Macbook air i5 in the same price backet doesn't have an i5-5257U it has an i5-5250U so those two links are meaningless. The i5-5250U is only a 1.6ghz base clock not 2.7ghz as in your link.

I can't tell if you're just spreading false information for the sake of winning an argument or genuinely don't see you're wrong but on a consumer advice thread where someone might believe you on gauging a buying decision you need to either get facts straight or go and do your trolling on reddit.

I suspect the problem you'll have with this is its very close to 13" Apple laptops pricing which do have legendary build & design quality which HP don't have and of course can still run Windows if that's you're thing too.

Specs etc are great but despite not liking Apple generally & their rabid fans at all I'd be looking to put my money there especially if you know a student that will get you educational pricing.

Better than Macbook :smiley:

The I5, is a much better deal and the battery will be much better due to 1080p screen. Speed different will be neglibable, you should post this as a deal in itself.

I suspect the problem you'll have with this is its very close to 13" Apple laptops pricing which do have legendary build & design quality which HP don't have and of course can still run Windows if that's you're thing too.

Specs etc are great but despite not liking Apple generally & their rabid fans at all I'd be looking to put my money there especially if you know a student that will get you educational pricing.

Better than Macbook :smiley:

hot deal

I'm not liking the fake review posted on the site blatantly by HP employees. Bunch of crooks. Heat tho, on par with dell xps

I have a slightly higher spec'd ZBook 15 G2 that cost a lot more than this... :disappointed::disappointed::disappointed: - this is a very very good price

This or Surface Pro 4... oh dillemmas. I like the portability of Surface Pro and the whole pen-touch thingy, but the specs on this one easily beat Microsoft's tablet

good spec, but wait until the 27th and you might get an even better offer... :confused:

You can also get the i5 version with Full HD screen for £584.98 using this voucher.

http://store.hp.com/UKStore/Merch/Product.aspx?id=P0R94EA&opt=ABU&sel=NTB#cart

I'm quite tempted but lack of reviews is putting me off.

"Cashback is not eligible following the use of a voucher code not posted by TopCashback"

The I5, is a much better deal and the battery will be much better due to 1080p screen. Speed different will be neglibable, you should post this as a deal in itself.

I have ordered one using the education discount which brought it down to £779 without the code. The education discount store doesn't seem to work with any normal discount codes

No full online reviews yet but you can't argue with those specs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQFfqOTpAF4

I bought the i5 and QHD screen few days ago for 550 after trade-in and I'm very pleased. Great specs, superb screen, and battery lasts 6+ hours of intensive usage. Sound is not the gratest tho, but that would be the only con

Do these have backlit keyboards?

tempted by the i5

I've fallen for marketing tags? You think an apple product of a lower spec outperforms a none apple product of a higher spec because why?

A 1.6ghz (2.7ghz turbo) i5-5250U with will outperform a 2.5ghz (3.1ghz turbo) i7-6500U?

And as you said Broadwell vs Skylake means less energy efficient and lower graphics performance. And i5 vs i7 isn't just marketing. Yes on laptop they are both dual core with hypeythreading but you still have a higher cache on the i7.

We're not talking huge leaps but still higher performance.

Why do you think the Macbook i5 outperforms the i7 here?
Looking at Passmark, i5-5250u = 3679, i7-6500u = 4241.

​Thanks

You can't get a macbook pro for this kind of price, it would have to be a macbook air 13" which has a i5-5250U. The i7-6500U in this laptop outperforms that by 20-25%.

This looks like a cracking laptop!

Macbook air i5 in the same price backet doesn't have an i5-5257U it has an i5-5250U so those two links are meaningless. The i5-5250U is only a 1.6ghz base clock not 2.7ghz as in your link.

I can't tell if you're just spreading false information for the sake of winning an argument or genuinely don't see you're wrong but on a consumer advice thread where someone might believe you on gauging a buying decision you need to either get facts straight or go and do your trolling on reddit.

do you know how long the code is valid for?

So, big resolution on such a tiny screen... this is what I think of people using it

powerfull

In case anyone does not realise this is not a touch screen

do they do a 15inch version? if not, what monitor should i get please going for the i5 one. ta.

