is anyone getting the full service done prior to giving it back?

Was looking at this car, different specs and more expensive but I am 2 years older!

Hi, Anyone getting anywhere with finding a replacement deal similar to this?
Damn it, loved driving this car and don't want to give it back

Would love for this to be a deal again! Anyone had any luck getting close? Negotiating with Vertu ?

Only the anti perforation check is neccessary and cost £24

Hello, who was this with and servicing did you have carried out?

Thanks.

I paid £150 for the full service.

Oh cool. Ill check tomorrow

I think it says in the service book the check is optional. I opt not to do it. Simples!

Same here. There is a check up which needs paying for though. Not a full service though. £60 roughly. Its in their interest to have it serviced. Hence the call

Anyone who got the original deal being contacted by the garage that supplied the car (had an email and text so far) saying its now due its annual service?

As far as I was concerned, and it says so on a sticker of my windscreen, the service wasn't due til 20k/2 years and therefore after the lease is up.

If its on lease. It has to be done at hyundai so the prices are pretty standard

Hopefully people may see this. Where is cheap servicing for the Hyundai i30. Mines on 19499 miles on 20k a year and needs its annual check.

Ours now scheduled for delivery next Tuesday. Was actually hoping for a little more notice, got a car to sell quick now.

Inside my windscreen there is a sticker with next service date of 29/10/16 or 10k

Looked into the service book. No service needed for first 20k or 2 years. Only health check is needed and that might be free I hope :smile: if not I'm not sure about the cost.

No, haven't paid anything yet, will go out via DD on 21st. Plus the delivery guy filled up 20 litre and did 80miles for delivery. Very straightforward procedure. Make sure you examine the car all over by yourself as well in good light.

Hi, how many Hyundai services are people expecting to have to pay for? Just so I know what is expected. Thanks

found this online - quote//
I have missed one of my services. What happens now?

Hyundai allow 600 miles or one month either side of the expected service date. If the service is not carried out within this time then the vehicle's warranty may be affected.

How did you pay the injustice deposit? Ours is being delivered tomorrow, do we pay the £500ish before it leaves the showroom?

We were told end of nov by virtu but hyundai arranged for today!

Thank you sir, parking sensor -aux usb glasses holder all so cool. Next couple of hours = going through the user manual now :smile:

That's right virtu are just middlemen, hyundai uk is owner as per documents we received.

Enjoy. :smile:

Mine got delivered today - absolutely cool! Thanks so much OP!

Good to see someone has actually taken delivery! :grin:

I'm still waiting on a delivery date / finance papers. Off on holiday on Friday too, so could be the end of November for me unfortunately.

Mine came yesterday! I'm well chuffed with it. Drives so smooth and quiet. No regrets :smiley_cat:

Anyone receiving theirs yet or waiting on it coming today? I should be getting mine tomorrow, time to be confirmed today.

Confirmed delivery date 28th October. Been giving a registration and pepper grey.

Spoke to Vertu on Wednesday, he said mine would be coming into Tilbury docks on the 22nd October and he would call me this week with a Vehicle reg and chassis number. Still on for end of the month then I assume.

Yeah same as me, I'm going on holiday at the end of the month so I'm hopeful for a bit of info beforehand!

No. Was told end of October. The sooner the better!

So has anyone managed to get a confirmed date yet?

Yep still available vertuleasecars.co.uk/new…707 also don't know why a few posts were removed from the last page?

The deal is still on I have ordered my car which includes metallic paint which is a bonus. whatcar.com/car…956

Looks like they are doing another great offer this time on the automatic. Cheapest lease deal on an auto ive seen for a while!

Oh well, I have no problem handing it back.

Interestingly, i've found this review of the new i30 on YouTube:-
youtube.com/wat…=10

According to this review, alloy wheels come as standard on all models SE & above.

Only shows polar white as a colour option at that price

Usually dealer only auctions.

they don't offer you the chance to buy, they just punt the whole batch off to the auctions and the car dealerships snap them all up and sell them on their forecourts at a mark-up.

Would it matter anyway because if you really like the car you could buy the same model of car at market value and still benefit from 3 years of warranty as its transferable.

The final credit agreement hasn't come through yet, only the order form. But when it does, i'm sure it'll show who owns it. But let's say you're right - that just means that Hyundai have the same problem then in two years time.

I'm certainly not banking on being offered it - but it wouldn't surprise me if they did.

You might find out when you get the paperwork that they actually belong to Hyundai and they are just middlemen working on a commission. The actual owner you need to know for the insurance.

I suspect just before handing it back at the end of the 2 year term; the leasing company will offer you the chance to buy it off them [for Parker's book value of course] or simply hand it back to them and walk away.

If they are just going to sell them on for their market value when you hand it back; it would make sense that they'll offer it you first. Who's knows, they may offer you a further incentive to take it off their hands... like a discount....

Otherwise in October 2017, they're going to have 100's - maybe 1000's of two year old i30's to store and sell; a huge challenge and likely impossible for them to do - seeing as though they're just an office on an industrial estate. But hey if they don't, no problem, i'll just get my next brand new car. :sunglasses:

I did apply online. Just had the call - end of October delivery date; now just waiting to see which colour they're giving me. They'll let me know asap.

@itchikoo - I may decide to keep the car in 2 years time. But it'll be the leasing company which takes the hit for the depreciation, not me. I'll get a £18.5k car from new for eventually £12k.

