Been on the hunt for a gaming pc for my son for christmas and I have scoured relentlessly to try and squeeze the best deal possible for the best price. This is a Skylake i5, 8 gb DDR 4 ram, 120 gb SSD, 1 TB Hard Drive, Wifi built in.
Come across this from CCL on eBay they have decent feedback and seem to operate from a physical computer shop.
Also the Warranty is the best I have seen with 3 year full cover, and for an extra £25 (I think it was) they will do on site repairs.
Will let you decide but seems like a very reasonable price to me. I will admit that I'm a novice when it comes to PC builds. If anyone can find a better deal please send it my way.
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Salfordgirl1
20 Nov 1515#11
Intel Core i5 6400 - £140
Ram - £40
SSD - £35
1 TB Hard Drive - £40
960 GPU - £160
DVD writer - £12
Total - £427. Aye, I'd call it over-priced.
You're paying £120 for what is probably a poor quality PSU (£30?), a motherboard that isn't stated and a £20 case. It isn't a good deal, it's completely average. You could buy the parts yourself for the same price or cheaper.
Also, you're just going to run into a brick wall with a 960 card over the next 2-3 years. Just buy a 970, it's worth the extra £80-90.
Oh. And it comes with no Operating System, so you'd have to fork out a fair bit for that!
rooney10 to Salfordgirl1
20 Nov 158#9
over priced ? .... Really ?
Can you tell me where I can get these parts to build this PC for cheaper if this one is ,like you say 'over priced' ....
I understand the 960 card isn't the best and I don't think anybody here suggested or implied it was either , its horses for courses surely , the 960 is also not the most expensive and no doubt if you pay more money you would secure a better card.
ollie87
21 Nov 154#40
This is quite expensive. Also the three year warranty is a red herring, since if you buy PC parts individually yourself they tend to have AT LEAST a three year warranty any way - some GPUs have lifetime warranties now. In any case, if the thing goes wrong you'll have to ship the entire PC to them instead of just the broken part
Building a PC is easier than LEGO, I build my first when I was in Primary School. Wrap all the parts up together and build it with your son on Christmas morning - it'd be a great bonding experience.
Yes the CPU is weaker, but not that much weaker and the move to DDR4 is pointless for a mid-range gaming PC right now. You're better of getting a better GPU.
m1keyp1key to Deeco
21 Nov 153#50
960 is fine for 1080p. Don't listen to all the geeks who live in 4k world trying to squeeze every frame per second out of their machine as if their life depended on it.
Latest comments (106)
nicola01
29 Nov 15#106
Hi, can anyone recommend a gaming pc for a 12yr old. Will have to buy pre build as I don't have a clue how to do it myself. Would need the full thing for around £800-£900. Much appreciated.
frakison
29 Nov 15#105
Totally out of the PC scene now, I've built a few in the past and from what Ive seen, its only got easier as theres pretty much no chance of putting the wrong cables in etc. Can you advise what I NEED to be looking at to get a gaming rig that will handle GTAV on high(est preferred) settings that will meet your £500 price? The ones Ive looked at are £1k+ so I think I may be overspeccing a bit :smiley:
Thackers
29 Nov 15#104
Is the Zoostorm tempest a reliable rig.
I'm also after for my young boy.
I5 4660, gtx960 & 8Gb DDR3
The PSU is only a 350w but system comes pre installed with Windows 10 for £499
Or is there better?
I don't mind paying £100 more as I don't have the ability or time to build myself
Thanks in advance
Deaa
27 Nov 15#103
Looks to me like you paying £30-£40 to have it built for you. Decent deal if you don't want to do it yourself.
rev6
25 Nov 15#102
No difference in RAM speed? AMD maybe not so much but look at the i3... 25% more FPS from 1333MHz to 2400MHz.
Comparing CPU's like that for gaming is a bad idea. The scores you're linking to are physics scores, and not the entire spectrum of CPU work when gaming.
Look at the image above showing the RAM speed difference. Now look at the CPU's. 2400MHz RAM 4360 2/4 vs 8350 4/8 (debatable). 20% there and that's not close to an i5.
If you're buying components for gaming then look for reviews which show gaming performance.
capa
25 Nov 15#101
Invaluable advice and I appreciate the time you and all others have taken to help and post replies.
I will go through the components I need with the sites you have provided.
Apologies for all the questions, I must admit I was being a little lazy.
Thanks again.
Salfordgirl1
24 Nov 15#100
Your CPU score = 6350 - Cost is £178
i7 4790 score = 8230 - Cost is £234.
It's up to you to juggle between performance and cost and find what you need. Is the 33% increase in performance worth £50? Your call.
Again, I'm not doing magic, I'm comparing numbers a site gives me. Those numbers aren't 100% spot on, but they're a good guide.
PS. You could get the i7-4790K score = 9360 - Cost is £257. Again, it's up to you to decide if this is OTT or what you want. Once you pick which one you want, look for its historic low price on price comparison websites and then keep an eye out for a sale. Don't buy them without finding them cheap/cheapest.
Salfordgirl1
24 Nov 15#99
Rather than 100% depending on others, why don't you simply check? All you need to do is compare one number to the other and see which is higher and there's your answer.
