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Dusterfluster
17 Oct 15
Not sure how this will go down but this is a hell of a big car for the money.
Not the best reviews, not the best economy but this is a full size SUV for Super Mini pricing.
You can finance £6K on interest free for 36 months also.
So chopping out the first 1-2 years depreciation.
Offer on is until they sell out or until the end of the month, which ever is soonest.

Specs
http://www.vauxhall.co.uk/vehicles/vauxhall-range/cars/antara/features-and-specifications/trims-models.html

EXCLUSIV FWD
Take the off-road experience to a higher level with this sophisticated and practical model.
Antara Exclusiv standard features include:
Switchable electronic stability programme (ESP)
Anti-lock braking system (ABS)
Descent control system (DCS)
Hill start assist (HSA)
Six airbags
Air conditioning
Electrically heated front seats
Adjustable steering column
Three-spoke, leather-covered steering wheel
Leather-covered gear knob (manual models only)
Front fog lights
Dark-tinted glass (excludes windscreen and front-door windows)
Automatic, self-levelling rear suspension
Silver-effect roof rails
Electrically adjustable / heated door mirrors
Electric parking brake
CD player with MP3 format / auxiliary-in socket / stereo radio (CD 40 MP3)
Bluetooth® connectivity
17-inch alloy wheels with 235 / 65 R 17 low profile tyres
Remote controlled alarm system
Rear seat, centre armrest with cupholders.
Top comments
qz177c
17 Oct 15 35 #8
Surely they should of changed the design of the stereo by now. Reminds me of being in a vectra. A roller coaster was more comfortable.

On a serious note, looks really tacky.

http://i58.tinypic.com/2yzdb2a.jpg
flagstaff19651
17 Oct 15 23 #1
Think this answers the question.. Why is it so cheap??

http://m.whatcar.com/car-reviews/vauxhall/antara-crossover/summary/25622-3
davidbrent
18 Oct 15 22 #66
To paraphrase Alan Partridge..

Alan Partridge': "Lynn, I am not driving a Vauxhall Antara"

Lynn: "But its got heated front seats and 17 inch alloys!"

Alan: " I am not driving a Vauxhall Antara!"

Lynn: "..But..it's got a 2.2 litre engine and full size SUV for super mini pricing, Alan!! And..."

Alan: "Lynn, there's no point finishing the sentence as I'll just talk over you!!"

Lynn:

Alan: "Go on, try and finish the sentence and see what I do."

Lynn: "Got Bluetooth connectiv..."

Alan: "I am not driving a Vauxhall Antara!!!"
Nesima to jayd95
18 Oct 15 9 #57
It's a Renault, so utter rubbish, all the quality of Pepsi can and a nightmare to work on.
Electrics are good for probably 5 years then they become a nightmare.
Latest comments (175)
Dusterfluster
23 Oct 15 #175
As far as I can tell I seem to be averaging about 42MPG, I am happy with that for a 2000kg car, especially as over the half of the miles were at shall we say at a brisk pace down the motorway. :wink:
Should get better as the engine loosens up over the next few thousand miles.

I am sure now most of the horror stories have been from short journey driving.
monkeyhanger75
21 Oct 15 #174
Nope, my mate's company Merc A200 diesel is the same - EU6 variants take a lot longer to warm up than their EU5 predecessors. The current EU6 compliant VW TDI engines are not under suspicion - the EU5 ones are affected, like those seen on MK6 Golfs or my old 2011 Scircco 170TDI. My GTD took a lot longer to warm up than the Scirocco. One of my mates has a 2011 A4 2.0TDI 136ps (they squeezed it into the £30 tax disc bracket at that output) and he got his recall notice yesterday.

Outside gridlocked cities NOx disperses quite quickly, i'd be more concerned with getting the old pre-DPF diesels off the road. Saying that, my Golf R's tailpipes get quite sooty whereas the wife's A1 1.6TDI has an immaculately clean tailpipe - guess which one is throwing out more particulates?
bengalknights
21 Oct 15 #173
Excellent deal for the vehicle compared to rival offers on the market
soldierboy001
21 Oct 15 #172
Maybe that is peculiar to Volkswagen because they are to busy warming up the emission fiddle electronics.
monkeyhanger75
20 Oct 15 #171
Perhaps slightly older diesels, the most up to date ones take a long time to warm up in comparison as the heat generated by the engine is being diverted to warming up the DPF as quickly as possible, especially EU6 compliant ones. My Scirocco 170TDI warmed up much quicker than my MK7 GTD - at least 8 miles in the summer before my oil was up to 90C on the GTD, 10 miles in the winter.
Dusterfluster
20 Oct 15 #170
Just picked mine up
tubbyhubby
20 Oct 15 1 #169
Heat added as i really fancy buying one. Has anyone bit the bullet and ordered this deal.
soldierboy001
20 Oct 15 #168
My workings were based on you getting maximum efficiency after 5 miles as I have never had a modern diesel that had not warmed up after 5 miles and I got
10 miles = 45MPG
20 miles = 54MPG
50 miles = 57.5 MPG
That is why I queried your figures.
monkeyhanger75
19 Oct 15 #167
Don't you, if driving a car with a diesel engine? The diesel engine is very inefficient when cold, as it warms up the mpg improves. It will peak at about 20 miles, but all that means is that the further you drive it in a journey, the more diluted the effect of the early poor mpg in the journey.

Take for example my old GTD, not the exact figures, but you see the accumulative effect of mpg as the car warms up:-

First 5 miles, it is doing 35mpg, so in the first 5 miles it has consumed 0.143 gallons

Next 5 miles it averages 50mpg, so in miles 5-10 it has consumed 0.100 gallons, but over the 10 miles it has consumed 0.243 gallons and averaged 41mpg.