If you are the type of person who would trade a new car in after only 2 years and 20k miles, then this analysis is sound. However, I suspect that most car 'buyers' will keep the vehicle for much longer. It is a given that depreciation is highest at the start of car ownership and tapers off. So then you need to look at from the perspective that with a lease deal you are spending 4k, at the end of which you have absolutely nothing. If you buy the car and don't sell it prematurely you are not losing 7.5k. A loss is realised only at point of sale. If you take finance to buy over 3 or 4 years, your payments stop altogether at the end, and you still have an asset with some residual value. An asset that may well service your requirements for another x number of years at no monthly cost. My current car is now 7 years old for example and is in great nick, so I expect a whole load more years out of it.
So to me the decision comes down purely to affordability. Leasing is cheaper that finance in the short-term, but not in the long-term. Weighing up a> the desire to have a new car every 2 years, b> the desire for this particular model, c> the monthly finance payment versus monthly lease payment. That is if you really want this new car and cant afford the loan repayments, but can afford the lease repayments, then thats probably all you need to consider.

Did you just apply straight online?

Noodle not available.

I applied on Tuesday afternoon, had an email Wednesday morning saying my finance was accepted & the paperwork was attached to sign and email back (along with a copy of my driving licence & first/second choice of colour). They have received it back but i've not been given a delivery date yet; just waiting for that. I am presuming they are drowning in applications so i'm quite relaxed about it.

It might be wise for anyone thinking of applying to check their credit status on Experian first to avoid disappointment (using the free 30 day trial). I know two people at work who recently would have bet their houses on having A1 credit - turned out not so. Both, through no fault of their own (the banks), had adverse info on their credit file which they knew absolutely nothing about. They both wish they'd checked their credit file beforehand.

Checking first will avoid a search being recorded on your credit file, dropping your credit score further and making a successful application even less likely.

A basic free credit check is available here : noddle.co.uk/

I didn't think keeping the car was an option at the end of the term.

Is it me or are hyundai making nicer cars year after year?Never driven one but like the gti.Never hear any bad things about them neither.

I suppose they are if you are used to driving Hyundai's, I think your statement of "one of the best cars driving around" is the silly statement though to be fair.......

According to a survey Hyundai score ok, better than most manufacturer's dealerships.

autoexpress.co.uk/car…014

So they are 13th out of 32.

Yeah, I've just checked the cars on Autotrader and they indeed are just 15" wheels. Bizarre they've not carried them over into the "Blue Drive" SE as the parking sensors and cruise control are included.

Still ,they look great, especially in black .

Well I submitted an application on Tuesday and have yet to hear back. Rang them today and was told there was delays due to the demand, as we know. So I'm fearing the worst now.

When did you apply originally? And anyone who has got one on order, how long was the process for you?

Applied for this and got knocked back on the finance. Gutted... My credit report is excellent, they said it was due to the amount of credit I'm allowed. Anyone else have any issues with this??

They have a 9.1/10 score on trustpilot.
uk.trustpilot.com/rev….uk

Hi folks, I'm going to buy this car, and the company selling it told me they have a blizzard of enquiries !

They have a website vertuleasecars.co.uk that you may have more success with than phoning.

Summary - the sellers are busy, try this direct link -

vertuleasecars.co.uk/new…707

Turnbull was a fascinating guy, didn't he go to Iran for a couple of years to design cars there?

Bit of a climb up from the George Turnbull, ex head of British Leyland, days and turning a Ford Cortina and Mitsubishi running gear into the worlds 4th largest motor manufacturer.

I worked for a company who had a lot of Hyundai i30's on fleet, granted it was the estate version and in diesel 1.6 guise for most of them, but to drive they are pretty good and like pointed out considering the cost of them to lease and what you actually get, they are pretty good value. For anyone interested the company I worked for bought them in bulk, delivered direct from Hyundai for 9.5k each.

Hyundai-Kia offerings have improved massively over the years due to the influence of Peter Shrayer, their current head of design who amongst other things designed the Audi TT during his time with the group. Shrayer turned the Korean manufacturers' cars into truly global designs with design accents shared by the top German marques. Shrayer will shortly be replaced by the ex-head of design at Bentley, Luc Donckerwolke.

Donckerwolke famously called out Lincoln's Continental concept car over it's similarity to the Bentley Flying Spur, going so far as to post on the Facebook page of Lincoln's design head David Woodhouse 'Do you want us to send the product tooling?”. Donckerwolke was chief designer at Lamborghini when the Gallardo was released, and apparently was also the creator of the Murcielago concept - we certainly can expect some more good looking cars rolling off the Hyandia-Kia stable over the coming years.

Well, Mine is ordered :smile: it might take until last week in October though, but i kind of take comfort in that, as it confirms its the new model!

These are great cars, my mum had one of the previous gen and it was good, these are improved versions, and @ <4k for 2 years?! amazing price.

Ignore all the idiots who have probably never driven a recent hyundai, they have come on massively in the recent years.

if you have doubts i imagine it would be easy to test drive one at your local dealer, then come back and get the lease cheaper here!!

and to be fair i found virtu lease very good too, they always keep me updated by emails and calls, so far at least, they seem rather good :smile:

It was Tombee above who said that it comes with alloys - I was just sayin' if it did; bonus.

The 16" wheels are only on the automatic

They're 15 inch on the Blue Drive models.

It's definitely the SE model - brand new, new shape straight from the factory - they told me yesterday. That's why delivery is 4-8 weeks as they are made to order. You have to give them your 2 choices of colour at the time of ordering. They will always try and give you your first choice. If the wheels are the 16" alloys; bonus.

Clearly you haven't been to a Jaguar/Land Rover dealership in a while as many of them are shared. Since Tata bought JLR almost all new dealerships are shared. All mechanics are trained on both brands and most sales people and back office folk cover both brands.

Mine is being delivered end of October. So a little wait. Looking forward to it!:D

They share (albeit on opposite sides of the road) dealerships in Taunton

To add to this, I've been doing a bit of searching around and it seems the i30 has received a facelift this year. I wonder if this deal will be old stock?
whatcar.com/car…956

The photo on CH&L looks to be the older style model but the info reads "Production Status: Current Model".

Are you guys ordering the cheaper S model, as the SE does come with alloys according to this.