Wow, great specs and excellent price. Apple shareholders will be clutching their chest.

MS has very little to do with that. fact.
3rd party apps is what in most cases fails with scaling.

There are plenty of parts of the Windows operating system itself that blur up when scaled. Fair enough they are parts that Microsoft are trying to deprecate, but it's still an awkward user experience.

I had a 2013 HP Envy i7 4th gen, was nice when it worked, ended up getting rid and getting a smaller 15" Envy i7 which also screwed up, so I got rid and got a HP Probook which was rock solid as it's made by HP and not an outsourced consumer model. I ended up selling it to a friend and bought a Mac Mini 2014 for development purposes.

up and down scaling was, and always will be an issue no matter what. That's why screens and apps should be used in their native resolution to get the best experience. On 13" close to 4k screen resolution is unnecessary, use a better panel instead ( and I am a pixel peeper ).

I don't agree high PPI is unnecessary. My 204dpi Dell Venue display is so much nicer to look at than a regular monitor. And most of Windows and most of the apps I use scale perfectly at 150%

I'm not talking about running a lower resolution on it and scaling in that manner. That makes everything look horrid. It's running at the native resolution with Windows display scaling set to 150%. Apps that support it properly run scaled as though the screen were only 1280 x 720 but absolutely pin sharp. Apps that don't are zoomed which is what causes the blurryness.

Windows 10 still doesn't know what it wants to be, it has two settings panels; Control Panel and Settings, they've moved Windows Update from Control Panel to Settings. Settings gives you dumbed down settings and new settings. It's a complete mess. I've started using Build 10586 (Threshold 2) and some UI elements are getting better, however it really does feel like an unfinished operating system. I've probably installed it on 300+ computers in the last few months and it's had plenty of terrible bugs, it's certainly better now and the activation is now fantastic as you don't need to upgrade from a previous OS. However of all the computers we've installed it on, it's not been a selling point, in fact most people know it's buggy and don't want it.

Windows 10 is starting to be what it should have been, possibly if MS had waited and actually got the UI elements right or just even waited and released 10586, that would have helped. I can tell you from my experience with consumers that the reputation of Windows 10 is damaged already and quite possibly irrefutably. For want of a better word Windows 10 has been a complete and utter ballache in my line of work which is computer refurbishment. The best feature for me of 10586 is not need a previous OS to upgrade from, that saves so much time.

Shame about the fat bezels. I'm typing this on the XPS 13 (2015). I don't think Dell have anything to worry about.

Never mind the fatness, feel the width.

You can run Windows fully native on a Mac using boot camp as the Mac hardware is no different to bog standard windows laptop/pc hardware.

I don't understand how they can advertise a 10 hour battery life.

It's got a 45wh battery.

Is there a single scenario where the processor + screen + SSD + other components use less than 4.5w?

Watching a movie on 10% brightness, with every other setting (wifi, Bluetooth, etc) assiduously turned off, perhaps?

But if you were to actually use the i7 processor for work at its advertised power draw (15w), it would be technically impossible for the battery to last more than 3 hours. Probably 2 1/2 hrs with 50% brightness.

Mixed use, 4-5 hours perhaps.

Don't get me wrong, it looks like a decent laptop spec - just don't buy an i7 laptop with a qhd screen and only a 45wh battery and expect to get 10 hours of battery life.

Whatever the marketing hype, HP haven't found a way to defeat the laws of physics.

Just look at the longer bars of the i7 than the i5 on the graphs which you had referred to and you will realise you shot yourself in the foot.

So does this have a skylake processor?

how do you get the cashback thing? and for a 15.6" Intel celeron laptop (4gb ram and 500gb HDD) how much will the give back?

In the context of the other commentators, they didn't assume, ity was you who assumed that they are wrong when they were right in the context of the two family of models : Macbook and HP Envy.

I'm happy to be corrected, but surely 45wh IS the capacity of the battery?

Really, I'm no expert on this - but eg, if the components draw 45watts, it'll last for 1 hour, 15 watts it'll last 3 hrs, 10 watts 4.5 hrs, 4.5 watts 10 hrs etc etc

I'm not actually sure if we disagree :smiley:

My main point, as above, is that if you actually use this laptop for power/graphics hungry applications & the proc is working at (or near) it's advertised clockspeed, It'll be drawing 15 watts. The qhd screen will be drawing ~3 watts and the battery can't last more than 2 1/2 hrs.