Next 5 miles it averages 55mpg, so in miles 10-15 it has consumed 0.091 gallons, but over the 15 miles it has consumed 0.334 gallons and averaged 45mpg.

Next 5 miles it averages 60mpg, so in miles 15-20 it has consumed 0.083 gallons, but over the 20 miles it has consumed 0.417 gallons and averaged 48mpg.

And so on..... Do a 200 mile journey and those first 20 miles at an average of 48mpg have very little effect on the overall mpg when 180 of those miles were done at maximum efficiency of 60mpg - getting you very close to a 60mpg average.
defgimp
17 Oct 15 1 #7
Don't actually dislike these, anyone out there in HUKDland actually got this model/spec?
Are they any good from personal experience? :smiley:
Dusterfluster to defgimp
17 Oct 15 1 #9
From what I here (as with all diesels) they are no good if you are doing mainly short journeys an the DPF and MPG get hammered.
But to be honest people moan about the same issues on nearly all diesels. Shoddy research and manufacturers and dealers not being clear on what type of driving suits a diesel are the main issues. :smiley:
Think the pre 2011 versions had a number of quality issues but the face lift seems to be a lot better.
deano86 to defgimp
19 Oct 15 #166
I've got a 15 plate, and had before that a 13
Plate and love the car.
Both times had the Diamond FWD, but my parents have had the Exclusive twice. Love
The car
soldierboy001
19 Oct 15 1 #165
Yes I'll grant you that, I was just quoting Peter Vardy and miss leading advertising.
Dusterfluster
19 Oct 15 #164
Don't think it will have much offroad credentials other than its high ride height.
But where I work is down a country lane with grass verges so it will help a lot when I have to go on them for oncoming cars etc.
soldierboy001
19 Oct 15 #163
Just rechecked and they both have the header as 2007, I can't see to get 2011 but I haven't got as much savvy as you, so maybe later model does have better MPG.
Also this appears to be a 4X2 so how do you feel the off road experience in this as stated in the dealer blurb?
Dusterfluster
19 Oct 15 #162
​2007 was the 2l. you click on the 2.2 which is the 2011 onwards one?
Dusterfluster
18 Oct 15 #160
I like how since I have posted this the "owners" real MPG figures on Honest John has dropped from 40.4mpg to 38mpg.

Noting to do with "non owners" on this site at all.:wink:
soldierboy001 to Dusterfluster
19 Oct 15 #161
Honest John figures relevant to 2007 figures so not relevant to this later model, so can not be used as a comparison.
soldierboy001
18 Oct 15 #159
Why do you get different MPG on 20 mile journey and 50 mile journey?
Dusterfluster
18 Oct 15 #158
Nope, 4X4 still have worse fuel economy with 2 or 4 wheel drive engaged as they are taking around an extra gearbox and 2 extra drive shafts.
MaximusRo
18 Oct 15 #157
That's not the reason, is mostly about the price. The 4x4 will only kick in when manually switched on or the car electronics sense it is needed.
leahwalls5
18 Oct 15 1 #156
I have this car , bought from new last September , I love it , part exchanged my insignia . I don't find it too bad on diesel either and love the driving position. Think this is good I paid more but for the better version
flagstaff19651
17 Oct 15 23 #1
Think this answers the question.. Why is it so cheap??

http://m.whatcar.com/car-reviews/vauxhall/antara-crossover/summary/25622-3
Dusterfluster to flagstaff19651
17 Oct 15 7 #2
Not sure if that is th pre 2011 engine update, suspension and interior update?
Depends if you reviewed it at £14K I suppose rather than at nearly £22K? prefer this to a Dacia duster to be honest.
Owners seem reasonably happy on reevoo
http://www.vauxhall.co.uk/vehicles/vauxhall-range/cars/antara/antara-reviews.html

The reason it is so cheap is though is because it is being replaced in 2016 and they have purchased a bulk amount of the remaining stock.

Good deal in my books, but others may think otherwise.
Why_not to flagstaff19651
18 Oct 15 1 #155
All true, but the review is done at £20k+ list price, it would be better value for money @ £13k
Dusterfluster
18 Oct 15 #154
No,

The discount knocks out about 1-2 years depreciation. 2012 plate at the moment with around 15-30K on it is around £12K.

I didn't take the 0%into account be honest. that is why when I wrote it it was not on the same line.
Vendee
18 Oct 15 #153
Sorry!!!! The £6k might be interest free but you still have to pay the £6k back. It certainly isn't chopping out 1-2 years of depreciation unless you think 1-2 years depreciation is £425..... which is what your interest free deal is saving you.
Dusterfluster
18 Oct 15 1 #152
I have also been driving diesels for over 10 years and know how to drive them to avoid DPFs affecting economy.
I think the problem is most people see average 44mpg and expect to get it driving the kids 2 mile to school.
Dusterfluster
18 Oct 15 #151
​Yes, I always check hotdeals for car info as generally everyone is so honest.
Apparently dealers tel you they do 13mpg if you believe everyone on this site
Also do owners on here state what driving they are doing and in a 2wd or 4wd model.
I will be happy with around 35mpg to be honest and think with the type of driving I do that should be possible.
We have a 1.6 d2 v40 cc and I get identical to the averages posted on honest john.
Sykos
18 Oct 15 #149
"235 / 65 R 17 low profile tyres"

nothing low profile about 65
Dusterfluster
18 Oct 15 2 #148
​Average MPG on all journeys Kuga 2l 163 (nearest to this) is 39mpg.
Same site for this is 40.4mpg.

As those figures are logged by owners they should both be fairly accurate and similar in response.
Dusterfluster
18 Oct 15 1 #147
​According to honest john real world mpg people are averaging 40mpg in these?
joeann1
18 Oct 15 #146
According to ford owners there getting around 34-38 real world driving with the car a lot better that 22 from antara
monkeyhanger75
18 Oct 15 1 #145
Can YOU get 40mpg in a Kuga doing the exact same driving as you would've done in the Vauxhall?

