I wish I could find one without, they are all terrible. I have a HTPC that is about a billion times more useful.

All I want is:
200Hz or more
1080p
OLED
Non Curved
No 3D
No Smart Features
Amazing blacks

Can I find it? Can I balls!

+ 10% cashback if you have a Nationwide credit/debit card (one off use) - max £25 cashback - register for the Simply Rewards scheme

http://www.nationwide.co.uk/support/support-articles/services/simply-rewards/features-benefits#tab:Featuresandampbenefits

+ £10 off £100 amex credit

If you have both cards maybe you could stack offers by splitting the payment on both cards instore e.g. pay £250 on Nationwide and put the rest on Amex

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Part of their Blue Friday 5 day event, Price is £499 at the checkout :wink:

it's a PHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIILLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLIIIIIIIIIIIIIIPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPSSSSSSSSSS
got to be hot

+ 10% cashback if you have a Nationwide credit/debit card (one off use) - max £25 cashback - register for the Simply Rewards scheme

http://www.nationwide.co.uk/support/support-articles/services/simply-rewards/features-benefits#tab:Featuresandampbenefits

+ £10 off £100 amex credit

If you have both cards maybe you could stack offers by splitting the payment on both cards instore e.g. pay £250 on Nationwide and put the rest on Amex

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Where are you getting the extra £100 off ?

Showing £599 for me

So it does

gets a glowing review on AVForums website. just received a voucher from Argos as well for 10% off when buying anything on their Argos card as well so for £450 cannot be argued with at all.

I bought the 40 " version of this on Thursday and it's just woeful. The image really struggles when there is a lot of motion. It's a bit dark in the 4 corners, menu navigation is slow, takes ages to turn on and boot into android tv, doesn't support major file types, amazon prime, 4od or many other major apps. I'm taking it back this weekend.

A TV that does not have Smart features in 2015??? Wow.

Hoping for the Ambilight version to go on sale =P

Couldn't agree more! My NAS and HTPC take care of smart features, just need a TV with a decent refresh rate for gaming.
I've got a 50" Samsung, the screen tearing and motion blur during fast gaming is terrible :disappointed:

Let me know if you find one - that's pretty much all I want as well!

Richer Sounds £569 69 extra for 6 years cover

And four HDMI ins, not this nonsense in which they only give you two because you can’t handle the responsibility of any more.

Shame the input lag is so high, I need a new TV and I will use it for a lot of gaming.

Well, I’m not so sure. The parent company of the offshoot that makes Philips branded televisions is also responsible for AOC monitors. I’m not clear how much crossover there is, but the company is founded on display technology, and my monitors have been AOC for quite a while, so maybe it’s a good sign.

Talking of which, is Vestel really all that bad in 2015? It’s likely that people’s memories of short-lifespan tellies made by Vestel of the past when they were up and coming, are still tainting the image of Vestel now*. Much like the reverse process, whereby the past image of Bush and Pye** and Grundig rely on people who grew up in the ’60s and ’70s to permeate the notion that they were well-made reliable products that maybe only needed a change of a triode valve every few years and a knock on the side every few weeks and it’ll last for generations.

* I wonder how the recent trade friction between Russia and Turkey is going to affect Vestel-sourced Panasonic etc. sales to the Russian market?
** Now there’s an old brand waiting for some cheap importer to snap up and cash in on!

Vestel isn't that bad these days, they haven't ended up being as big as they are by accident. My comparison is simply because Phillips sets aren't the high quality premium well built TV's they once were, they are more like the rebranded Vestel sets you see wearing a Toshiba or Panasonic badge nowadays rather than the brand they once were but obviously that quality cost and the market won't pay the price for it hence why Phillips offloaded their A/V divisions.

The review from AV Forums when it was £100 mor than this price:

https://www.avforums.com/review/philips-50put6400-put6400-ultra-hd-4k-led-lcd-tv-review.12038

This deal seems pretty hot to me.

With reference to Argos cashback via nationwide credit card ..you can only use this once. ( up to £250)

hi guys,been looking at the 55" version of this for a few weeks and that's dropped from £749,then to £649 and now £629. the reviews seem pretty decent,but was looking for the 8 series with 4 sided ambilight but can't find it in the UK yet.anyone seen one?this is hot for the 50" tho.heat

I'll be behind you both in the queue.

The Philips is actually very good. Its better than equivalent LGs and Pansonics and Sony. Go see it for yourself in store... I saw a lower model in Sainsburys and the detail is produced was top notch.

Thanks for this link - a good review from a website that knows their stuff. Has convinced me to pull the trigger. Bought!

Can you get a 4k TV that has 3d?

I agree 100% mate. I bought our 46" Samsung 3D set because it has no smart features. But they're a dying breed.

Philips are made by TP VISION

Should have got a 2014 or 2015 Sony as they are among the lowest for input lag around. Currys I got mine for £550 for a 50" over 1000 refresh rate and just amazing colours and blacks not to mention x-reality pro engine
http://www.currys.co.uk/gbuk/tv-and-home-entertainment/televisions/televisions/sony-bravia-kdl50w809cbu-smart-3d-50-led-tv-10122392-pdt.html gone back up to £650 now. No 3D glasses but lets be hoenst you dont get a qaulity 1080p tv like this for 3D.. If you really want 4k then forget gaming. It's either one or the other unless you get a monitor.

am I correct in thinking my xbox is ridiculously slow on this tv? it was fine on my old 1080p and is unplayable on this new one!

Cannot play Xbox one on this, any one help me out??? Playing Fifa and cod and the fast movements make it blurr a lot... Please help!

Unbelievably my little boy smashed my tv this morning so found this and bought it, thanks for that! Good tv

How are u finding it. Have reserved it at Argos, but would appreciate some guidance

The HD & 4K picture on this is fantastic, but is anyone else finding SD content really poor on this?

Trying to watch the football on SD Sky Sports and the picture isn't very good at all. The picture on our 50" TV downstairs is far better for SD.