Irony...

It runs android though, it will be like a McLaren P1 car towing a horsebox. The 950XL is like a Lotus Exige - doesn't need a v8 to be quick. Try running android L or M on a dual core 1gb ram phone - its crap, yet an unoptimised win 10 preview works smoother on even a 512mb equipped lumia 520.

The 950 XL looks lovely (for an extra £50 you might as well get the best).

Anyone posting performance comparisons is simply an idiot. The phone is not yet released and there have been no proper tests. You can compare specs but to judge a device on this alone makes you the sort of person who likes willy waving contests.

There are a few nice features which could attract people, particularly business. Personally, I would not buy one until there have been some big name reviews.

The magic word "continuum"!. Were looking at dishing out these instead of laptops for our staff. Seriously Microsoft need to push this more as its main feature!:man:

Who would buy this? It's not even a top of the range cpu.

Hence the price....

same cpu and ram as moto x style which is £360, this will probably have a better camera though, but with top end windows phones being few and far between and not that popular microsoft have missed a chance here, if this was around the £350 mark I think it would stand a chance of selling well but not at this price.

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Good phone but I will be getting the lumia 950xl.

Too expensive yes, However still much more better value than an iphone.!

This is bordering z5 price. Which is better in every respect.

I'd probably have bitten at a RRP of £400 (for the XL). Hot for those who have more money though :wink:

Cold. Much better Chinese fones available. £430 for a device like this. It amazes me how all the poor people seem to have the most expensive fones. Prehaps they cannot afford a PC and Broadband. Stupid peoples.

Anyone posting performance comparisons is simply an idiot. The phone is not yet released and there have been no proper tests. You can compare specs but to judge a device on this alone makes you the sort of person who likes willy waving contests.

There are a few nice features which could attract people, particularly business. Personally, I would not buy one until there have been some big name reviews.

Was going to go for the 950. but the price drop, and the expectation that the xl will also come with the continuum dock, make me wonder if I can manage with the massive screen...

Hot, btw :smiley: Looking forward to my new phone soon...!

950xl drops under £450 and it's mine. Looking more and more likely with the drop from £550 already!

Free continuum dock too via MS rebate.

The magic word "continuum"!. Were looking at dishing out these instead of laptops for our staff. Seriously Microsoft need to push this more as its main feature!:man:

This is currently the best snapdragon available, 820 is still a while away. In terms of other specs, the 950xl has a big battery size, removable battery and micro SD(up to 2gb) and not forgetting continium. Windows phone is also brilliantly optimized , like iOS and doesn't suffer from lag/random startups (patented android/Samsung). The camera from the limited samples also looks good, and will probably wipe Sony all over the floor ( heck probably a Samsung s3 camera is even better than a Z5s). Can't see how this will get Microsoft back in the game, but this will be a good phone. My next one, once the price drops

Specs mean nothing its a windows phone so doesn't need high end specs like Android. This phone will be smoother than any Android phone as the OS is like IOS, made by them and optimized.

All that keeps me away from these phones is the terrible app store.

Nice phone, bad pricing

Cold!

The 950 XL is SD 810. Carl zeiss lens are very good. I think after release we will find out if its on par or better than the sony lens.

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Add in free display dock too

Uh oh looks like I just got served. Obviously I meant the 950xl. Just mentioned it later in my post and that DOES have a 810.


Also yeah, Sony produce the sensors, and the S6 etc produce great photos......

However the problem is that Sony's own software optimization of its own sensors is dogpoop, the pictures are terrible. Yeah if you want to argue that yeah it has the most megapixels etc whatever but that doesn't stand for anything. Sony also promises updates for its camera software but the only thing it focuses on is producing software which allow you to take clown faces. I have a z2 which is only one and a half years old but made me sure that I'd never get a Sony again. If you look at the reviews for the Z5 then the camera is not a strong point.

Ah yes the DXOmark reviews, if you want to put any phone camera ahead of the Nokia 808 or 1020 then you really need to be reinformed. It just seems like they put any new flagship at the top. Look at sample comparisons for yourself between the different camera phones. Speaking of Nokia cameras, they have a really bad rep don't they. Yeah, Microsoft lumia 950xl is going to wipe the floor with z5 like I said earlier.