There are five trim levels on the i30, all bringing a healthy amount of kit. Entry level S trim gets keyless entry, a USB socket, Bluetooth with steering wheel controls, and air-conditioning as standard. Our favourite trim, SE, adds 16-inch alloy wheels, cruise control, driver's electric lumbar support, rear parking sensors, and a leather-trimmed steering wheel and gearknob.

Yeah shame it doesn't come with 16" wheels. I too have just signed the paperwork and waiting for a delivery date. I've gone for either phantom black or ara blue :stuck_out_tongue:

Good deal, not bad towing capacity either at 1500kgs. Can you fit tow bars to lease cars????

I'm beginning to see the futility in arguing with you.

I drove the 1.6 diesel 64 plate a few hundred miles and it was horrible on the a roads it felt unstable at speed round corners.horrific under steer, and it was about 55 mpg on the automatic gearbox which was horrible.it struggled to get upto motorway speed constantly hit a hill and it just dropped a gear and made a load of noise.not a nice car.

Mine ordered to. Waiting for a delivery date!

Does drive nice, it's a shame it doesn't come with them wheels. Just the standard 15" wheels.

mines ordered now, just waiting to find out when it will arrive

I drove one at the weekend. Fantastic car. Lots of room, reasonably quick and I think looks quite good. Have been accepted for credit and taking it to next stage now. Just like esclad said. No more MOTS, servicing or worry of breakdowns. I aint buying a car ever again!

They told me they were flying out the door hence why September has now sold out.
No, I have never leased before. No particular reason. But the more I think about it, a lease car is best suited to me... I like to change my car for something different every couple of years, HP drags on. Bonus is I never have to worry about repairs, mots again.

Interior looks cool too (NAV is additional)


Does anyone else think they look like an Astra?

Submitted an application just now. How long can I expect to wait for a confirmation?

I'm ok waiting a month, gives me time to sell my current car and find the best insurance deal.

Car has positive reviews on CarBuyer- carbuyer.co.uk/rev…iew

Where else can you get a £18,495 car for £150 a month?..... Think about it- road tax is £0, full breakdown cover is included, full 5 year warranty, delivery mileage on a 65 plate & it does 78 mpg urban - a full tank gives 914 miles, amazing.

So I've ordered one blind. Now what colour do I want? :sunglasses:

When I spoke to them earlier today he did say "these cars are flying out ", I was thinking yeah it would do 1500 heat on hukd. But said to complete the finance form and take it from there.
Btw have you leased before?

Has anybody gone for this deal yet? I have just been to Hyundai garage to check out the car and it seems really nice. I did speak to them about this lease deal. They tried to match it but their monthly price was £172 Per month. Just wondering how these brokers manage to get it cheaper than the dealers???

I have just spoken with them - Its £125 something plus VAT = £153.49 so i've ordered mine today - delivery in September is sold out - will be October now i'm told.

Except they do share dealerships - try and look at the one in Gatwick/Crawley - they share the same building and reception!!

there'll be someone somewhere with a £900 banger running with no problems for longer than you've had your car. He could call you a mug for wasting money. It wouldn't make him right though, and thats the point. Old car reliability is essentially luck of the draw. You're chatting about a single car! I've spent more money than you on my 2nd hand car, which I've only owned for 3 years. Every car and every person is different and to try and apply a generic "best solution" is just people trying to validate their own choices as better than everyone elses. There are some people who will be better suited to leases and its not due to things as shallow as "lifestyle" use, whatever that is lol.

If you're just pottering about the shops or you live 10 mins from work, you obviously have very different requirements than someone who will easily cover the 10k per year.

1. Depends if the car is in stock or if you need to preorder the car. Which can take up to 3-8 weeks. Maybe more or less.

2. No MOT on this car as it's brand new. MOT only in cars older than 3 years.

3. Not sure

4. Maintenance is normally not included but you can pay extra to have this included

Not sure about 1-3.

4. This car has a two year service interval for certain mileage conditions and certain time spans so you may not need to service it before handing it back, otherwise it'll be an interim service at around £100 at a dealer or half that at an independent VAT registered garage.

Can anyone help me out here by answering some questions?

1. If i were to order this, how long would it take to get to me, is there a waiting queue?

2. Am i expected to pay MOT on this?

3. Had anyone had an issue of giving their old lease car in and getting a new one. I.e where you without a car for a while. Or did you end up getting 2 cars?

4. Not quite sure, but is maintenance free?

That is not a good start. I was going to ring then up regarding this deal as I am also interested.
But it does clearly say on the website including VAT

So decided to go for this deal. Started filling the on-line order form. Says VAT not included in price. Contacted them and awaiting conformation. Not a good start!!

my previous post was in response to someone accusing me of not knowing how to save money by criticizing a lease arrangement (so I stated my case...which shows I save way more money on my motoring!) - which is it to be 'lifestyle' or 'save money'?

I see!

hand it back and do another lease deal do you really want to start mucking about with repairs , mot's etc.

When it comes to picking a car, there is no right answer - not everyone is looking for the same thing from a car and not everyone is looking to pay the same out every month to own/lease/fuel/maintain it. Some will be looking for it as a means to commute and shop, nothing more, to others it will be their pride and joy.

So what exactly happens after 2 years?
You have to give the car back to the dealer, you can keep the car and pay a certain amount or what?

Prancer is better (has two fuel tanks)

Going to the pages that the link took me to, the threads are full of people with issues asking for advice on causes or fixes, whether warranty will cover it etc, making up 80% of the content going through the next pages. As I said, no great criticism of the marque - most car owner forums are like that. Doesn't mean that people in 60 countries do or don't love them.

monkeyhanger75 has an answer for everything so lets let him win and leave him to his victory. Doesn't mean he is right though.

You will get no refund for under-using the car - you'd be better off trying to agree terms for lower mileage at lower cost upfront. At your low miles I doubt you'll see more than 50mpg if you're using it every day as it'll not get a chance to warm up properly, Someone doing 12k+ miles might see an average of 60mpg. Official mpg on a stop-start car a fair bit off reality.