Your CPU is 43rd with a score of 6350. Your performance/cost score is 19, which is very low = It isn't an awful CPU but for the same price you can do better. Sorry if I seem low on patience here, but just because you don't know much about computers doesn't mean you can't use google and simple tools which I have now repeated about 3 times.
3d Mark, hardware channel.
Any other performance test list
Reddit
Google "This CPU vs this CPU"
A simple rule is "For every £100 you spend, do 15 hours of research". It isn't an easy job or a quick one if you're picking every single part yourself, but it's one worth while.
"Why not a 960".
1. Find the cost of the 960
2. Find the cost of the 970
3. Find their performance results and use your own noggin! it's been two days of none stop questions :stuck_out_tongue:
capa
24 Nov 15#98
Interesting. So I can get the costs back down a bit then. Thanks
Would you go for the processor I've chosen?
And why not the 960?
Salfordgirl1
24 Nov 15#97
Don't go down a 960.
capa
23 Nov 15#91
Two questions:
Are you saying I ought to go for DDR3-2400? If so, I'm back to the drawing board as the motherbaord I chose max is 1600.
Another question is why are intel's so expensive? There's an 8 core AMD FX-8320E Black Edition 8 Core CPU (Socket AM3+, 3.20GHz, 8MB, 95W, AMD Turbo Core Technology, AMD Balanced Smart Cache) just posted for £90. Should i not be aiming for one of those bad boys?
rev6 to capa
23 Nov 15#92
Is it for gaming? I'd stay far away from AMD CPU's for gaming. Look at the graph above. HT isn't used much in current games but look at the FPS difference between the FX-8350 to the 4770K, now if the 4770K was an i5, it would be similar results, +/- 1/5FPS.
Minimum FPS with the same clocked RAM, 54 compared to 85! Average FPS, 67 compared to 106! Go Intel! :smiley:
I know Fallout 4 is CPU bound but still. You can see how much the IPC matters in DX11 games. DX12 is a game changer of sorts, but Intel will still perform better due to IPC.
I wouldn't buy 1600MHz now with the price of RAM. I'd aim for a better motherboard if it only supports 1600MHz.
Salfordgirl1 to capa
24 Nov 15#96
There is almost no difference what so ever in regards to RAM, whether it's 1600 or 2400. I wouldn't bother going above 1600 personally.
Many tests have the higher RAM at maybe 1-5% better performance. It isn't worth the money.
Currently have Antec 300 case
- Asus P5Q3 Deluxe/WiFi-AP @n obsolete socket 775
- Antec Truepower modular 750w psu
- 8GB Corsair DDR3 1333Mhz XMS3 DHX memory
- Arctic Cooling Freezer 7 Pro rev 2 Socket 775, 1150, 1156, 1155, 1366, AM2, AM3 Heatpipe CPU Cooler
- Intel Core 2 Duo E8500 (3.16GHz) Socket 775 Wolfdale 1333FSB 6MB L2 Cache
- Sapphire HD 7850 2GB DVI HDMI Dual Mini DisplayPort PCI-E Graphics Card
- Asus Xonar sound card
Requirements -
My current rig can't even run FIFA 15 without serious lag so looking forward to finally get some quad core or higher action. Keen to stay with smaller sized case micro, but happy to change from the Antec 300 as the front power cable length is a nightmare to deal with.
Assuming I can perhaps keep the PSU and maybe the CPU cooler and keen to get 750 following the comments on this deal, can someone help me build a rig capable of running Fallout 4 GTA V etc on high settings on PCpart picker?
I won't need hard drives or sound card or monitor or operating system.
Don't know enough about Micro PC's so I can't help there, but should be easy to find out. Just use a reddit group, honestly they're great.
leon632
21 Nov 15#62
CCL are a great company. they are 5 mins from where i live so i have bought lots of components from them. their builds are often reviewed in PC mag so in terms of quality they are as good as anyone.
taddyboy to leon632
22 Nov 15#85
CCL are a TOP and reputable company with a warehouse and shop on the outskirts of Bradford that I have personally used for many years.
capa
22 Nov 15#84
Which socket currently best for future proofing?
Stalast
22 Nov 15#82
The power supply isn't stated, so you know it's going to be absolutely rubbish. It'll probably blow up after 2 years.
If the PSU is so bad how can they afford to use and offer a 3 year warranty?
Im going to hold off until next weekend see what goes down but I think I am going with a pre built I might build
one we will see trouble is I work right up until christmas day.
LewsTherin
22 Nov 15#81
Been looking at CCL's i7 Skylake 6700K with GTX 980 build, calculating the costs, as another poster states, the prices come to just about the same as if I built it myself. Worrying is that the mobo and PSU is not stated, however I was wondering, with these pre-built PCs, how easy is it to remove the PSU and replace? As I've got a HX1000i Corsair 1000W Platinum PSU lying about that I intended to use in my build but might incorporate in a pre-built instead.
philomene
22 Nov 15#79
Can any of you experts advise on the best place to get a pre-built PC suitable for photo and video editing? I haven't built a PC myself for ten years so I'm not up on properly speccing a self-build and this is for my father in any case so better to get it ready made. Compared to this deal here I presume processor and lots of memory are what's important, top-end graphics card likely less so, but budget is very tight - any thoughts?
ollie87 to philomene
22 Nov 15#80
Just use PC Part Picker, it's impossible to mess up.
ollie87
22 Nov 151#78
It's been proven over and over again that anything over a i5 is pointless for gaming. Linus Tech Tips have done loads of videos on it. A 960 is a budget card, pairing it with an i7 is the most pointless thing ever since it can't even make an i5 work hard.
ljshooter
22 Nov 15#77
This is what I have been looking at for a friend which seems decent and has the 970
is this pc capable of playing fallout 4 on ultra at high fps? That is my aim for a pc. I'm fed up with the weak as ps4 and xbone. I need at least 60 fps.
ollie87 to mikem1989
21 Nov 15#59
Probably not. The engine that Fallout 4 uses is far too old and crap to make use of modern hardware properly.