If you're just browsing, word processing or watching videos or something you'll get a longer battery life, but why would you need an i7 for that?

It's £779 if you have access to unidays

I believe you're right. Watt hours is the total capacity. Just like batteries are in milliamperes per hour, but they omit the voltage because it's fixed (1.2v). And watts is just volts times amps. So a 1.2v battery at 1000mah would deliver 1.2 watts for an hour, or 1.2whr. Or 0.6 watts for 2 hours, etc.

The whole area of battery is quite complex in maths in how it is calculated. In brief you just have to look at test reviews and see what happens in actual IDLE and in light usage or in video viewing hours.
Dell's web site for my battery of 50 Whr, it has a footnote as a dislaimer: "The stated Watt Hour (WHr) is not an indication of battery life." What this means then is that you can pull 50 watts out for an hour. But there are lots of variables, you may remember that in your school days, volts X amps = power (Watts). The battery is typically at 14-18 volts but the internals on the motherboard runs at a variety of voltages. Only one measure that indicates how long a battery lasts is the amps (mAh). Moreover when components run at different powers (amps) there is something call power efficient factor. Lastly the battery itself has power efficiency % for charging and for discharging which also depends on the millamps being drawn. Some watts are also lost in the cables. There is only one measure that indicates how long a battery lasts, that's mAh but they don't really like to tell you this. You can find out more from here and elsewhere http://www.ebay.com/gds/Different-Laptop-Battery-Power-Ratings-Explained-/10000000177329870/g.html

Read my post above and its link to eBAY to explain a little why you method is wrong.

I still think watt hours is the indication of capacity, even after reading that article. Mah is only half the story. Watts is both voltage and amps. I would say mah is not the whole picture. It doesn't say at what voltage. Where as watts can be broken down into the possible volts vs amps. 45whr, is 45 watts for one hour. That 45 watts could be 45 volts @ 1 amp, or 1 volt @ 45 amps. Both equates to the same thing. Or 22.5 volts @ 1 amp for 2 hours. Mah is meaningless because if it says 1000 mah, what voltage? 10, 100? Where as watts is total energy.

Power efficiency will skew things a little, but that's not to do with the actual capacity in the battery.

That's why I started by saying the maths is complicated. You cannot use simply use the VA=W formula from school ays, that's what I am saying. If you go on to the Xiaomi web site, for example, where they say, for their power banks, the ones which went over 1000 deg hot here sold by Banggood, it will explain what is capacity, what is usable capacity and what is cable loss blah blah, which gives you a bit more information but still not full explanation. So that's why I suggested we need to read a battery run benchmark test in actual usage in order to get some sensible battery run times. Doing simple calculation suggest my 50Whr battery should last 4-5 hours but in real life it does me from 09:00 to 16:00/17:00 with a very large number of varables involved. Likewise I drive one of those VW engines with wonderful emission control emission and fabulous CO2 and NO2 readings and mpg but the true readings are totally different in real life.

Fair point, the correlation between battery specs and actual runtime do seem pretty disconnected. Even with same CPU. Would be interested to see where the power is going in less efficient laptops.

Doh - re-read the title!

Can't get why there are no reviews of this on the net though?

Has anyone bought this and had it track on TCB at the right amount, or correct to the correct amount after a few days yet?

Any expected reviews on this? I have bought this but still no sign of any reviews.

Thanks & fair point; but makes u wonder why apple fans are prepared to pay more though.

Yeah could be. Why would a laptop like this have no reviews as of yet

The only strong justification is to run OSX. Other than that while the chips inside are just plain old Windows compatible intel gear, though usually a generation out of date, they are nicely built devices and people praise apple support.

But it's just a really expensive way to run Windows given you have to buy a license as well.