2 different people on 2 different routes, the variables are huge (driving style, congestion, length of journey, Ambient temp and humidity, how full/heavy the car is etc.). I used to have a Golf GTD. I'd generally get 47mpg average, on my 12 mile commute, my mate on his 40 mile commute got 56mpg in his.

Diesels with standard stop-start will generally only see 80% of published combined figure if on a decent run. Diesels need time to warm up. Driving my GTD on relatively uncluttered roads in the Summer I would see the following:-

5 mile journey = 35mpg
10 mile journey = 45mpg
20 mile journey = 50mpg
50 mile journey = 55mpg
>100 miles maintaining 80mph on the motorway = 59mpg

Knock 5mpg off those figures in the winter, and if you're perpetually stuck in traffic your mpg will get hammered.

My wife has an A1 1.6TDI (116PS), I can take it to work on my 20 mile each way commute and generally get 59mpg driving it quite hard, it is usually a 35 minute journey. One day last week I hit a fair bit of traffic that turned it into a 1 hour journey, and the mpg dropped to 42mpg for the journey.

Add short journey regular congested city driving into the mix and then your DPF filling up rapidly as it doesn't get the opportunity to burn it off in a passive regen and you can see your mpg plummet.

My Golf R is half the mpg that the A1 is when on an uncluttered road, but 3/4 of it when driving in congestion. If I was shuffling through the city on a regular basis, i'd probably be after a small displacement turbo petrol engine.
blackrat62
18 Oct 15 3 #56
Please don't get one, every gadget on mine keeps failing - electronic handbrake, cruise comtrol, stop-go, engine management (goes into limp mode). I have it on lease till 1st March and keep hoping someone will steal it - truly awful, awful car. Not even worth its bargain price.
Edit - forgot the MPG, 30 if lucky (got 50 easilly from my previous qashqai).
sterlingdeal to blackrat62
18 Oct 15 1 #82
My mate's one got stolen and then returned within an hour with a note saying "shame on you!"
bankerscum to blackrat62
18 Oct 15 #144
​motobility?
Dusterfluster
18 Oct 15 #143
Manual
steveblackman
18 Oct 15 #142
Is this car manual or auto
Dusterfluster
18 Oct 15 #141
​I have read them. They sanded down the rust areas and repainted and waxoiled them.
Some have been back multiple times now with rust and many rejected (only through arbitration).
You can't cure rust and on those a complete stage of protection was missed apparently.
Anyway, If you are trying to convince us that a duster is a better car than a modern Jag go for it.
But all that has been mentioned is this a bigger, faster, better equipped, finished car for the same money.
But all down to personal preference I guess.
But if you get people to Google "Rusty Duster" there is a massive thread of unhappy customers.
phead
18 Oct 15 #140
The new vauxhall stuff has the apple carplay/android auto stuff on it, and of course the new engines. Its cheap for a reason.
Dusterfluster
18 Oct 15 #139
​not according to real world mpg.
goodclicks
18 Oct 15 2 #134
My father had one of these. The face lifted model has improvements over his version. It's not a great car at all. Plasticky, very vague steering and wobbly handling - but it's roomy and has enough power, although fuel consumption isn't great. For the money it is a good buy when compared to the Duster. It'd be great for commercial work or for towing, but I think you'd very soon tire of it as an every day car.
soldierboy001 to goodclicks
18 Oct 15 #138
I have a friend who runs a Vauxhall, Citroen, Jaguar garage who when he saw and tried my Lodgy went and tried a Duster and bought one immediately saying it was the best vehicle as value for money he has ever owned, so much so that one year later when the uprated celebration model came out he immediately part exchanged for one of those.
Although he had an Indian duster first there was no rust problems and those that did get rust problems did not just get a waxoil fixd as Dusterfluster suggest. Read the Dacia forums for proof but please disregard the views of some people with American ideas of what manufacturers should compensate you with when things go wrong.
nattynoo90
18 Oct 15 1 #137
Completely agree.... Unless you have a 'dirty diesel' any dpf can cause problems. I think the only reason why the Antaras seems like it has problems is because the fans are big which therefore draw attention due to the noise of it cooling down
snack_attack
18 Oct 15 #136
Hardly a like for like comparison. The Lexus and Aston Martin cars you've quoted there are DVD/CD multimedia players. The Vauxhall Antara does not have a DVD player. My main point still stands, the Antara still has the same CD player/Casio display from cars designed 12+ years ago. You would have expected some progression and redesign by now.
soldierboy001
18 Oct 15 #135
Mrdom said it was a Frontera not me, the Frontera was built on an Izuzu pick up.
joeann1
18 Oct 15 #133
So how come a ford kuga 2.0 4wd does 40mpg around town!!
monkeyhanger75
18 Oct 15 1 #132
Get a 2.2 Diesel pulling a big lump like this car is around town on short journeys and 22mpg is to be expected.
monkeyhanger75
18 Oct 15 1 #131
Cost-free repairs (should you have any) maybe more like it, but if you have a repair that Vauxhall is picking the tab up (as it will be under warranty) for then i'd consider that trouble-free, you'll get a courtesy car. My mam ran a 2 year old Vauxhall Astra 1.4 auto for 23 years and it sailed through nearly every MOT, it was a crap drive though.

One of these or a Duster? I'd have one of these, it will feel a little better inside and have more kit. A "£22k" car being sold for £14k will almost certainly be a better car than a £14k RRP car being sold for about the same (Ambience 110DCi).