McHotpoon to mikem1989
21 Nov 15#60
With an I7 and GTX 960 2gb its min 53, average 61fps according to techspot.
Salfordgirl1 to mikem1989
21 Nov 15#74
In short, no.
tuckeral
21 Nov 151#73
The RS10 was mentioned earlier in this thread and may be a decent alternative. 50 quid more but has Windows already and it lists all the components so you know what you're getting. Grab a small SSD over black Friday wknd for £25 and job done.
ollie87
21 Nov 15#72
GTX960 will bottleneck a modern i5 like crazy
amyleayouds
21 Nov 15#71
hi can anyone help i am looking for a good gaming pc for my son, i need it good enough for his elgato card??
Ebuyer has had a Zoostorm with that spec and windows 10 for £499 for del, it went out of stock a week ago. The i3 4170 version was £429 but that's back in stock £439. I'm waiting for the i5 to come back in.
Which i7? There are like six different generations of them!
ollie87
21 Nov 15#63
No Fallout game has ever been, same with Elderscrolls series. The engine is holding it back. It's also buggy as hell!
mikem1989
21 Nov 15#61
and there I was thinking it was the pinnacle of gaming / console gamer
Deeco
21 Nov 15#49
What's wrong with a 960 card?
m1keyp1key to Deeco
21 Nov 153#50
960 is fine for 1080p. Don't listen to all the geeks who live in 4k world trying to squeeze every frame per second out of their machine as if their life depended on it.
Salfordgirl1 to Deeco
21 Nov 15#54
Nothing is wrong with it, it just isn't very future proof. It only has 2 GB of VRAM. Shadow of Mordour requires something like 4gb (Maybe it was even 8?) to run on max. Games will outgrow the 2GB very, very quickly so that you have to buy another in a few years. Even now the 960 isn't going to be running everything on max/high.
It's more cost-effective to buy a card that will last you longer than a card that will last you a year or two.
ollie87 to Deeco
21 Nov 15#58
Nothing, except in this case you can get more performance for the same cash.
tiptop33
21 Nov 15#56
Hope this helps peeps out here you go info PSU & MB Would not even use the PSU as a door stop would not work to stop the door anyhow too light
nasty OEM psu
Thats nice but remember a lot of places rape you when it comes to shipping.So the true cost is higher still unless you get the lot from amazon
3spartan
21 Nov 15#53
I think better value deals by wide margin may well be available now or in the near future. Sedatech PCs on Amazon have been coming in at less than half list price for potent systems, check out the threads on HUKD.
Gunshow
21 Nov 15#52
Ccl confirmed prior a gpu purchase that they would provide a game code, then flat out refused to provide one afterwards... Plenty of systems cheap on Gumtree, or build one usefull to knowledge to have
m1keyp1key
21 Nov 15#51
The most worrying part of the deal is the spec they don't list. It's going to be a cheap and nasty psu that puts all your other components at risk.
As others have said, building a pc is just like lego. It takes longer to source and price parts than it does to build.
McHotpoon
21 Nov 15#48
Just dropped the CPU to I3 3.7ghz its £495. Just need to obtain a copy of windows for £5 now job done I can order.
WelshJester
21 Nov 15#47
Well I've always bought new stuff, obviously if one doesn't feel confident that they won't break something then yeah of course they will want to buy new.
andicap
21 Nov 15#44
Hi,i got one of the short-lived Sedatech "bargains" on Amazon last week.Worth scouring through the options as prices are all over the place.I got this Sedatech UC03024F2 Gamer Advanced Desktop PC (Intel i3 4160 2x 3.6 GHz, GeForce GTX750TI 2048 MB, 8 GB RAM, 1000 GB HDD, 120 GB SSD, USB 3.0, Full HD for £320!Have i got a bargain or a lemon for this price.....Was looking at the well reviewed Yoyotech warbird RS10 which started at £599....Any thoughts much appreciated seems like a minefield out there....
ollie87 to andicap
21 Nov 15#46
Assuming it's not a generic Chinese case and PSU, then yes. Do you know what brands they are?
CCL has been around since I had hair, a very long time ago.
WelshJester
21 Nov 15#41
Do your own custom build if you can, more enjoyable too imo. For starting off you could try getting used components and that way you will definitely get more bang for your buck. I put together an x99 system in the summer and it will do me for a good few years, anyone can do it though i will say it does help to know what you're doing for installing windows and drivers etc.. But yeah if cost is a concern i would look into used part first if you can get them from a reliable seller.
ollie87 to WelshJester
21 Nov 15#43
Don't bother with used for your first ever build. If you've not done it before a good returns policy is a must. Just in case of the unlikely event of you making a mistake.
buyer101
21 Nov 152#42
If you're going to vote cold or say this isn't a good deal at least provide OP with a better alternative, this is a child's Christmas present here..