Every range has a statistical outlier (it may not always be the hybrid) and most ranges have a hybrid now. The whole range figure is an honest and comparable one rather than cherry picking those that suit your argument. You can see all real mpg values for newer engines with stop-start taking a dip (% of published) compared to their predecessors. They're all at it so that they remain comparable.

One man's dull is another man's understated - all in the eye of the beholder. The latest Honda Civic R-type with all its plasticky looking embellishments is probably the average boy racer's wet dream to look at (the kind that congregate in McDonalds drive through car parks at night), and some people still buy Nissan Jukes despite their challenging looks. My Golf R is pretty understated for its capability - just the way I like it.

Depends on your definition of "high" - my previous example showed you £675 a year better off in your £4k car if absolutely nothing unexpected happens. Many people would consider that extra £675 a year as money well spent for the peace of mind that it brings.

For understated, read dull.

I removed the hybrids because they are statistical outliers, given the fact hybrid vehicles mpg figures are ALWAYS wrong - see bmw i8 etc for example.

OK, so going hand cut for something was cheaper than the German part but not the same spec (no tint), doesn't mean that the £40 German part is more expensive than the competition - would the Toyota or Peugeot equivalent be cheaper than £40. You compared a £3 "patch-up" to the proper part. Is this your current car?

Don't forget the i20 clutch saga where a known fault with the vehicle resulted in warranty claims being rejected and owners being abandoned with two choices - ditch the car or pay for a new clutch themselves.

Hyundai's customer service and dealership support leaves a lot to be desired, but in fairness with a lease this probably won't be an issue.

So.... rely on the stats when they seem to reinforce your argument, and ditch them when they don't.

A smaller range should make it easier to get it right, less diversity of models, engines and other components. Not a fan of Honda's personally - they generally look like granny wagons for the regular ones or go crazy with the embellishments on the performance models, looking like someone's coated their Civic with glue and ram-raided Halfords.

Buying a car is a personal choice, we'd all be buying Toyota Auris if reliability is all we thought about when picking a car, we'd all be buying Audi A3s if residuals is all we thought about.

For the point above, does it really stack up to call people for "wasting money" buying or leasing a car they might derive enjoyment out of? By your arguments of nothing to show for your money at the end of your lease you might as well say that holidays are a massive waste of money too - all you have at the end of them is a few pictures and maybe a rapidly fading tan.

Most people go to work, pay the bills and spend what's left on enjoying themselves - for some it'll be a few nights on the town, for some it'll be a nice holiday, for others a car they'll enjoy driving or other pastimes. For you a car is a low priority for what you enjoy in life, doesn't mean the rest of us are idiots.

So your whole argument about rip-off priced German parts stems from the cost of a part from 30 years ago? Solid argument there. VAG parts are a lot cheaper than they used to be, sharing parts a cross a large group has plenty to do with that. Chances are, on a non-dimming plain rear view mirror from a bottom end Golf S, you'd pay less than £40 for one now. The argument was that German parts prices are generally cheaper than the competition, not cheaper than a hand cobbled solution.

Between 2004 and 2008 I owned 2 VW Passats and a brand new shiny new model Honda CR-V in 2009.
The Passats had long-service at 18000miles! That's right, 18000miles/30000km, it is common in Germany (or it was at the time). You can also read this on the oil bottles for VW group cars.
The timing belt interval was 120000km (that's about 72000 miles) while the Renault I got for a short while was scheduled at 60000km (36000miles). That is just what the books were saying for the cars I have personally owned.

Honda/Toyota could not offer an automatic gear box on their diesel range (not that Toyota really had a diesel range). In fact, Honda recently got into the diesel game themselfs... maybe this is an explanation why they are rated higher on reliability charts? Less parts less tech? Although the CR-V was a few years newer, it had half the features and tech compared to the Passat, even on the highest trim. The paint work was terrible, I did over 100k miles in the Passat and the paint was perfect, the Honda was far worse after just under 20000miles. Also interior plastics and materials showed signs of wear, again something not seen on the Passats after 100k miles. Did I had to make use of the warranty during the time I owned the Honda? Yes, plenty of problems, weird noises that they gave up and said just drive it like that and see what happens etc. No such issues with the Passats, although they were both bought second-hand.

As you can see here, BMW had a 15000 miles/2 years oil change policy, while all other cars had a 10000miles/1 year: f30.bimmerpost.com/for…291
It is news to me that they changed it for cars from 2014. But that still means owners could save for years and years compared to other brands.
You can also read here about the 18000miles/2 years service intervals for VW: volkswagen.co.uk/own…mes

So no, I am not just expressing personal opinions with no facts to back them up.

That reliability chart you keep posting is also very strange, seems like French and Italian cars are more reliable than German, and SsangYong is more reliable than Mercedes! (but SsangYong of course uses a Mercedes engine??).
Also seems like Bentley and Porche are the worse in terms of reliability... I would still go for a Porche over a Renault, call me crazy.

I am not saying buy German, if you don't like them. They have a market, as they are clearly doing the best out of all car manufacturers financially, they buy other companies in fact. Maybe German engine failures score higher because they sell in such great numbers? I know Volvo used german engines, SSangYong as well, Mitsubishi, Seat, Audi, VW, Skoda and so on, Rover used BMW engines... they sell by far 10 times more diesel engines than Honda for example (I am sure you would agree) and a lot of them with automatic gear box (that you rarely see on Japanese cars, right?) and so on.

"It's hard to believe that Honda has never before offered a diesel automatic combination, but it wasn't until 2004 that the Japanese manufacturer was able to offer its own diesel engine at all." theaa.com/all…tml
At that is basically Honda, all other Japanese manufacturers are even more behind the times.

Also please remember BMW, Mercedes, Audi, Porche, and even VW all offer high performance, and are drived accordingly, so very hard to compare reliability with Daewoo/Hyundai/Kia that are usually bought by a different demographics and driven differently and just plain offer about half the power/performance/gadgets.