Are Renault running gear and electrics going to be less trouble than Vauxhall's own?
carole682
18 Oct 15 1 #112
I'd advice you to never buy one of these! Absolute pieces of junk!
Just today my power steering has gone! I got it new it's a 62 plate. I've had nothing but bother with it and as for fuel consumption it's totally sh**e.
Mine is the 2.2 4x4
joeann1 to carole682
18 Oct 15 2 #130
Totally agree,i get about 22mpg driving in town Avoid at all costs !!
cxv
18 Oct 15 #129
hot, bought 8!

-.-
slewis1972
18 Oct 15 #126
Anyone else doing this or is it just Peter Vardy as none near me?
Dusterfluster to slewis1972
18 Oct 15 #128
​£15500 is the next nearest price point as far as I can see.
Doing a 500m round trip on Tuesday :confused:
indyjukebox
18 Oct 15 1 #127
Whilst I partly agree with your point, I think it is a reasonable interior at this price point. At full RRP, I would agree that I would expect a better interior.

With regards to the CD player, you get one on the Mark Levinson system on a £70k Lexus GSF Link and on the Aston Martin Rapide Link . Any one with a ear for music will know that CDs provide better quality sound than compressed MP3s (unless you pay for uncompressed masters from Linn). So what is your point?
nattynoo90
18 Oct 15 2 #123
The only fault I have with this car is the DPF if I have not done a long journey in a while but still it doesn't cause me a major issue. I have drove various cars and the ride in this I find lovely...not as smooth of a drive or as techy for the money as the mokka which I previously owned and LOVED! however I had a good price for this car at the time, I liked the design, it was spacious, with a much bigger boot and a few gadgets! I find this car reasonabley quiet and ticked most boxes for me! When comparing the lower range models of other brands of cars of the same size this was definatly the best value for money, I would choose the Antara all over again rather than pay an additional 10k and the rest for a badge. Again everyone has different opinions and different tastes but as an Antara owner I can't fault it
Dusterfluster to nattynoo90
18 Oct 15 1 #125
​Every diesels DPFs are a pain, not many have got it nailed down.
As long as regents are allowed to complete they should never be a major issue.
That is why so many people by one of these and then just do 5 mile journey's complain about modern diesels, they just aren't town cars.
nattynoo90
18 Oct 15 1 #124
Surely stereos full stop are out of date! I purely just plug my phone into the hidden ports (hides all the wires so keeps it tidy) and play all my music via my phone. Each to their own opinion but stereos aren't really essential to me
bonzobanana
18 Oct 15 #122
Seems great value for spec and size if you need a towing car on the face of it. I actually think the interior looks ok. Seen a lot worse. Reliability is about the same as a Volkswagen Tiguan although the Volkswagen tends to have a lot more engine problems.Reviews are poor for this and if I was buying a diesel for towing travelling some distance then any fuel savings could be significant and this is a thirsty car. I just can't think of a type of driver this would be ideal for, someone who doesn't drive much but when they do needs to tow for a reasonable distance?
pablobanez
18 Oct 15 3 #98
car tax is £345, wow! not for me!
Dusterfluster to pablobanez
18 Oct 15 #101
​£205
Dusterfluster to pablobanez
18 Oct 15 #121
​£205 Tax
genmaxiu
18 Oct 15 1 #120
I would rather say 5 months:smiley: I have had Renault Scenic (2004) for a year...what a waste of my money and time:) Coils, electrics, exhaust, bulbs, all were breaking on a daily basis:) Wasted £300 on repairs and sold...This experience cured me from having 2nd (shopping) car:)
Dusterfluster
18 Oct 15 #119
​My 2 year old cross country v40 has a CD player and nearly every price of kit imaginable.

This also has USB, like nearly all modern cars.
Most cars still ship with a CD player?
androoski
18 Oct 15 2 #118
As usual, a car deal on HUKD and you get pages of rubbish pub talk about cars.

Don't read the comments, look at the deal and check the car out for yourself.
brookysm
18 Oct 15 #117
No it wasn't! The Trooper/Big Horn was a much bigger car than the Frontera.
Venezia
18 Oct 15 5 #38
My neighbour who is on disability for back problems has one of these, he manages to drive it quite often inbetween, sweeping the yard, cutting the bushes, do car mechanics, carrying the shopping in whilst holding a toddler, not sure what kind of back problem it is?
effingandjeffing to Venezia
18 Oct 15 1 #116
sounds like one of those back to work problems
Dusterfluster
18 Oct 15 #115
​waxoil is a delay. not a fix.
90bhp may be OK for you, but i want more.
The duster is not a bad car, but in my honest opinion this is a lot better all round soft roader for the price.
If it was value against MRSP Duster would win but at the same cost it is no contest (If you are happy with the running costs)
soldierboy001
18 Oct 15 #114
The rust issues were to be found in a few Indian built Dusters and were corrected by Dacia, not as quick as some owners would have liked but they did put their hands up. After this they moved Duster RHD production to Rumania and no problems since. As for power I had a 1.5 dci euro5 at 90 bhp and never felt underpowered even 5 bup up steep slopes and I found it comfortable even on journeys from England to Spanish Costa Blanca.
soldierboy001
18 Oct 15 #113
It was a Trooper those other names are what it was sold as in other markets, it was even sold as a Honda.
monkeyhanger75
18 Oct 15 1 #63
£14k doesn't buy you a lot of new car these days, especially not at this size. Excellent value for money if you want something of this size, but I personally wouldn't have one. I'll give it some heat - it is a good deal for the car on offer and likely to be worth £8k at 3 years old - £2k PA (£167 a month) for trouble-free driving based on it losing £6k.
Fogg1969 to monkeyhanger75
18 Oct 15 1 #75
If it were my money I'd be buying a second hand Rav4 or Xtrail, or something, I think that'd be more affordable in the long run and nicer to drive, but if it has to be a new car I have to accept that this looks like decent value.
soldierboy001 to monkeyhanger75
18 Oct 15 #111
You ruined your post by saying trouble free motoring.
soldierboy001
18 Oct 15 #110
Vauxhall have never made a 4X4, the Cavalier was Opel and this and the Frontiera were other manufacturers vehicles face lifted and given Vauxhall engines and transmission. The only 4X4 I think Vauxhall ever made were their trucks that were mostly for the military.
indyjukebox
18 Oct 15 3 #109
Seems very happy to me. In fact she wasnt happy with the cashcow, 3 series estate or even a Q3. But then the dog doesnt have the petty prejudices/misconceptions/brand loyalty that human beings seem to have.
snack_attack
18 Oct 15 1 #108
I think the point is that in 2016 you'd expect Vauxhall to have moved on from their 2005 Astra/Vectra/Corsa interiors. Looks like this brand new car still has a CD player...wtf?! It still has the 1990s Casio calculator display!!
masterbruce
18 Oct 15 #107
No, he's right
indyjukebox
18 Oct 15 #92
Such an odd place. It is a great price for "this" car. So hot by my account. Its not the place to do a car review or slam Vauxhalls or praise Renault/Dacia's etc.