This is quite expensive. Also the three year warranty is a red herring, since if you buy PC parts individually yourself they tend to have AT LEAST a three year warranty any way - some GPUs have lifetime warranties now. In any case, if the thing goes wrong you'll have to ship the entire PC to them instead of just the broken part
Building a PC is easier than LEGO, I build my first when I was in Primary School. Wrap all the parts up together and build it with your son on Christmas morning - it'd be a great bonding experience.
Yes the CPU is weaker, but not that much weaker and the move to DDR4 is pointless for a mid-range gaming PC right now. You're better of getting a better GPU.
QuickProfits
20 Nov 152#5
No mention of the power supply or motherboard (key components) I see.
dan_S to QuickProfits
21 Nov 15#39
Exactly, Not a good sign really.
jojodawson
20 Nov 15#37
Hi. I've also been looking for the same kind of deal for my twins..I've just come across this for £599. The only difference I can see is that it's 2TB, still 3 year warranty so could anyone advise if this is any different/better to the skylake on eBay? http://www.ebuyer.com/722003-cyberpower-armour-elite-iv-gaming-pc-ecc01284
gummby to jojodawson
20 Nov 15#38
The ebay model is the latest Intel 6th Gen Skylake CPU released in August. The Ebuyer model has the 2-3 year old Intel Haswell 4th gen CPU. 5% or so slower. Ebay has a SSD drive too which is much faster if you run windows from it. SSD are so much quicker than normal hard drives. Load times for windows can be 10 seconds compared to 30-40 seconds on a hard drive. CCL one also has 1tb Hard drive compared to the Ebuyer model 2TByte.
The Ebuyer one might have a better PSU. Cooler Master 500W ATX PSU. Looking at CCl website the ebay model will only use a 80 rated CPU. No idea what the brand is either. A decent power supply can ensure a system lasts longer. The better ones are Bronze/silver/gold rated. Still hard to compare either on this basis. Both look average for PSU.
The Ebay model comes with Windows 10. The CCL model you would need to buy/ install windows yourself. Unless you have your own copy already? You would need to install drivers too. Maybe your son knows how to do this?
So New CPU vs an older one. Less chance of upgrading CPU in 2-3 years times. (Although he could buy an i7 Haswell chip later on?) SSD/ 1tb HD vs just 2TB Hard drive . Graphics look similar. PSU hard to compare but Ebuyer one is branded.
Personally I might prefer the newer hardware. Plus the features the new motherboards bring. I am a custom build chap myself. I like to hand pick and know exactly what I am buying.
Just enter the parts from that, unclick any freebies.
nokiafusion
20 Nov 152#35
Ccl are a Bradford based company and have been building PCs for many years. They have only recently started selling on eBay. With every pc you get the option to upgrade or downgrade parts. My sister has had 2 pcs from them now and swears by them. No worries about the company.
rooney10
20 Nov 15#34
the one I bought as well ... and many other sedatech pc's off Amazon recently too........plenty have been available for much less than the cost of the parts
___Josh____
20 Nov 15#33
I looked on that site and I can't find anything like this for the same price. The best I could do in a mini case for a similar system (I am on my phone though) was £694 including vat.
Do you have a link?
TwentyTwo
20 Nov 151#32
For a pre built that isn't half bad for the money.
Salfordgirl1
20 Nov 15#31
Highly doubt you'll ever use the warranty though. Most parts don't break that early.
Been looking for pre builts for the past hour and the closest so far is PcSpecialists who offer the exact same build above for £540, 3 year warranty and free delivery. No OS and only 350w PSU though. And this computer wasn't on sale either, so may be able to find cheaper on Black Friday.
Might be worth toying with the customisation options and seeing if you can build something perfect for you. Also if you buy from the Ebay shop make sure you get the better CPU for £9, it's worth it.
___Josh____
20 Nov 15#30
Yeah it's trade off I suppose just thought this was pretty well balanced for what I need it for. I understand where your coming from just think your being overly critical as like I said I have been looking at this price point for a while and this is the best price I have seen. I'm still undecided at the moment but I am tempted to go for this. It's the warranty that is swinging it for me.
McHotpoon
20 Nov 15#29
Only shortcoming is not 4gb, it will be fine for most 1080p right now. Will look to replace next round of gpu refresh, when pascal giving 4k at more mainstream prices will do the job, and Ill have time to save for a 4k monitor :-)
Salfordgirl1
20 Nov 15#28
Aye, on this one, but not others =P
rooney10
20 Nov 152#27
weve been through this already and you know that that isn't the case with this deal ..... its equivalent to the price paid for the parts but with the bonus of the 3 year warranty ..... ffs we have already done the breakdown on this , lol
Salfordgirl1
20 Nov 15#26
You need to understand that with a pre-built computer, you'll be paying £50-150+ more than its worth for labour and profit. You will get ripped off no matter what you do. Sure, you won't have the trouble of building it or finding someone who will, but I don't think that's worth the price difference.
