the point putting this figures on speedo when more likely it will lift off the ground at 100mph with airjet sound :smile: Hope it has extend-able wings hidden in sidesX)

The whole point of these small engines is to be 'green', by making them throw away makes all these green credentials pointless.

You do realise your post makes you sound like a moron?

Does that just not cry out "I lack masculinity & need a car to make me feel I have enhanced what is currently failing"

Have you considered starting body building gym sessions too?

Yeah, that Renault Cactus seems to attract ****.

Is it a Porsche Cortina you knock about in presently?

Not at all, no more than the example of, being a man, its nice to wear trousers, rather than a skirt.

You can take the butchest and burliest man in the world, he's actually going to look like a bit of a girl if you put him in a tutu I'm afraid.

So even Mercedes have turned to Renault! 22 cars DNF! :laughing:

Most cars dials are the same from the base model all the way up the range. So if/when they release the GT model I'd expect most of the dial to get used. :smiley:

Yeah I think!

I have the 0.9tce engine in the new clio. Bigger and heavier car but they still claim up to 70mpg. I was told by the sales men real life figures should be around 50.

When I got the car the average mpg counter was at 38. Mechanics said there lucky to get over 38 on their courtesy Clio car.

I've driven as economically as possible and I can just about get it to 41 around town. With Eco turned on. Most was around town but still I was shocked at what I got. Guess it's the turbo.

I've heard the 1.5 diesel is a lot more realistic on its mpg claims.

Was really interested in this or the smart until the real milage came out and just left them, nice enough although why it is not disc brakes on all wheels etc etc etc...

hate hate hate the new design!! sticking with my 08 plate GT :wink:

Try carwow you will likely get new for this price, see my deal on a grand scenic

A car is a personal purchase. If A to B functionality at the lowest price was all anyone cared about, we'd all be driving Dacia Dusters. A small car like this will become tiresome for long distance driving at motorway speeds - it will be trying very hard and it's interior won't be a comfortable place for a 4 hour journey. Ideal as a second car but not very practical as a primary car for most households. Some people will always choose to spend more on a car than this, doesn't make them money wasting morons, you get what you pay for (to a point) - there's plenty of reasons that a £20k RRP car will almost certainly be a better drive than this and a £30k car will be better than the £20k car etc. If you've got the money there's no shame in buying (or leasing, if the monthlies are manageable) a dearer car than this.

Tiny engines with Turbos to make up the power are usually very thirsty (for their engine size) when everyday driving has you needing to make use of the turbo a lot. They're pretty pointless IMO, far better having a larger engine that isn't straining at the seams - they are economical only on the EU test cycle, which does get you cheap car tax if nothing else. Official mpg figures for very recent cars with stop/start tech are a joke. Expect 70% of combined figures if it gets to do 20 miles a day, 60% if it only does 10 miles a day.

Are people still thinking at 100k a car is dead? This is just ridiculous thinking.

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At 100k miles most engines should be fine, as should most gearboxes, but everything else does start to add up - brake discs, DMFW, shocks, battery will almost certainly need replacing. Timing belt (if you don't have a chain) and clutch are also a strong possibility, maybe a few electrical gremlins (especially for those cars cleaned with power washers). That's when "banger driving" starts to cost a fair bit of money in the maintenance, even if the residual losses drop right off.

Most old cars fall to bits when the maintenance starts to get neglected.

Thanks OP. need of a cheap run around and want a turbo engine. I really don't like the 1.0l ltr non turbo engine although they are economical but feels really under powered at times. I have spoke to the rep and they have various colours too. I am going to test drive the red one as it looks great with the black/red interior etc.