In fact, I am sure Dacia will top all the reliability charts soon, but you wan;t really post about it here and say do not buy Hyundai/Honda, buy dacia?

Somehow you managed to ignore all comments from others saying the same thins as me and only replied to mine.
Hope it's nothing personal.

When was that (your Nissan experience) ? Seems like you are talking about one 10 y.o. car. I had one and it broke down. Hmm, now drawing conclusion from a one-off...
My point is that Nissan is owned by Renault, when I went to test drive a Mitsubishi it had a VW engine, Mazda is mostly ford, Honda/Toyota didn't even had a Diesel engine until recently, then they did but they could not manage an auto gear box on diesel engines and so on.
So what is your point?

German car parts cheaper, yes. What is your point, again? The post got quite a few likes, which would indicate it resonates with others' opinion as well, but you can also refer to posts no #118 and #96, that confirm what I said.

VAG cars are generally understated, they won't look out of place in 10 years time because they weren't generally radical to look at when new, maybe they're designs are generally a bit safe and unoffensive, but they evolve and people keep buying them. The MK8 Golf won't look too different than the MK7 - but while it's a formula that sells why change it?

The Civic changed hugely between the 7th and 8th generation, the new "futuristic" styling put a lot of mature buyers off that previously bought them. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and I find most Japanese cars a bit ugly and the sporty ones don't generally look aggressive, some people will love the looks of a Juke, the Korean cars are looking a bit German on the outside these days - they're obviously aiming for what they think sells in the European market.

As for ditching stats, you decided to discount the ones that failed to reinforce your argument. I'm sure you could do that on any marque - take the worst performing model out of the equation and bump the rest of them up.

Give the guy a break. He commented on his experience of the car, and everyone's taking him to task for doing so. He didn't like it, and he shared that with us. Along with the many other comments here we get a range of opinions and as we're all big boys and girls we can use the information gained to make a decision. It's called bounded rationality - the idea that we have a limited range of information sources available. Sites like this add to the information we have.

Considering the very high failure rate of VW/Audi and BMW engines perhaps the long service intervals were perhaps not the best idea in the world.

autoexpress.co.uk/car…res

Again there is nothing strange about the warranty direct figures you are just fighting to find something to criticise. We can all start making excuses that suit our viewpoint. I could make the point that french cars are urban cars making shorter journey's and changing gear a lot more compared to larger executive cars that have easy miles on motorways or we could look at cars that tend to transport higher loads, whole families etc or are used for trade use.

People just need to know that German cars nowadays are not competitive in reliability. This is not a criticism of their performance or the driving experience. They need to weigh up their desire for performance, brand and driving experience against high purchase cost and questionable reliability and maintenance costs.

From recollection, I paid £6,000 cash when it was 3-4 years old, it's now worth about £2,000 ..Therefore total cost of ownership = depreciation (£4k) + maintenance (£700) = £4,700 ....but that's over 6 years....therefore £783 per year vs. £2,000 per annum for this deal (but it's worth pointing out that the £1,200 extra required would comes out of 'post tax' earned income, so to go with this lease deal i'd have to work/earn £1700 more each year)

But then again motoring to me is a utility (an 'A' to 'B' thing) vs. a lifestyle as it is for some.

I wouldn't say that, the majority of owners from over 60 countries love them...

That's ridiculous, you spent more than 700 just on car tax plus MOT, you didn't mention if you bought new and for how much, if it is a petrol or diesel etc.

With this lease deal, you pay 0 car tax, 0 mot, save on fuel, you also get free breakdown cover, new tyres, better safety, bettr breakin distance that could save your life in an incident, and breath better air through better air filtration tech. Of course by not spending the money on a new car like you seem to have done, you could earn a couple thousands in interest by keepeing the money in the bank during the 6 years

If you value none of that, old cars are for you.

I didn't ditch the stats at all, I explained them in more detail. Interpretation of statistics is really quite important.

If you look at the figures for all non hybrid vehicles in the Honda range, it is quite easy to show their figures are much more accurate than those in the Bavarian tractor range.

A VAG man slanging off styling, funny , just look how far VAG cars have evolved over the years...

Your wrong I'm afraid, you won't get a penny back if you do under mileage, that is not how leasing works - you never own the vehicle, you are basically renting it for the duration of the lease and have paid to do a certain number of miles in the car.which is what the lease is priced to accordingly.
The way to do the lease is to pick the mileage to what you expect to do and if you are going to go over that amount you can pay an adjusted increase in monthly payment or pay for the additional mileage at the end of the lease but you will not get anything back if you have done under the amount agreed initially.

i though is Honda lol

I am seriously considering this deal; just need to test drive one :smile: It would be heaven to not have to think about repairs, mot's & road tax. And at 79mpg, I can forget about the fuel for a while too.

BTW. If anyone's on a tighter budget; I've just discovered the basic S model is here for £900 deposit/£119.99 24 months, 10K mileage:-

contracthireandleasing.com/car…76/

Also, if my logic is correct (knowing you're not going to do that much mileage), try and choose the 10,000 miles per year option. That way, when you return the car at the end of the contact - the leasing company will have anticipated a higher mileage so you end up with more equity owed to you. That extra few £'s per month could result in you being owed back £100's at the end.

For example, I do about 6000 miles a year - a 3 year/10K deal gives the leasing company an end value based on 30,000 miles. But I would return my car having only done 18,000 - hello refund! Well, i hope i'm right anyway :wink:

for someone who is on a money saving site your comments show just how little you know about saving money (except your assumption that running about in an old car that you have spent £700 on is a great thing)
make your money work and that shiny leased car will not be a drain on your finances.
then you shall go to the ball in your new car

A report I read the other day reports that these deals are becoming so popular as to flood the 2nd hand market and reduce residuals and by the time you come for your next car at the end of the lease that prices will be so high as to make your next lease unaffordable and you left without a car, or only able to afford a low price older car than the one you originally leased. Beware.