If you want a pre-built computer, you're going to pay over the odds for what you're getting, no matter what. It's as simple as that. They over charge because they know people won't do it themselves.
To someone who would build the computer themselves, this is average-poor. To someone who won't build it, this may be amazing. I'll keep an eye out, but they're all going to be around this specs and this price, because they're upper-mid range and parts are cheap.
If you can pay £40-50 to get a GTX 970 you should. It will last far longer than the 960. You have option 1: Wait 2-3 years (If that) replace card for £200. Option 2: Go with the 970 for extra and replace in 4-5 years.
___Josh____
20 Nov 15#25
The way I see I could save around £70 with the older cpu etc. But with the same card. Where as I could pay around £40-£50 more for a 970 with cheaper cpu. Now to me the card is fine for my son right now he is 8. But I could upgrade the card if needs be in a year. Now like I said I have never owned a gaming pc before so please correct me if I'm wrong it just makes sense to me.
___Josh____
20 Nov 15#24
If this isn't a deal then please point me I. He direction of a deal.
Also as I have been looking a lot around this price point I can tell you confidently that this is not the average price. And when you factor in the warranty, which to be honest I have lot dealt with the company before, it seems like a deal to me.
rooney10
20 Nov 15#23
agreed but it would be hard to build a system with a 970 card for £550 , despite skimping on other areas
Salfordgirl1
20 Nov 15#22
Still an average card though and the price is still very high.
3d Mark score for 960 - 10380
3d Mark score for 970 - 15800
In my eyes it's worth paying more for the card and skimping in other places if you can.
motionman22
20 Nov 15#21
Not bad really hot from me
rooney10
20 Nov 151#20
Completely agree with you , in fact the only thing I didn't agree with was your comment about this deal being over-priced which you now determine it to be 'completely average' and the 'price you would expect to pay' , which once again I am total agreement with you :wink:
Glad we cleared that one up .... so to summarise this deal is NOT over-priced and is bang on for the price you pay , not an amazing deal agreed but not over-priced either :wink:
I've not voted either way to be honest as I bagged a hotter deal the other week off Amazon for a Sedatech PC - core i3 with radeon 250x and 2tb drive with a great Zalman case and windows 10 os for £280 (parts alone were worth around £420!)
This is the kind of thing I have been looking at. Holding out for Black Friday but theres not much margin for PC venders at the value end of the market so not sure what the chances are of seeing any significant saving.
McHotpoon
20 Nov 15#18
Had a look around other venders are around 600 for this spec, ie Skylake.
Salfordgirl1
20 Nov 15#17
Aye, as I mentioned in my post, "You can build it yourself for less or the same".
The problem arises when you realise:
1) If you look for parts individually on sale you can build it cheaper on your own
2) The fact that the company mass orders components for a cheap price, yet you can build it yourself for the same
Considering these two I don't think it's a good deal, I think it's completely average. It's what you would expect to pay. If it was £475 it would be a good deal, but for that price? I think anyone who is patient and savvy can build a better computer for less.
People sell great GPU's on here all the time for £100~ and no one ever buys them, despite the fact they're way below half RRP. That's the most expensive thing about your computer too...factor that in and you can do one for £400-470 that's actually better, although not new items.
McHotpoon
20 Nov 15#16
I said older I5 which is ddr 3. 120gb ssd is a similar cost to a 1tb hdd. Cheap 120gb sdd are as little as £23 ex vat from disty in volume. Amazon stonking deal was £26.99 I think for 120gb.
Dont get me wrong, this is a good deal. But its about the right price without OS.
Also factor in some TCB with Ebay purchase and a FREE 3 year warranty (assuming this is worth nothing) then it is proven that this is certainly not 'over-priced' and is within a few pounds exactly the cost of building it yourself with a FREE 3 year warranty thrown in.
The parts selected may not be parts of your choice and I totally understand what you are saying that by spending a few pounds here and there you can tweak the system and get more bang for your buck but at this price point for these parts it cannot be considered as 'over-priced' as this simply is not true is it.
McHotpoon
20 Nov 15#10
Id bite if it had windows for that price. Seen options like this without OS or but with older i5 4460 for around £499. Ebuyer did have Zoostorm i5 4460, 8gb,1tb,gtx960 and windows for £499 until it disappeared a week ago. Waiting for black friday now hoping to get it all for £499 with OS.
___Josh____ to McHotpoon
20 Nov 15#14
With ddr 4 ram as well? I haven't seen anything close to this on price with an ssd and a second hard drive as well.
But I'm open to suggestions I just need it by christmas
kirstybidefordcentre
20 Nov 15#2
I too am looking for a gaming PC for my son but am slightly worried re eBay guarantee etc what's to say they will honour it? Are they a real company off eBay? And where would onsite be?
hardstylemw to kirstybidefordcentre
20 Nov 15#3
Cclcomputers are trustworthy. I'm sure they have a website too.
benny1983uk to kirstybidefordcentre
20 Nov 15#13
Kirsty it's not even that hard to build you're own PC . Pretty much a good spec gaming PC will cost you less than 500 . Without cutting corners ,
benny1983uk
20 Nov 15#12
Umm sounds to good to be true . They bound to be cutting corners somewhere
Salfordgirl1
20 Nov 1515#11
Intel Core i5 6400 - £140
Ram - £40
SSD - £35
1 TB Hard Drive - £40
960 GPU - £160
DVD writer - £12
Total - £427. Aye, I'd call it over-priced.