Uptp 2tb actually :0

I was referring to this deal.. so you agree a sub par gpu and 2k is a poor idea?

Terrible in what sense? The photos look great. I agree that sony messed up the software in early releases as they focuses too much on shutter speed and washing out details. since you own a z2, you may notice that superior auto frequently resorts to sports mode, reducing shutter speed-reducing details. They have since moved away from that and the z2 produces decent pictures. The lower aperture in sony phones means that they let in too much light in bright scenes and tend to be more specific when focusing. On the flip side, they are far superior at night shots and can achieve a semi dslr-like photos. people are subjective, obvious different reviews will say different things but dsomark is a good place to start since they actually have experience in photography.

You suggested that the z5 was up to the level of s3 which is total nonsense. As I said, the camera is one generation ahead of the crowd. The tech is there and it will get even better through firmware.

The nokia 808 has even worse auto software than sony and cannot set the white balance to save its life but in manual mode its unmatched. Its a better camera tho and thats obvious. I did not say otherwise. Is it really a smartphone tho or a camera with the phone? Considering its size, practicality and slow processing for those huge files. Hence why nokia has reduced the MP, reduced the sensor size in attempt to make the phone more "phone". This will have a worse camera than the pureview.

As for this vs z5, its anyones guess but the z5 has been proven to be a very good camera.

I will personally wait for the phone to be released... You will see a lot more better deals than jumping on it at pre-order price. Black Friday/Cyber Monday is around the corner, but if that's too early the Xmas/January sales are just a month later. Waiting one or two months could potentially save you £50-£100 I reckon, and if not, you will almost certainly get a bundle deal for that price when it's actually released. Every Lumia flagship so far has had some kinda offer (Fitbit, wireless bundle, etc).

Just to note that with an NUS Extra card, you get another £24 off this price. I just pre-ordered the 950 XL for 455.99.

No, it might be OK. We don't know how the snapdragon 808 will handle it on a windows platform, but using examples of past windows phones - they have been very well optimized and smooth. Android on the other hand - I agree with you would struggle on the 808.

Yeah it was a bit of a troll comment re s3, but you could also say that its unfair to compare this phone to the z5. This has been one and a half years in the making. Z5 will recieve a new successor in about 4 months - so really the z5 is actually overpriced. Sony keep on making small incremental updates to their phone but have they really sorted out their camera issue if months down the line they have to release updates. This new phone does actually utilize pureview tech so it should be of a high standard. And the 808 doesn't have slow processing times, the shot to shot time is quite good actually... And taking opinion from dsomark is like listening to Jeremy Hunt about the NHS I feel....

I've been quite disappointed with Sony - they made some excellent phones in the past cybershot 810i being my favourite phone of all time. But now they churn out junk - and they sales numbers don't lie - they're not even top 5 in sales. Do you own the z5 yourself?

Sure it will be OK for the interface. The g4 is testament to that and thats on android. But throw some demanding games down its throat and it will struggle. A snapdragon 810 at 1080p will play games twice the framerate of snapdragon 808 at 2k, this will be difference between playable and non playable a few years down the line. which is sad for a top of the range phone at this price point.

Sony do have a habit of updating their phones every few months. But they have almost perfected it with design and features and the camera has been overhauled the first time since the z1. It is a totally different beast. The lack of usb type c puts me off the z5.

I have the same phone as you and really enjoy the camera. I've put it up against an i phone 5s, n5, g3 and it compares very favourably, especially in low light. I do think that they make the android cameras.

Some great comments! Keep it coming....WP rocks!
Personally I'm looking forward to the iris scanner... The sneak peek on you tube looks awesome

And amoled is gorgeous even on my Lumia 925, inky blacks, can't beat it

The 950 will be my next phone, just waiting for a price drop, maybe after Christmas.

Still much better than an iPhone 6s even at this price!

Yeah fair point tbh. I guess we'll see. Lg went with a 808 because of the overheating issues but I think its as bad at overheating. Is it a z2 you have then or a 808, cause I got myself one for the camera. Its only around 129 USD in the states. I really did like my z2 , but the battery was getting worse and worse and it randomly conked out for no reason. I got it fixed but got an Innis d6000 in the interm. Its given me the lesson not to buy Chinese phones ever again. Again, its got a pretty good Sony sensor but takes terrible photos, very unsteady and the advertised 6000ma battery isn't all that. Best to stick to the big retailers

I can only assume that the Windows knockers have never used a Windows Phone. I got the 640 out of curiosity (and because it came with a year's worth of Office for 109 bones) and absolutely love the OS, so much so that I'm planning to jump ship permanently when the 950 comes out.

