Now I am not sure if one can class this as a good deal, but then I think as you get a 12 month warranty it is essentially the same as buying new!
The elephant in the room will be....what happens if it goes wrong.... simply, you return it to Amazon, I have done many a return to Amazon and it works the same way, except you choose the postage and they refund it after they receive it, in fact it tends to get there quicker than in this country :)
if you are on a budget, this could be a good deal, I am not convinced either way, but I know the 12 month warranty is a good thing :)
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JellybearXo
18 Oct 154#4
I would highly recommend buyers to read the reviews for this item before purchasing - SHOCKING
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budget_bob
20 Oct 15#29
Pay a bit more and get a new model, cold from me
Rhythmeister
19 Oct 15#28
I thought all electrical good such as consoles, TVs etc had 24 months warranty! I'd best read up on that :smiley:
Tequila
19 Oct 15#27
Don't worry about economic models and pricing strategies,just stick to basics for now.I just tried to educate you because you made silly comments and then denied it.next time think before saying something you have no idea.:wink:
kirayanmato
19 Oct 15#26
Thanks heat added
fweddy
19 Oct 15#25
Click on the link in the quotes.
I don't have the time to teach pricing strategies and economic models to you, maybe another day.
Tequila
19 Oct 15#24
You said %10 cheaper quality parts are being used.which is not true.
parts becoming cheaper after few years is different than lower quality cheaper parts being used as you said.
they were not making any profit on hardware initially,and were aiming at profit from software and services they sell.even when parts become cheaper after 2-3 years,I doubt they make noticeable profit on hardware.it's all about software sales and services.. that's how console business works nowadays.same applies to Microsoft consoles.
Nintendo though are different and follow a different business model,they definitely aim to profit on hardware too.thats why their consoles are often lower end hardware wise.
fweddy
19 Oct 15#23
I think you misunderstood or I wasn't clear. 2 years ago internal parts would have been more expensive, fast forward to today and suppliers of the original parts can now make them much more cheaper.
This saving has not yet been filtered to the end consumers (us). Like mentioned previously, price cuts are coming.
Tequila
19 Oct 151#22
that's not the true at all.
quality-wise everything is the same,changes are minor,and based on user feedback:
-slight change to internal thermal system and fans..will use a little less energy and makes less noise but will run slighly warmer.
-use of 1GB (8x) ram modules instead of 512 MBs (x16)..results in slightly less power usage
-shiny top pannel is now replaced with matt pannel due to complaints about the shinny part getting scratched,showing dust and fingerprints and marks.
-power and eject buttons are changed from touch sensitive to physical.
-the LED light bar on console is now shorter in length but brighter.
the cost saving changes usually happen when they fully redesign the console (slim and super slim) this is not the case here,these are minor improvements that's why it's not officially a new model and only geeks and hard core fans are aware. :smiley:
adv
19 Oct 15#21
Picked up one of these when it was around 180. 3 days delivery and no problems at all other than it didn't have the Micro USB cable for the control, a friend received one with his, only about a quid though and I bought a dock anyway.
moneychop
19 Oct 151#20
they would love on that argument seeing how you can access 18+ content on it
fweddy
19 Oct 15#19
and +10% cheaper quality internals to cut costs albeit
Tequila
19 Oct 15#18
And less fan noise
STi_prodrive
19 Oct 151#16
what are the difference between the new and old ?
jamhops to STi_prodrive
19 Oct 15#17
Energy efficiency 10%, weight -10% and looks i think thats about it
But you get a 24 month warranty with a new one don't you?
fattyuk to Rhythmeister
18 Oct 15#2
no lol
Aeschylus to Rhythmeister
18 Oct 152#3
no, well yes, but no.... you could if you were happy to take the company to court, but in reality you are never going to do that are you?
so 12 months it is
ashsufc1889 to Rhythmeister
19 Oct 151#12
You will if you buy from John Lewis
BungalowBill
19 Oct 15#8
Unbelievable. When I posted Grade A customer returns at Gem Discounts of this a few weeks ago, it went super super cold in record time. Why is a similar priced deal from Amazon for reconditioned models any better!?
thomas25 to BungalowBill
19 Oct 151#9
im on benefits and i still bought a new one
Aeschylus to BungalowBill
19 Oct 15#11
I would only surmise
Gem Discounts vs Amazon.... only one winner
but dont try to figure it out, as it makes no sense anymore on here, for example my other deal, which I think is a 100% a better deal went cold
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The elephant in the room will be....what happens if it goes wrong.... simply, you return it to Amazon, I have done many a return to Amazon and it works the same way, except you choose the postage and they refund it after they receive it, in fact it tends to get there quicker than in this country :)
if you are on a budget, this could be a good deal, I am not convinced either way, but I know the 12 month warranty is a good thing :)
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I don't have the time to teach pricing strategies and economic models to you, maybe another day.
parts becoming cheaper after few years is different than lower quality cheaper parts being used as you said.
they were not making any profit on hardware initially,and were aiming at profit from software and services they sell.even when parts become cheaper after 2-3 years,I doubt they make noticeable profit on hardware.it's all about software sales and services.. that's how console business works nowadays.same applies to Microsoft consoles.
Nintendo though are different and follow a different business model,they definitely aim to profit on hardware too.thats why their consoles are often lower end hardware wise.
I think you misunderstood or I wasn't clear. 2 years ago internal parts would have been more expensive, fast forward to today and suppliers of the original parts can now make them much more cheaper.
This saving has not yet been filtered to the end consumers (us). Like mentioned previously, price cuts are coming.
quality-wise everything is the same,changes are minor,and based on user feedback:
-slight change to internal thermal system and fans..will use a little less energy and makes less noise but will run slighly warmer.
-use of 1GB (8x) ram modules instead of 512 MBs (x16)..results in slightly less power usage
-shiny top pannel is now replaced with matt pannel due to complaints about the shinny part getting scratched,showing dust and fingerprints and marks.
-power and eject buttons are changed from touch sensitive to physical.
-the LED light bar on console is now shorter in length but brighter.
the cost saving changes usually happen when they fully redesign the console (slim and super slim) this is not the case here,these are minor improvements that's why it's not officially a new model and only geeks and hard core fans are aware. :smiley:
so 12 months it is
Gem Discounts vs Amazon.... only one winner
but dont try to figure it out, as it makes no sense anymore on here, for example my other deal, which I think is a 100% a better deal went cold
http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/ps4-500gb-console-new-model-uncharted-collection-destiny-taken-king-three-months-2303378