You're paying £120 for what is probably a poor quality PSU (£30?), a motherboard that isn't stated and a £20 case. It isn't a good deal, it's completely average. You could buy the parts yourself for the same price or cheaper.
Also, you're just going to run into a brick wall with a 960 card over the next 2-3 years. Just buy a 970, it's worth the extra £80-90.
Oh. And it comes with no Operating System, so you'd have to fork out a fair bit for that!
Salfordgirl1
20 Nov 15#7
Over priced tbh. A 960? Not the best card.
rooney10 to Salfordgirl1
20 Nov 158#9
over priced ? .... Really ?
Can you tell me where I can get these parts to build this PC for cheaper if this one is ,like you say 'over priced' ....
I understand the 960 card isn't the best and I don't think anybody here suggested or implied it was either , its horses for courses surely , the 960 is also not the most expensive and no doubt if you pay more money you would secure a better card.
rikkif1990
20 Nov 152#8
I think it's a really good deal, I'd just be concerned as to what PSU they will use to power it. It may be worth sending them a message asking for this information.
PinkyPonk Driver
20 Nov 151#6
That's a well balanced system Op! My only worry is what PSU are they using? And is that kingston ssd using the carp nand flash chips bringing speed down considerably? Other than that you'd struggle to build cheaper! I managed £555 before delivery on pcpartpicker, so not a bad deal at all :smiley:
tighty
20 Nov 15#4
just a small bit of advice. If you understand PCs then i would buy used - far more bang for your buck and that is what the kids want MORE FPS
MED5
20 Nov 152#1
don't forget to install Windows so not to have massive disappointment Christmas morning.
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Come across this from CCL on eBay they have decent feedback and seem to operate from a physical computer shop.
Also the Warranty is the best I have seen with 3 year full cover, and for an extra £25 (I think it was) they will do on site repairs.
Will let you decide but seems like a very reasonable price to me. I will admit that I'm a novice when it comes to PC builds. If anyone can find a better deal please send it my way.
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Ram - £40
SSD - £35
1 TB Hard Drive - £40
960 GPU - £160
DVD writer - £12
Total - £427. Aye, I'd call it over-priced.
You're paying £120 for what is probably a poor quality PSU (£30?), a motherboard that isn't stated and a £20 case. It isn't a good deal, it's completely average. You could buy the parts yourself for the same price or cheaper.
Also, you're just going to run into a brick wall with a 960 card over the next 2-3 years. Just buy a 970, it's worth the extra £80-90.
Oh. And it comes with no Operating System, so you'd have to fork out a fair bit for that!
Can you tell me where I can get these parts to build this PC for cheaper if this one is ,like you say 'over priced' ....
I understand the 960 card isn't the best and I don't think anybody here suggested or implied it was either , its horses for courses surely , the 960 is also not the most expensive and no doubt if you pay more money you would secure a better card.
Building a PC is easier than LEGO, I build my first when I was in Primary School. Wrap all the parts up together and build it with your son on Christmas morning - it'd be a great bonding experience.
If I was spending this much cash on a gaming machine I'd build this: http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/p/ftcp6h
Yes the CPU is weaker, but not that much weaker and the move to DDR4 is pointless for a mid-range gaming PC right now. You're better of getting a better GPU.
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I'm also after for my young boy.
I5 4660, gtx960 & 8Gb DDR3
The PSU is only a 350w but system comes pre installed with Windows 10 for £499
Or is there better?
I don't mind paying £100 more as I don't have the ability or time to build myself
Thanks in advance
Comparing CPU's like that for gaming is a bad idea. The scores you're linking to are physics scores, and not the entire spectrum of CPU work when gaming.
Look at the image above showing the RAM speed difference. Now look at the CPU's. 2400MHz RAM 4360 2/4 vs 8350 4/8 (debatable). 20% there and that's not close to an i5.
If you're buying components for gaming then look for reviews which show gaming performance.
I will go through the components I need with the sites you have provided.
Apologies for all the questions, I must admit I was being a little lazy.
Thanks again.
i7 4790 score = 8230 - Cost is £234.
It's up to you to juggle between performance and cost and find what you need. Is the 33% increase in performance worth £50? Your call.
Again, I'm not doing magic, I'm comparing numbers a site gives me. Those numbers aren't 100% spot on, but they're a good guide.
PS. You could get the i7-4790K score = 9360 - Cost is £257. Again, it's up to you to decide if this is OTT or what you want. Once you pick which one you want, look for its historic low price on price comparison websites and then keep an eye out for a sale. Don't buy them without finding them cheap/cheapest.
http://www.futuremark.com/hardware/cpu
Your CPU is 43rd with a score of 6350. Your performance/cost score is 19, which is very low = It isn't an awful CPU but for the same price you can do better. Sorry if I seem low on patience here, but just because you don't know much about computers doesn't mean you can't use google and simple tools which I have now repeated about 3 times.
3d Mark, hardware channel.