The app gap is occasionally frustrating, but as I'm not a 15 year old in need of my fix of Snapchat etc. I think I can cope with the smoother, cleaner, more efficient OS as a trade-off. I'll wait for the reviews, but if the 950 delivers on the promise of its specs it's going to be a corker.

Don't think there's ever going to be one :disappointed:

Microsoft really love to shoot themselves in the foot by announcing the products too early then finally releasing them when all the hype has died down. Still interested myself but will have to drop below £400 for me to have a stab at XL.

Love os. But absolutely hate browser. Ie,uc,etc all crap.

Exactly, they went for the 808 because of the over heating. But the 808 has to work harder and it too over heats. In the end causing more throttleling than the 810. Its a horrible choice. Gpu tech isn't there for these silly resolutions. In the LG throttles more than smart phones using the 810....... When the heat pipes are well designed, the over heating is not an issue.
I have a z2 and think the camera is great. I got it soon after release and am the first to admit the software was shoddy. It used to always pick sport mode. Now. The camera has drastically improved. I used it to take pictures of fireworks in pitch black and it made it look like there was a second sun. Also, if the Xperia overheat - dump them in water :wink:

FYI it won't be Windows Phone anymore as it is called Windows 10 Mobile from now on

oh ! I must of imagined it then! :sunglasses:

Checking T&Cs here https://www.microsoft.com/en-gb/mobile/microsoft-display-dock-offer/ you should get dock as long as Amazon is an authorised UK retailer for MS, is it?

Amazon are listed as resellers for the XL, so would hope they are authorised:

http://www.microsoft.com/en-gb/mobile/phone/lumia950-xl/offers/?opp=10

Page seems to change to another for some reason. Go to 950xl and to the 'sim free' button. Brings up a list of resellers. Amazon is there as the cheapest with microsoft, unlocked mobile and clove as the others.

you don't need an official YouTube app the alternatives are far better TubeCast/Metrotube for example, you can download videos and listen to anything in the background(even playlists on metro tube) also no adverts. What more can you get from the official app?

You don't need the official YouTube app, Tubecast and Metrotube are very good alternatives. You can download videos, listen to anything in the background including playlists. Also there are no adverts. What are you missing from the official YouTube app?

oh I use metrotube and 6tag, however to be taken seriously and to allows users to migrate to WIndows 10 mobile, you need to have official apps

During the keynote for the release of these and the SP4's they did mention that Facebook are doing an official W10 app - so i'd hope that there will be an Instagram too, and other companies will follow.

TBH, 6tag is brilliant. Rudy the chap who made it now works for Dropbox on their app for Windows mobile, but still keeps it updated.

:-)

Yea...but I want to ignore those bad rumours...and hope...

Ours will. Being in education our lecturers primarily use office. Having the flexibility of carrying these small devices to and from classes as well as hooking up to vc's and smartboards will only help in asset management and distribution. There should also be less need to reimage and muck about with drivers.

Love windows phones, but when i eventually jumped to android early this year there was still no sky apps (sky wifi, sky go ect) and no amazon prime app, have they eventually got this sorted? or does anyone know if they will under windows 10 mobile? its a shame as its a great mobile operating system, I think the lack of high end phones over the last couple of years hasn't helped either, the lumia 925 was released near 2 and a half years ago, until now the lumia 930 was the only flagship windows phone in that time, serious lack of choice for people, would help if other manufacturers climbed aboard.

android?

If you're a Very custom with a credit account with them you can order the 950 for £449 and they'll take 10% off in January taking it down to £405 with 12 months interest free credit to pay for it.

Flubit have come in at £455 for the XL

Not sure i'd trust 'Fireworks' the company they always use to get it quickly, and guess the dock freebie would be a no. Still, good to see that further discounts can be had!

£464.99 at Amazon now.

updated... thanks

950 now £414.85