Well given that the last five cars I have owned have been Audi, Audi, VW, VW, Ford, that would explain why I formed that opinion! I'll look into Hondas a lot more closely next time then (which is something I was considering anyway to be honest, based on reviews etc).

What's your point mate, I had a Nissan for four and a half years 2nd hand and between me and the original owner who had it for 4 years previous the only things we changed were tyres, brake pads and exhaust rear box.



German prices cheaper? drivers door rear view mirror over £40 just for the glass, guess where I told the parts assistant to stick it. Got a replacement without blue tint and convex for £3 at my local glass merchant, hand cut to fit.

Yes that's it before I put the gaffer tape go faster stripes on it and they worked just as well as the originals.
Do you seriously think £40 is a reasonable price ( 30 years ago by the way ) for less than half a square foot of tinted mirror glass.
When I asked at the motor show of a top Audi rep there how could they justify charging that much, his reply was " because we can". I think he missed out " get away with it "
Can't speak for Japanese cars because except for wear and tear items which you never have done at the dealer, unless it's under warranty to keep the warranty valid, never had to buy anything .

Not really, essentially you're paying for depreciation with minimal interest charges. Unless you buy a used car with cash then you're realistically paying between 20-50+% of its original cost in interest depending on your financial status and loan period before you add in depreciation.

Even if you bought this car for cash in 2 years time you'd have probably lost more than the lease deal is in depreciation, that's winning when it comes to driving a car that's fresh out of the showroom and not only that but there's plenty of cars that lose more than 2 grand a year in depreciation before you factor in running costs!

How olds your car? You've probably bought it at 2 or 3 years old so now it's 8 or 9 years old and its actual worth is something between a grand or 2 tops unless it's something special, how much have you lost since you bought it Inc any finance you may have used?

It was the 1.5 Dci N-tec too. £180 admin fee.
It was from Fleet Prices.

& with peace of mind comes (high) cost.

Yes you're quite right; "buy" should really include lease, finance and whatever else, but the principle is sound - used cars come from someone/somewhere who's had it new so that someone else can get it used!

What you do with the car while leasing it is your business. :stuck_out_tongue:

Why would Jaguar land rover have this as a courtesy car, what car did you take in for a service when you were given this ?

Majorly tempted by this. My current car is worth roughly a grand and I've been looking at cars for around £4k. Of which I'd either have to buy on finance or loan.

So for the same price I'd be getting a new car with much much better specs, performance and warranty etc, just can't make any money back after 2 years.

One question would be are you allowed to specify the colour or are you given what's available?

It was a Hyundai i30 coupe not a F1 race car :b

Not quite.

There are people 'daft enough' who buy a used car that's 1-2 years old and sell on 2-3 years later.

Someone will buy this 2 year old car with 20k miles on the clock for £11k at a dealer - add to that a horrendous APR/finance package. A further 2 years down the line, if the owner wants to sell the car then they'll be lucky to get £6k for it. So they would have been better off leasing.

I like leasing new cars every couple of years - I can happily hit the rev limiter, accelerate heavily, drift round a corner, brake sharply, handbrake turn etc. knowing that another person will be inheriting the car.

That's not taking into account the skin flake encrusted footwells, semen stained backseats, a few bogies on the seats' undersides and dog slob/drool in the boot.

And yes - I like to get the full value from a leased car.

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Japanese parts have always been a bit more expensive but then they aren't needed as often. It's hard to find statistics that separate part prices with labour costs but German costs (parts and labour) are very high as can easily be seen by looking at Warranty Direct figures.

I don't believe your comment about service intervals is true but can't be bothered to research it much. A quick look at BMW shows 12 months or every 10,000 miles but Ford is 12,500 miles and that was the only 2 brands I looked at.

As for service schedule its a minefield of different parts being replaced at different times for different engines etc even for the same brand. My car has a timing belt good for either 60,000 miles or 10 years which ever comes first but another engine in the range does have a timing chain with a longer replacement schedule.

We can all have opinions of what we think is true but Warranty direct actually have completely unbiased information from real statistics with absolutely no bias.

Looking at engine reliability we find both BMW and Audi have a very high percentage of engine faults close to 20% on an already poor figure for overall reliability. These aren't strong, reliable units in reality. Only Mercedes seem to have good engine statistics.

I've owned many german made cars and you can see the general decline in German reliability and quality over the years. They have maintained technical innovation but the cars do not represent the reliability they once had going by the statistics that are available. That's just the way it is and that is not opinion that is the evidence.

​Seven year warranty with a Kia which is virtually the same cars across the range

Only a "no brainer" if you were going to be daft enough to buy a new car surely?

I think 55MPG is on the low side. My 1.6 Octavia has similar MPG claims to this car. I've got 64MPG on a long run and averaging about 60MPG. That's measuring over a full tank and doing the sums rather than the cars computer reading (which give my long term average as 63.5MPG)

Diesel and you don't get to keep the car, freezing cold! Just kidding, I imagine some just will never "get" a lease

If you look on the Peugeot 208 lease deal thread, you will be surprised by how many are not taking a test drive first. That may be because there was no availability, but they still ordered.

Why is the Pulsar better than the i30?

Alright is this a lower spec? - will have to check the Hyundai website for the different models

Late to the party (as always) but another quality deal on here by karlie88 - thanks!

For the money, these are really great value in my opinion. If you don't yearn for super-luxurious plastics (think of what the Seat interiors are like to their Golf/Audi counterparts), then you'll be more than happy. Standard equipment is great and they're comfortable to drive.

Most importantly, the lease term is cheaper than expected depreciation over the same time - no brainer!