Any other performance test list
Reddit
Google "This CPU vs this CPU"
A simple rule is "For every £100 you spend, do 15 hours of research". It isn't an easy job or a quick one if you're picking every single part yourself, but it's one worth while.
"Why not a 960".
1. Find the cost of the 960
2. Find the cost of the 970
3. Find their performance results and use your own noggin! it's been two days of none stop questions :stuck_out_tongue:
Would you go for the processor I've chosen?
And why not the 960?
Are you saying I ought to go for DDR3-2400? If so, I'm back to the drawing board as the motherbaord I chose max is 1600.
Another question is why are intel's so expensive? There's an 8 core AMD FX-8320E Black Edition 8 Core CPU (Socket AM3+, 3.20GHz, 8MB, 95W, AMD Turbo Core Technology, AMD Balanced Smart Cache) just posted for £90. Should i not be aiming for one of those bad boys?
Minimum FPS with the same clocked RAM, 54 compared to 85! Average FPS, 67 compared to 106! Go Intel! :smiley:
I know Fallout 4 is CPU bound but still. You can see how much the IPC matters in DX11 games. DX12 is a game changer of sorts, but Intel will still perform better due to IPC.
I wouldn't buy 1600MHz now with the price of RAM. I'd aim for a better motherboard if it only supports 1600MHz.
Many tests have the higher RAM at maybe 1-5% better performance. It isn't worth the money.
Thoughts on http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/user/Capa/saved/2LPp99
http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/p/Kqchf7
Am I bottlenecking anywhere?
I'm looking to upgrade my system.
Currently have Antec 300 case
- Asus P5Q3 Deluxe/WiFi-AP @n obsolete socket 775
- Antec Truepower modular 750w psu
- 8GB Corsair DDR3 1333Mhz XMS3 DHX memory
- Arctic Cooling Freezer 7 Pro rev 2 Socket 775, 1150, 1156, 1155, 1366, AM2, AM3 Heatpipe CPU Cooler
- Intel Core 2 Duo E8500 (3.16GHz) Socket 775 Wolfdale 1333FSB 6MB L2 Cache
- Sapphire HD 7850 2GB DVI HDMI Dual Mini DisplayPort PCI-E Graphics Card
- Asus Xonar sound card
Requirements -
My current rig can't even run FIFA 15 without serious lag so looking forward to finally get some quad core or higher action. Keen to stay with smaller sized case micro, but happy to change from the Antec 300 as the front power cable length is a nightmare to deal with.
Assuming I can perhaps keep the PSU and maybe the CPU cooler and keen to get 750 following the comments on this deal, can someone help me build a rig capable of running Fallout 4 GTA V etc on high settings on PCpart picker?
I won't need hard drives or sound card or monitor or operating system.
Is DDR 4 possible under £500?
Don't bother with DDR4 ram. Isn't worth it.
Don't know enough about Micro PC's so I can't help there, but should be easy to find out. Just use a reddit group, honestly they're great.
PSU - http://www.hotukdeals.com/visit?hukdm=1985&d=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cclonline.com%2Fproduct%2F184318%2FAI-500W-OEM%2FPower-Supplies%2FAero-Cool-Integrator-500W-80-Certified-Builder-PSU-OEM-%2FPSU0921%2F%23customise-020000010701
Thanks to Tiptop33 for finding out from CCL
If the PSU is so bad how can they afford to use and offer a 3 year warranty?
Im going to hold off until next weekend see what goes down but I think I am going with a pre built I might build
one we will see trouble is I work right up until christmas day.
http://www.awd-it.co.uk/intel-i5-4460-3.2ghz-nzxt-h440-z97-computer-nvidia-gtx-960-2gb-gaming-pc.html
http://www.ebuyer.com/719687-zoostorm-gaming-media-desktop-pc-7260-5103
Other games on gtx960 here
http://www.techspot.com/review/1087-best-value-desktop-cpu/page4.html
It's more cost-effective to buy a card that will last you longer than a card that will last you a year or two.
nasty OEM psu
Motherboard - http://www.cclonline.com/product/191126/GA-H110M-S2H/Motherboards/Gigabyte-Ultra-Durable-H110M-S2H-Motherboard-Intel-Core-i3/i5/i7/Pentium/Celeron-Socket-1151-Intel-H110-Express-Micro-ATX-SATA-Realtek-Gigabit-LAN-DDR4-Memory-Integrated-Intel-HD-Graphics-/MBD1788/#customise-020000010701
PSU - http://www.cclonline.com/product/184318/AI-500W-OEM/Power-Supplies/Aero-Cool-Integrator-500W-80-Certified-Builder-PSU-OEM-/PSU0921/#customise-020000010701
As others have said, building a pc is just like lego. It takes longer to source and price parts than it does to build.
If I was building a machine for that cash I'd build this: http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/p/yPbMsY
Overclocking the G3258 to at least 3.8Ghz.
Josh, you might be better posting a request here since most people here are just saying "bad deal" - https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/forums/forum/27-create-a-part-list-for-me/
Just post your budget and requirements e.g. running GTA 5 on medium and you don't need a monitor etc..
ollie87 has posted a nice build as well.
Building a PC is easier than LEGO, I build my first when I was in Primary School. Wrap all the parts up together and build it with your son on Christmas morning - it'd be a great bonding experience.