Yeah, wouldn't let me use the code once I'd gone through unidays. Off to the states next week so holding off buying one myself just yet incase I see something over there!

might be of some use:

https://youtu.be/kQFfqOTpAF4

Found this review - Its in german but perfectly readable with google translate

http://www.notebookinfo.de/tests/notebooks/hp-envy-13-d020ng-notebook-im-test-neues-ultrabook-nach-alter-schule/716/

After reading up on Skylake CPUs it appears that the I7 isn't that much of an improvement over the I5.

So, if you're not fussed about the bigger screen res and the extra space. Maybe opt for the I5 version.

Gone ahead and purchased the I5 myself. £584 after discount.

yeah i went for the i5 lastnight

was gonna wait for black friday but i like the spec of this HP

I've got it now love it already. Yeah the battery life isn't 10 hours it boasts if you have it on full brightness but you can get good 7 Hours out of this if on low brightness.

Wouldn't know because im not apple guy.

Anybody got this?

How's the gloss screen?

Bargain. Decent support and lots of heat from me.

I had a look at this one in PC World today -screen is way too glossy compared to the 1080p one!

HP Envy 13 unboxing ..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffPA8ZmNAps

Excellent laptop - light, very fast, good keyboard, superb screen with 'normal' application windows, for example browsers, Office 2007, Windows 10 OS windows.

But certain windows don't scale properly to the QHD 3200 x 1800 screen resolution and have miniscule unreadable text, for example Adobe Reader XI's 'About' window, Office 2007 Pro installation screens (product key input boxes and custom installation options invisible) and Office 2007 VBA Help are the ones I've seen so far. Even the LogMeIn chat window that HP Support used to investigate suffers from the problem - I had to use a magnifying glass to read the chat log! And once the remote connection was established it was easier to use Notepad as the chat window! Ridiculous.

Seems to be a common industry-wide problem with Windows OS and QHD screens that's been around for at least 2 years going by these blogs/forums:

http://www.hanselman.com/blog/LivingAHighDPIDesktopLifestyleCanBePainful.aspx
http://www.danantonielli.com/adobe-app-scaling-on-high-dpi-displays-fix/ (the fix didn't work for Adobe About window)
http://en.community.dell.com/support-forums/laptop/f/3518/t/19635059
http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_8-desktop/menu-and-other-font-sizes-too-small/ad50ea6e-8f3b-4707-ae88-70eb1e8de0e7?auth=1

would the entry level MacBook pro with128gb ssd beat this laptop in terms of specification? looking for opinions?

Had this laptop (i7, £800) for a couple of weeks, key takeaways:

* keyboard is very good, responsiveness and spacing are both first class.
* battery life is obviously nowhere near the ten hours advertised but then surely you weren't gullible enough to believe that anyway?
* trackpad is hit and miss. scrolling and one touch actions are passable but i've been really let down by right click functionality. Two finger clicks work only half of the time unless you make a conscious, forced decision to use both fingers.
* screen resolution: as stated above, many third party apps are simply not compatible with a UHD screen resulting in tiny font sizes and barely legible interfaces. very frustrating.
* overheating: not had the machine for long and yet ive already experienced problems on this front.
* design: beautiful looking machine, very lightweight.

Overall: I'm in two minds as to whether or not I want to take this machine back and get a Macbook Pro in its place. Will post another review in another couple weeks time depending on my experience.

Had this laptop (i7, £800) for a couple of weeks, key takeaways:

* keyboard is very good, responsiveness and spacing are both first class.
* battery life is obviously nowhere near the ten hours advertised but then surely you weren't gullible enough to believe that anyway?
* trackpad is hit and miss. scrolling and one touch actions are passable but i've been really let down by right click functionality. Two finger clicks work only half of the time unless you make a conscious, forced decision to use both fingers.
* screen resolution: as stated above, many third party apps are simply not compatible with a UHD screen resulting in tiny font sizes and barely legible interfaces. very frustrating.
* overheating: not had the machine for long and yet ive already experienced problems on this front.
* design: beautiful looking machine, very lightweight.

Overall: I'm in two minds as to whether or not I want to take this machine back and get a Macbook Pro in its place. Will post another review in another couple weeks time depending on my experience.

Finally going take mine back

This laptop is £764.10 now with code: BFQ11608 :smile:

I took mine back. The QHD+ screen is just not nice (screen bleed and overall just feels poor quality) and the performance was fairly lacklustre too.