What makes this better is that its rear engine and rear wheel drive. I have checked out a parkers review which scored a high 4.5 stars. Also the road test scored the same. lets see how the test drive and the Part ex quote comes in (BTW a lot of equipment for a small car - Cruise control, lane departure, AC etc)

The point is very simple. Renault don't make the speedo. They buy it from an instrument manufacturer, and have to buy what is available while seeking commonality of parts whenever they can because it allows economy of scale. Now, while it would be pointless in fitting a speedo that could reach the maximum speed of a car, does not matter if it it can go far beyond? You might just as well ask why a bathtub can hold up to 60 gallons of water with you in it, when you only ever put around 30 gallons in it.

What do you mean by 'personal purchase? Surely, isn't everything you buy is a personal purchase? Are you sure you don't mean personal choice? Even that is not true, because for many of us, probably most of us, what car we buy is dictated by what we need to use it for. What is true for most of us is that a car is primarily bought for getting from A to B wherever A or B might be. It is obvious that this car is not designed for frequent long journeys or to carry a big load of luggage. It is designed as a city car, and being marketed as such, so comparison should be made with other city cars because to do otherwise is ridiculous. However, thinking that simply paying more for a car makes it better is also ridiculous.

By personal purchase, I mean a bit of personal preference comes into the mix when you choose a car which may not be entirely practical or logical for your needs, or even if 2 cars look to be very similar in their price-point and capability you may be strongly drawn to one over the other. All cars get you from A to B (if they don't break down) - some will give you better performance, some will give you better fuel economy, some have more safety equipment, some will give you a very comfortable ride insulated from poor roads or outside noise etc. People rarely buy a car based purely on a lot of ticks of preferences on a wish list using nothing but their logic or reasoning. There is no one universal car that does everything that everyone wants it to do at a price accessible to all.

Some people will buy a car they really like the look of/drive of against the logic of it being impractical for them (perhaps someone with a couple of kids buying a car with poor rear leg/headroom), some will buy a huge people carrier despite only having one kid.

Paying more for a car (new for new comparison - no point comparing a brand new Dacia Duster with a 6 year old Audi A3 TDI at the same price) will almost certainly get you a car that is comparably better than the cheaper one in one or more ways - perhaps it has a significantly higher output, or more equipment, or better ride refinement. A £20k RRP car will stand up against a £10k RRP car to justify the extra expenditure otherwise no one would buy the dearer one.

If everyone put all personal car choice considerations out of the window and looked at the car purely as an A to B tool, we'd all be in no frills/no thrills variants of the same car, differing only by the size/occupancy to suit the size of our family. You could get by using this Twingo for long motorway journeys, but you wouldn't want to unless finances dictated necessity, that was my point.

City cars are generally thought of as the most basic of cars - yes you can buy an Audi S1 or a Mini Cooper S, but the city car/supermini segment is filled with the cheaper end of the car spectrum - low on size, low on ride comfort (multilink suspension and adaptive damping etc.), low on standard equipment levels and (with a few notable exceptions), low on performance. Those are the main reasons why so many city cars have a low RRP.

Picking a car is not as simple as choosing Branston beans over Heinz to most people.

Paying more than £8k for a car does not make you an idiot or a money waster, because the drive is as important as the arrival at destination for many people.

You could have replied to my comment with a simple 'Yes!', or even amplified it a little with 'Yes, I do really mean personal choice. However, you go on in great detail to lay out what I inferred, but did not write more about that which I thought would already be obvious to most, especially if they have read through all the above posts.
However, you have completely missed out two factors which can have a great influence car buyers.One is the power of advertising, and the other is the impact of reviews and opinions in the motoring press.
As for your last sentence, I fail to see its purpose as nobody has suggested otherwise.
As for me, a car is a tool of convenience to me, not my pet. If I could afford it, a chauffeur-driven limousine would enable me to make better use of my time, and there are a lot that think like me.
The point is that the OP has found what is a good deal for anyone interested in a Twingo or similar.So those who want a Twingo can save money with the deal, and the interest of others may switch to Twingo from some other similar. It is nothing to do with any other vehicle.So heat to the OP.

​Could be worse could be a BMW or a VW or even worse a vauxhall as used by many a dope dealer and chav.