Maybe if we're lucky, we'll get to see some photos of happy customers receiving their new cars :wink:

I've had a few of these as hire cars and I like them. Definitely the best of the large compact category. Very refined and well made cars. Far superior to a nasty Astra. For 4 times the monthly cost of a mobile phone contract, it's a bargain. On a long run you will get about 55mpg.

I just got the Nissan Pulsar 1.5 dci N-tec for £157pm, 3+23, 10k miles per year.
Better deal than this.

Calm down love.

Yes, all car manufacturers are bad for this, but based on reviews I've read and the i40 I had as a courtesy car for a while, I think Hyundai's are particularly bad for it.

To be fair though, other than that I think they are great cars for the money - well spec'd, well built, and (in my opinion) fairly nice styling.

The steering on the i40 I tried also had little feel to it, so not a great 'driver's car' if you're after that. On the flip side though the light steering made parking and manoeuvring really easy, and let's face it this is probably more important to most people in 'real world' driving conditions.

If Parker's know what a car is worth then why doesn't the trade use it instead of CAP or Glasses?

It's for idiots who also think Which know what they are talking about...

Had a rental car in Spain recently and my heart sank when they gave me a Hyundai. Was great car though.

Surely you mean the Jong-uns.

Interesting that they charge you more if you took the term out over 4 years. I figured it would be cheaper as they get more money out of me.

Our current car is 8 years old, will probably run it until it hit's 12 years/starts having real problems.

I wonder how this type of deal works out over buying a car and keeping it for 10 years+, which is cheaper.

About £300 cheaper but it's the lowest spec i30 - still a good deal.

I'm starting my first least at the end of September on an Alfa Mito. At the end of the lease you'll just give it back, so when you're in your last few months just be on the lookout for another deal, or another car you'd like. I asked the dealer who I'm getting mine from to get the car at the end of September in July to coincide with the insurance ending on my current car, so I would think that they will accommodate you to make sure they get their sale.

Madness, £4k to 'lend' a car for TWO years....still, if you've got to keep up with the Joneses....

Don't expect to get anywhere near their claimed mpg, honest John real mpg has this at 57.3mpg, a far cry from 78.4.
honestjohn.co.uk/rea…ive

You probably won't be able to buy it - there may be an agreement in place that these will go back into the franchised dealership network as used stock. If there is the option to buy it will likely be quite a high price. A "fair price would be somewhere in the middle between the typical GFV you will see on a finance example to buy the car over 24 months and the used forecourt price for a 2 year old example e.g. GFV for the £18.5k car = £9k and used forecourt price = £11k then expect to pay £10k.

Bulbs are consumables (some notable exceptions such as LED units or a Xenon bulb failing very prematurely), as are tyres (unless you have a tyre/service contract too) wiper blades and fluid top-ups, you will need to insure it yourself.

Lol no, it's always people rushing to defend the lease car on these types of deals. Strange old website, everyone's so angry.

hello, I am new to lease contracts, can any one help me answer the following:

Can you buy the car after the two year deal ?
if so, what is the best calculator to use to find out the value ?
Does this cover all maintenance inc tires and bulb, and does it cover insurance?

Thanks for your help, Im thinking of selling my T180 D4D Auris 2007 and getting this.

You'd go to Hyundai and get it replaced under warranty.

Great deal..rubbish comments help to make it better
The car is a star
I decided no car change till I die

Most used cars don't come from 'people' buying them, fleet, rental and leasing supply the biggest majority of used cars.

The lowest supplier of new used cars is the 'cash buyer'.

One of the main problems with leasing - timing of the next car. You could potentially be paying for 2 cars or have no car at all for several weeks/months. Leasing a 'stock' car would minimise this impact, but the very best deals are usually factory orders and you'd be looking at a 2-9 month wait depending on the car.

Good find. Does worker out cheaper if you can afford the bigger deposit.

And tomorrow the bottom end bearings could fail and shove a conrod through the engine wall pretty much writing off your car!

Not that it'll happen but leasing takes away the problem if it does with a car, what you pay is pretty much what it will cost you with exception of tyres and servicing and even that can be included.

Bottom line is you are driving around in a 6 year+ old car and hoping something doesn't go wrong whereas you could be in a new one and not giving a monkeys if it does....

Really interest in this, never considered it before. Prob get about £2500 for our Fiesta. What happens at the end of the lease? Can you carry on with the payments or are there always deals like this floating round? Just concerned about having nothing in two years.

As there is also a Hyundai dealership attached to the site I suppose.

I hired this car and it was excellent . The worst car I have hired was the Vauxhall insignia due to the infotainment system being unuseable. nowadays car on are built to such a level that the difference between them is tiny and only experienced road testers can pick up things to criticise. take the Audi a1 for example . its just as relaxed on the motorway as a merc s-class

An aftermarket spoiler would be a good investment for you then:

If something break down, lets say the gear box breaks, who pay for repairs?

The equivalent model to this in North Korea is a donkey

I just knew if I clicked into this deal I'd be able to play a game of 'HUKD Badge Snob Bingo'.....and I wasn't disappointed.

Full House before i finished the first comments page...(_;)

Decent deal heated.

Similar story here. 1.4 petrol; strange floaty feel over bumps when pressing on (lol that I can "press on" in a 1.4 petrol). Spacious interior (better than narrow Focus). Front seat backs uncomfortable. Front tyre noise very bad on all but the newest road surfaces.

and not rear wheel drive so can be driven in snow :smile: and in a study was one of the worst, seat to steering wheel non alignment and twist.

I just wish they still made the coupe, I love mine, drives so smoothly (though it does lack downforce for high speed cornering).

......that works out a bit cheaper if you've got the money up front.....unless I'm having a bad maths day....

I tend to think it's the reverse though older cars tend to be more reliable especially if they are low mileage, one owner cars that have benefited from 7 year warranties. With ever more stringent emissions regulations and an emphasis on low running costs modern cars have gone down the route of looking to minimise friction. That has resulted in thinner and thinner oils which inevitably leads to higher oil consumption. Couple that with extended service intervals and a generation of motorists that never lifts the bonnet and there has been a huge increase in engine failures in recent years.