Some very odd people on this forum. Saying this lacks space for instance. Really? Have been in one? Are you getting it confused with the Mokka? It is huge in the back. My secretary has one of these. But she needs something with a big and tall boot as she has a St Bernard and this was the only one that it comfortably fit.
masterbruce to indyjukebox
18 Oct 15 1 #106
I bet the dog hates it
Mrdom
17 Oct 15 2 #19
i will never understand buying a 2wd version of a car like this
Dusterfluster to Mrdom
17 Oct 15 1 #22
Fuel economy, most never pull anything or go off road. Apparently real world the difference between AWD and FWD is around 7-8mpg on this.
RuudBullit to Mrdom
18 Oct 15 3 #68
I've got a 2wd kia sportage. I like the car,and it fits all of my needs but I don't do any form of off road driving or towing, so don't need 4wd. Why would I pay more for the vehicle initially only to have a poorer mpg, increased maintenance costs, and pay more for my insurance?
What's not to understand?
soldierboy001 to Mrdom
18 Oct 15 #105
Let me educate you, lower price, lower running costs, higher seating position and no requirement for going off road and I can drive in 99% of weather conditions. Can't understand people getting a 4X4 for school and Tesco runs and I read that the biggest proportion of Qashqai's are 2 wheel drives, so are you alone in your thoughts.
Dusterfluster
18 Oct 15 #104
​That should read driven a Duster not owned.
Dusterfluster
18 Oct 15 #103
​I have and pre facelift they have serious rust issues.
The duster is very old school, which has its charm but not anywhere near ad comfortable or powerful as this to be honest.
Dusterfluster
18 Oct 15 #102
​I ha e to go up grass verges on occasions ( country roads) so need clearance but not 4x4 traction.
soldierboy001
18 Oct 15 #100
Then you have never owned a Dacia Duster like I have great car and the only visit to a garage for annual service and reasonable service charges. Yes getting 35% off list price may seem a good deal, but it's even older engineering than Dacia, probably stopped building them now Chevrolet is pulling out of UK.
joeann1
18 Oct 15 1 #99
I currently drive one of these getting rid of soon thank god, 22mpg wtf ,stay well clear ,looks like an eighties car interior,and to fuel it u need a following petrol tanker,and DPF light always on lol,get something with better fuel economy,and that dosent look like it was made in 1980!!!
RuudBullit
18 Oct 15 #97
why?
Mrdom
18 Oct 15 #96
Ive had a trooper and a monterey so im pretty familiar, ive never had a frontera and obviously the body is different but i always thought the chassis & running gear was basically the same and always looked so from cursory observations but im no expert, i do seem to remember the frontera 2.8 diesel and the isuzu 3.1 are basically the same other than direct injection on the 2.8, i know the petrols were different (though i think some versions may have used the same v6's, at least in other countries as the MU).
superfamiking
18 Oct 15 #95
I agree on Renault. I have a clio sport tourer estate, a 63 plate and the electrics are a disaster, drivers window constantly jams, rear door pops open while driving, seatbelt warning beeps even when seatbelt is on, not to mention it only gets 28mpg (it is an automatic though) I wont go renault again in the future
qz177c
17 Oct 15 35 #8
Surely they should of changed the design of the stereo by now. Reminds me of being in a vectra. A roller coaster was more comfortable.

On a serious note, looks really tacky.

http://i58.tinypic.com/2yzdb2a.jpg
Dusterfluster to qz177c
17 Oct 15 2 #11
Better than the only other option in the price bracket surely?
Duster
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rogeshpat to qz177c
18 Oct 15 #40
When I bought my 2002 vectra, the very same stereo was installed. So effectively that stereo is coming up to being 14 Years old.

So I guess that would be where the cheat emission device is hidden if there was any. :stuck_out_tongue:
InAFalsetto to qz177c
18 Oct 15 #62
Agreed.

I own a Astra Mk5 06 plate and you would of thought a 65 plate car would look totally different, but it looks the same ???
fishmaster to qz177c
18 Oct 15 #77
It's awful but so is the new Toyota Avensis dash >

http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/carbycar/toyota/avensis-2015/

For a 2015 car that dash looks hideous.
hcc27 to qz177c
18 Oct 15 #89
Should HAVE, not 'should of'!
tragictramp to qz177c
18 Oct 15 #90
yep the dash is awful its in my royal mail combo van as well, urghh
indyjukebox to qz177c
18 Oct 15 1 #94
Looks ok to me, especially if you choose a picture that represents the current variant. How much more tacky is it than cheap fake crystals, cheap jogging pants and some unknown um bongo drinks???