If I was spending this much cash on a gaming machine I'd build this: http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/p/ftcp6h
Yes the CPU is weaker, but not that much weaker and the move to DDR4 is pointless for a mid-range gaming PC right now. You're better of getting a better GPU.
http://www.ebuyer.com/722003-cyberpower-armour-elite-iv-gaming-pc-ecc01284
The Ebuyer one might have a better PSU. Cooler Master 500W ATX PSU. Looking at CCl website the ebay model will only use a 80 rated CPU. No idea what the brand is either. A decent power supply can ensure a system lasts longer. The better ones are Bronze/silver/gold rated. Still hard to compare either on this basis. Both look average for PSU.
The Ebay model comes with Windows 10. The CCL model you would need to buy/ install windows yourself. Unless you have your own copy already? You would need to install drivers too. Maybe your son knows how to do this?
So New CPU vs an older one. Less chance of upgrading CPU in 2-3 years times. (Although he could buy an i7 Haswell chip later on?) SSD/ 1tb HD vs just 2TB Hard drive . Graphics look similar. PSU hard to compare but Ebuyer one is branded.
Personally I might prefer the newer hardware. Plus the features the new motherboards bring. I am a custom build chap myself. I like to hand pick and know exactly what I am buying.
Just enter the parts from that, unclick any freebies.
Do you have a link?
Been looking for pre builts for the past hour and the closest so far is PcSpecialists who offer the exact same build above for £540, 3 year warranty and free delivery. No OS and only 350w PSU though. And this computer wasn't on sale either, so may be able to find cheaper on Black Friday.
https://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/results/
Might be worth toying with the customisation options and seeing if you can build something perfect for you. Also if you buy from the Ebay shop make sure you get the better CPU for £9, it's worth it.
If you want a pre-built computer, you're going to pay over the odds for what you're getting, no matter what. It's as simple as that. They over charge because they know people won't do it themselves.
To someone who would build the computer themselves, this is average-poor. To someone who won't build it, this may be amazing. I'll keep an eye out, but they're all going to be around this specs and this price, because they're upper-mid range and parts are cheap.
If you can pay £40-50 to get a GTX 970 you should. It will last far longer than the 960. You have option 1: Wait 2-3 years (If that) replace card for £200. Option 2: Go with the 970 for extra and replace in 4-5 years.
Also as I have been looking a lot around this price point I can tell you confidently that this is not the average price. And when you factor in the warranty, which to be honest I have lot dealt with the company before, it seems like a deal to me.
3d Mark score for 960 - 10380
3d Mark score for 970 - 15800
In my eyes it's worth paying more for the card and skimping in other places if you can.
Glad we cleared that one up .... so to summarise this deal is NOT over-priced and is bang on for the price you pay , not an amazing deal agreed but not over-priced either :wink:
I've not voted either way to be honest as I bagged a hotter deal the other week off Amazon for a Sedatech PC - core i3 with radeon 250x and 2tb drive with a great Zalman case and windows 10 os for £280 (parts alone were worth around £420!)
This is the kind of thing I have been looking at. Holding out for Black Friday but theres not much margin for PC venders at the value end of the market so not sure what the chances are of seeing any significant saving.
The problem arises when you realise:
1) If you look for parts individually on sale you can build it cheaper on your own
2) The fact that the company mass orders components for a cheap price, yet you can build it yourself for the same
Considering these two I don't think it's a good deal, I think it's completely average. It's what you would expect to pay. If it was £475 it would be a good deal, but for that price? I think anyone who is patient and savvy can build a better computer for less.
People sell great GPU's on here all the time for £100~ and no one ever buys them, despite the fact they're way below half RRP. That's the most expensive thing about your computer too...factor that in and you can do one for £400-470 that's actually better, although not new items.
Dont get me wrong, this is a good deal. But its about the right price without OS.
Also factor in some TCB with Ebay purchase and a FREE 3 year warranty (assuming this is worth nothing) then it is proven that this is certainly not 'over-priced' and is within a few pounds exactly the cost of building it yourself with a FREE 3 year warranty thrown in.
The parts selected may not be parts of your choice and I totally understand what you are saying that by spending a few pounds here and there you can tweak the system and get more bang for your buck but at this price point for these parts it cannot be considered as 'over-priced' as this simply is not true is it.
But I'm open to suggestions I just need it by christmas
Ram - £40
SSD - £35
1 TB Hard Drive - £40
960 GPU - £160
DVD writer - £12
Total - £427. Aye, I'd call it over-priced.
You're paying £120 for what is probably a poor quality PSU (£30?), a motherboard that isn't stated and a £20 case. It isn't a good deal, it's completely average. You could buy the parts yourself for the same price or cheaper.
Also, you're just going to run into a brick wall with a 960 card over the next 2-3 years. Just buy a 970, it's worth the extra £80-90.
Oh. And it comes with no Operating System, so you'd have to fork out a fair bit for that!
Can you tell me where I can get these parts to build this PC for cheaper if this one is ,like you say 'over priced' ....
I understand the 960 card isn't the best and I don't think anybody here suggested or implied it was either , its horses for courses surely , the 960 is also not the most expensive and no doubt if you pay more money you would secure a better card.