If you have actually been in one of these, the dash is actually a quite nice soft touch variant as opposed to the crap you would find in an equivalently priced duster!!

http://www.vauxhall.co.uk/content/dam/Vauxhall/Europe/united_kingdom/nscwebsite/uk/Home/Vehicles/Cars/New%20Antara/lightboxes/768x432/768x432_Interior_Antara_Diamond.jpg
brookysm
18 Oct 15 #93
It wasn't a Trooper it was based on a Venta/Amigo/Rodeo but with poor Vauxhall running gear. The Monterey was literally a Trooper with Vauxhall badges on the front, back and steering wheel instead of Isuzu.
kas786
18 Oct 15 #91
Any good deals for a 7 seater, I know slightly off topic but saw this and was hoping it was a 7 seater
HaraldBB
18 Oct 15 #88
Sure, but it's wrong photo - Nissan Puke look is different
siadwel
18 Oct 15 #87
Where does it say Renault ?
brookysm
18 Oct 15 4 #81
Horrible car, the only decent 4x4 Vauxhall have ever sold was the Monterey and that was just a rebadged Isuzu Trooper.
Mrdom to brookysm
18 Oct 15 #86
The Frontera was pretty good, though again it was mostly an isuzu trooper.
Mrdom
18 Oct 15 #85
I realise that but if you wanted fuel economy and dont ever tow or go off road you would be better off buying a different car entirely surely.
Axlebart
18 Oct 15 1 #84
Vauxhall snooze zzzzz. All the style of a pair of beige slacks. 40mpg for a diesel on the motorway is woeful.
tommolloy23
18 Oct 15 #71
I spoke to a dealer about one of these a couple of months back and she said they're being discontinued as the out lab MPG is 13MPG at best
Melbury to tommolloy23
18 Oct 15 2 #73
OMG, that's terrible!

Does anyone actually buy Vauxhall cars?
Dusterfluster to tommolloy23
18 Oct 15 1 #83
​Your village wants you back.
Anthonis
18 Oct 15 #80
Yeah dash is outdated especially stereo :confused:.
2.2l engine on this is like having 1l on estate astra.... Decent SUV should always have 3l engines.... But because of price mark and tax insurance plus all this pollution thing... Manufacturers know that only certain people will be able to afford it, so thats why you get weak spec so your tax and insurance would be affordable...
Bean010
18 Oct 15 4 #79
Loving reading the comments criticising this car from folk that have never driven 1, Watch out people, it carries a Vauxhall Badge, it's going to be cr%p! I have purchased 1 of these cars myself but I have the top end SE version, my personal opinion of the car is this (your choice if you want to ignore it or not):
I find the car to be very comfortable to drive on the motorway, it holds it own and cruises very efficiently. Driving around town you can feel the bumps more as the suspension is firmer than many others I test drove (I felt like the suspension was far too soft in many others) On the motorway I can get up to 42 MPG and around town I am averaging around 29MPG (My car is a Diesel Manual) The car is very roomy and boot space very ample, The interior again IMO does not feel outdated, it does everything it is supposed to do and a good logical layout for ease of use without having to take your eye of the road. I have found 2 'niggles' which I have learnt to deal with and that is, 1. It does have a poor turning circle and 2. The Diesel Particulate Filter (DPF) light does come on every 500 miles, this just means you take the car down the Duel carriage way to allow the car to burn it off.
I have owned my car for 2 years now and (touch wood) never had an issue with anything going wrong on it. When I was doing my shopping around on which SUV I was going to purchase my decision came down to cost in the end. the OTR price against many others, the servicing cost against many others and the typical cost to replace items should anything go wrong far out weighed any issue with driving a car with a Vauxhall badge on it. I like to change my car every 3-4 years and looking at these cars of that age I was happy to tolerate the average depreciation on it. I do not tow a caravan but when reading comments on forums, many consider this vehicle to be an excellent vehicle to tow with. More than happy to give any additional information to anyone considering purchasing one of these as I for 1 am more than happy to drive one and hold my head up high doing so . . . . . :-)
GeoDogger
18 Oct 15 #78
I have a Mondeo ST TDCI 2.2, which makes 50mpg, and its over 10 years old with 187,000miles.

Surely by now, they would have more economical engines..
plane_boy2000
18 Oct 15 #76
5 Years is optimistic- mates Megane started throwing electrical wobbles from a few weeks old, and the older it got the worse the issues
Besford
18 Oct 15 #74
Yep: the kind of people who, despite everything in this thread, still claim it's a good deal.
RuudBullit
18 Oct 15 1 #72
you've been lucky. my wifes grand scenic has had a new dashboard, a new wiring loom on the electric windows, the vvti pulley replaced twice, plus a myriad of smaller issues.

I'd rather crawl to work over broken glass on my hands and knees than buy another Renault!!!
yellowplum
18 Oct 15 #70
Discontinued car, due to be replaced if they ever do. Horrid car, had to test drive - worse than the Renault I had to endure.

Save your money go for something more reliable and better quality. It's actually worse than a KIA.
Zetec Andy
17 Oct 15 1 #31
ugliest car I have ever seen.
Dusterfluster to Zetec Andy
18 Oct 15 1 #39
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a3/Nissan_Cube_Z11_003.JPG

Nissan surely have that sorted? :smiley:
RuudBullit to Zetec Andy
18 Oct 15 #69

you've been here 8 years. you should surely know by now that the ugliest car ever is........

http://dailynewsdig.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/Fiat-Multipla.jpg
muffboy
18 Oct 15 2 #67
I purchased Chevrolet's sister model to this back in January 2014, the Captiva. At the time they were offering £9,000 off list. It was the LT model ( couldn't get the top spec LTZ as none left ). It was £28,500 and I got it brand new for £17,000.
Sold it 14 months later privately and still lost money on it even though I got £11,500 discount. Depreciation equally horrendous on the Antara. It was a big car for the cash and reasonable spec. fuel economy was pathetic, 4WD 2.2 facelift diesel model as well!
davidbrent
18 Oct 15 22 #66
To paraphrase Alan Partridge..

Alan Partridge': "Lynn, I am not driving a Vauxhall Antara"

Lynn: "But its got heated front seats and 17 inch alloys!"

Alan: " I am not driving a Vauxhall Antara!"

Lynn: "..But..it's got a 2.2 litre engine and full size SUV for super mini pricing, Alan!! And..."

Alan: "Lynn, there's no point finishing the sentence as I'll just talk over you!!"

Lynn:

Alan: "Go on, try and finish the sentence and see what I do."

Lynn: "Got Bluetooth connectiv..."

Alan: "I am not driving a Vauxhall Antara!!!"
monkeyhanger75
18 Oct 15 2 #65
You are spot on. 4WD for something sporty to give you traction, go go buy a Land Rover if you fancy off-roading for fun at the weekends. Difference between most Audi A3/A4 models in 2WD or Quattro variants is generally 7mpg, a similar story with the Golf GTI vs Golf R. The penalty is a bit higher for a true fixed 50:50 4WD rather than a variable Haldex type.
Welshman Adam
18 Oct 15 5 #42
A colleague of mine has one of these, hates it. His wife had an accident in it the other day (she's fine) and he's hoping it gets written off.

MPG is his biggest grumble, he has the 2.2 diesel (not sure if it's 161 bhp or 181 bhp) and struggles to get 25 mpg.
Dando83 to Welshman Adam
18 Oct 15 1 #54
​2012 Qashqai averaging 41. Mostly in city driving.
monkeyhanger75 to Welshman Adam
18 Oct 15 2 #64
Unsurprising - that engine is moving a lot of weight around, stick the same engine in an Astra and it'd likely do 45mpg all day at a minimum for short journeys. Short journeys kill diesel mpg, they're not at their best until the oil is warm (figure 8 miles in the Summer and 10 miles in the Winter for that to happen). If the car is doing significantly less than 10 miles per journey, 25 mpg may be all you can expect. Perhaps not the car's fault depending on whether it is just pootling to the shops and the school run or the missus lives 5 miles from her place of work. I wouldn't expect to get within 20% of the combined figure on a new diesel unless I was doing at least 20 miles each way on my commute and sticking religiously to the speed limits.
adam4007
18 Oct 15 #61
And you think the reliability and build quality will be much better lol
Dusterfluster
18 Oct 15 1 #60
​I had a 2009 Laguna a few years ago and the electrics were poor and trim bits kept falling off.
I sold it in less than a year.
Never doing French or Italian again. (Unless it is a Ferrari, maseratti etc.) :smiley:
adam4007
18 Oct 15 2 #59
Strange thing to say. My wife's scenic is on a 07 plate and we have had it from new with no problems whatsoever and it's just hit 100k plus 5 stars from NCAP so should be stronger than Pepsi can.
groenleader
18 Oct 15 #58
Only ever had one of these on the fleet, I removed it from the list not long after it arrived! It was outright purchase from Vauxhall fleet sales and thankfully they took it back 16 months later.
jayd95
18 Oct 15 #55
for £3000 more get a renault kadjar upto 80mpg no tax and looks 10x better inside and out
Nesima to jayd95
18 Oct 15 9 #57
It's a Renault, so utter rubbish, all the quality of Pepsi can and a nightmare to work on.
Electrics are good for probably 5 years then they become a nightmare.
Dando83
18 Oct 15 1 #53
​We bought a Qashqai. Test drove the Kuga. Kuga modestly larger than Qashqai
adaily
18 Oct 15 #51
poor build and handling plus tax is mega expensive and why lease a car anyway, it's dead money!
Dusterfluster to adaily
18 Oct 15 #52
​It's to purchase, not a lease?
Dusterfluster
18 Oct 15 #50
On Honest John. The 2.2 FWD does not seem to bad based on owner readings 40mpg.
The 4x4 seems thirsty though.
http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/realmpg/vauxhall/antara-2007/22-cdti
KFC1869
18 Oct 15 #49
Wife had the diesel, 25 mpg if you're lucky. It was in the garage that often, always with little things never anything major, that we got invited to their Christmas party. For the size of the car it's not the most spacious, plus the boot is quite small as well.
leewills8
18 Oct 15 1 #48
The Antara is Vauxhall's latest version of the dreaded Frontera! Avoid!
Regprentice
18 Oct 15 5 #43
was in a colleagues one of these recently and its like a corsa on steroids....but not in a good way. feels very small inside...definately not comparable with some of the larger vehicles mentioned above.

If this is really the kind of vehicle you need then i at this price i firmly believe a 3 yo sorento offers better value, quality and off road ability than this...and even at 3 years old a longer warranty than the vauxhall.

if you absolutely have to have some new shiny on your driveway for your neighbours to see, then the recent lease deals on the ford ecosport would allow you to have an equally poor car that you can actually give back after a couple of years..and it probably beats the depreciation curve on this car.
Dusterfluster to Regprentice
18 Oct 15 #47
​I think you are confusing it with the Mokka.
loads of room inside.
Yes a 3 year old Sorrento may be a better car overall bit it will still be more expensive even with around 60,000 miles of wear.
jamgin
18 Oct 15 1 #46
Buy diesel and poison people.
Flowette
18 Oct 15 4 #45
We test drove a second hand Altara a few weeks back. £11k, 3 years old, 25k on the clock. Seemed too good to be true.

It was. Horrible car. Felt cheap and nasty. Settled on a slightly older Honda CRV which has been wonderful.
WBRacing
18 Oct 15 #44
And that is because Vauxhall seem to be clueless when it comes to putting together a decent/appropriate 4x4 system. Anyone remember the fun of owning a Cavalier 4x4?

I agree with Mrdom on this, a car like this has all the downsides of being big and bulky (with matching aerodynamic's) and yet none of the benefits of a 4x4, apart from the slightly elevated driving position. Without that, you might as well look at a family hatchback. It's like people who buy a Honda Goldwing. All of the downsides, none of the up.
ovverbruv
18 Oct 15 1 #41
looks like a good deal for a big car, heat added
Dusterfluster
17 Oct 15 #37
And the same size as this? and around £20K more
It is also available as a 5 seater? (HSE)
http://www.farnelllandrover.com/new-car/210942/land-rover-discovery-sport-2-0-td4-hse-5dr-5-seat-diesel-station-wagon/
Dusterfluster
17 Oct 15 #36
It's fairly heavy car but plenty of pull. Solid feeling and firm (ish) ride. Plenty quick enough and a lot higher than Qashqai, IX35, etc.
Loads of room, especially in the back.

More 4X4 like than car like if you know what i mean.It does not feel like a current crop soft roader which are basically estate cars.
Besford
17 Oct 15 #35
Discovery Sport is a 7 seater.
Tomofife
17 Oct 15 #30
It's a small or compact suv. Discos, pathfinders, land cruisers etc are full size.

Either way they are sooo out of date.
BadBoyRR to Tomofife
17 Oct 15 1 #33
​mokka is the small compact version, this is bigger similar to qashqai
Dusterfluster to Tomofife
17 Oct 15 #34
It is only around 18CM shorter than Landcruiser and a Disco.
BadBoyRR
17 Oct 15 #32
​how did u find it?
BadBoyRR
17 Oct 15 #28
is it a pre reg and how was it when u went to see it?
Dusterfluster to BadBoyRR
17 Oct 15 1 #29
Hi, It is pre reg but have been assured it has 10 miles on the clock and has not a mark on it, registered around 3 weeks ago.
Not been to see it, drove one locally as their garages are miles away from me.
BadBoyRR
17 Oct 15 #26
anyone gone for this?
Dusterfluster to BadBoyRR
17 Oct 15 #27
I did earlier today, but did not want to post until confirmed. I pick it up on Tuesday.
westonborn
17 Oct 15 #23
Is this 2 wheel drive or part time 4x4
Dusterfluster to westonborn
17 Oct 15 1 #25
Front wheel drive only.
Poolius
17 Oct 15 1 #21
Very good deal. The Arnold Clark deal is also decent as I have an old banger I can use for the scrappage discount.

Interesting question, I don't suppose you can get the 2k scrappage discount on the Peter Vardy deal?? If so I'll be ordering it even though my current lease has 3 months to run!
Dusterfluster to Poolius
17 Oct 15 #24
Hi, not as far as I know as they are pre-reg (I think it is only on first owner for scrappage) but worth an ask.
We chopped in the wifes car and it was not worth much more than scrappage but got a fair PX (virtually the same as certain car buying websites. :smiley:)
Dusterfluster
17 Oct 15 #20
Fair enough, but it still far more basic, has no leather worse safety features, less kit and has a far smaller engine.( But that may be better for some buyers)
skidude
17 Oct 15 1 #18
Apparently, Peter Vardy are selling a Vauxhall Anara, not an Antara (check their website!) maybe this is a Chinese copy?
Dobster
17 Oct 15 1 #17
At least show the equivalent models. For that money you could get touch screen Media Nav in the Duster.
Dusterfluster
17 Oct 15 #16
It tricked me on Friday, should be done for dodgy advertising if you ask me. :smiley:
zildjian
17 Oct 15 1 #15
Good point!
adsthompson
17 Oct 15 1 #14
Awful car
Dusterfluster
17 Oct 15 #13
They are selling at £15,500 they are only £13,495 if you scrap your old car for £2K
Click on it
£2000 Vauxhall Scrappage Allowance Applied
I rang them as they are closer to me. But they cant touch this deal, the price or the finance.
zildjian
17 Oct 15 2 #12
hooray henry
17 Oct 15 #10
Thats a lot of crappy metal for the money.
Tomofife
17 Oct 15 #4
Not exactly "Full Size" is it.....
Dusterfluster to Tomofife
17 Oct 15 1 #6
Well it is in the same size bracket as Ford Kuga, Landrover Discovery Sport, Kia Sorrento, Hynudai Santa Fe.
I would class them as full size and things like Qashqai, Duster, Mokka, Capture etc. as compacts.
Only the proper Discos, Range rovers and Pathfinders are significantly larger.
Thomablue
17 Oct 15 9 #3
This will be worth 21p in 3 years time.
Dusterfluster to Thomablue
17 Oct 15 4 #5
For a 35K miles or under 12 plate cheapest on autotrader is £10k, even if trade in was only £8K, you are only staring at £6k depreciation in 3 years.
Don't think may new cars can in the class can beat that to be honest? but always happy for people to prove me long.
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Xbox One Elite controller PLUS either Middle-earth: Shadow of War or Forza Motorsport 7
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Lego Friends Calender
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Double LEGO VIP Points
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Graco Fast Action Fold Travel System in Bowtie Bear @ Tesco Direct (more in OP)
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£98 £200 Tesco Direct10 Oct 17
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Gears Of War 4 Steelbook Edition (Xbox One) (Open Box)
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£12.99 Studentcomputers.co.uk10 Oct 17
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The Body Shop Sale Now On Plus 50% Code when you spend
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The Body Shop Sale Now On Plus 50% Code when you spend

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