Older Tech, Asian cars tend to attract owners who grew up checking the fluid levels as a matter of routine and who are more likely to buy extended warranties for pretty much everything.

The reliability index is based on data from warranty direct and their aftermarket warranties. There are a few things to beware of firstly the data is years out of date, take a Hyundai for instance they come with a 5 year warranty as standard so the Hyundai data doesn't come from the i range it comes from the likes of the coupe, the getz and the Tucson etc. Then you look a little deeper and the average age of the Getz's they cover is 6.79 years old with an average mileage of 43k. So you have a car that is low tech, low mileage and likely to be owned by a more mature driver who is conscientious enough to have taken out an aftermarket warranty and is likely to have owned the car from new.

For me you can't really compare that to say a keen drivers car that is more likely to have been owned by a company initially, is likely to have had more owners, done more miles, to have been driven harder, to of had younger owners and is likely to of been maintained to a lower standard.

Over 1000 heat now! Be interesting to know how many people have actually gone for this.....

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Quite funny how you are trumpeting a German engineer joining Hyundai whilst lambasting JLR who have a German CEO in Dr Ralph Speith, A German engineering director in Dr Wolfgang Ziebart, have their research and technologies headed up by Wolfgang Epple and have Wolfgand Stadler formerly of BMW as Executive Director of Global Manufacturing.

As for the comments about being banged together by brummies and scousers funny how those brummies and scousers have helped turn JLR into a huge success story that exports cars to all corners of the globe and brings massive balance of payments benefits to the economy.

I guess it depends on your needs.

That was a fun hot hatch with a lot of tech, leather seats, but not very family friendly and £11 more per month.

This car has far better fuel economy, 5 doors, bigger boot, will have a cheaper service, won't chew its tyres and cheaper to insure - but it ain't got 200bhp.

I'll always go for the faster car - just waiting for a lease deal on a M4 or GTR - probably will never happen, but you never know...

£119.99 a month for the S
contracthireandleasing.com/car…76/

* EDIT * larger deposit...

Actually, it's honda's hybrids that artificially affect their overall average, that plus their much smaller range of cars.

Still, you'd get more use of the Honda with the VW spending far more time on a ramp. X)

For comparison, my petrol i30 1.4 does 45 mpg on commutes or motorway journeys. Even 50 on a warm summer day with no traffic. This is after correction for the 6% speedo over read.

A good price for this car, but that Pug 208 GTI deal that you posted Karlie was out of this world - the same miles PA and actually works out virtually the same per month - £166.

Yes it is older data and that is the main problem with Warranty Direct figures but clearly most cars have a 3 year warranty but lets face it that should skew the figures against brands with long warranties as Kia and Hyundai will only be statistics on that site when they are older cars and more worn out. However the real point is for most people their major concern about reliability is when the warranty ends when they are fully exposed to repair costs. It's also a fantastic indicator for overall reliability without any bias even if the figures are old. Certainly far better than satisfaction survey's that can be exceptionally poor as per the example in Australia where the two motorbike brands with the worst reliability Harley Davison and BMW actually scored highest for satisfaction.

It would be absolutely brilliant if by law all work on cars had to be reported to the government so that statistics could be created for all cars as soon as they are purchased and any warranty work commences but in the absence of that Warranty Direct is the next best thing.

Again lets not try to bend reality and start trying to pretend somehow Warranty Direct is wrong or their figures can be discounted or ignored. This is the best info we currently have to make an informed choice about reliability and repair costs.

autoexpress.co.uk/car…res

The i20 is a solid car let down by lacklustre engines. Hyundai should remedy this soon enough with a small turbo petrol.

i30 is a good few years older but again, solid. Still looks good inside and out and is a competent drive.

No thanks. Any time I've borrowed my mums it feels like its made of tin. And I only own a vw. Poor build quality and feel

Or Seat owner, you forgot Seat. Maybe producing the car parts in such large numbers (as they are the same on VW, Skoda, Seat, Audi and plenty other brands that use VW engines, like Volvo, Mitsubishi etc) means better prices.
I remember someone at a Renault dealer telling me the prices for some repairs and being ashamed of the prices, she told me something like "this is Renault, sell a it cheaper but make up the money in parts".

All cars, be they Japanese or French, use some german parts, mainly from Bosch, but they still seem to be sold more expensive... Mistery

So what happens after 2years? Do you have to find 6.5k to keep the car? Or can you give it back and walk away?

Should also mention Skoda is also bigger than the i30.

That's the Skoda effect - VAG know they can't get away with selling part x to a Skoda owner for £12, £16 to a VW owner and £20 to an Audi owner. German parts are very reasonable these days, Ford parts are getting expensive, and Jap/French parts have always been expensive.

is there any difference in cost when insuring a lease car?

Cheapest it's been is £4.8k over the term.

hotukdeals.com/dea…741

Where did you get the deal from and how much was the admin fee?

If you're paying £4.1k, then you should've posted it as a deal.

I did, most of the Honda's with a high % are pre stop-start tech. The 2012 Civic Hybrid is only 77%. Industry average is 86%. Honda average is 91%, VW average is 89% - hardly a massive difference.

Across all marques you can see the real mpg generally take a dip for models produced after 2013 that have stop-start tech added.

does anybody know anything about cars on finance apparently you have to have at least two years no claims bonus in order to get one.

reason for asking is that I'm thinking of getting one???

been driving one as a works car for a year. stop start is dreadful and sometimes wont restart the engine unless you turn the key. The suspension is very soft and bottoms out over speed bumps a lot. Grip in the wet is poor. ICE is pretty good and looks pretty good, but to drive its not great im afraid.

Your car is not representative of the population. Thus £700 is not representative of real potential repairs. It could be lower or higher. Anecdotal evidence is poor empirical evidence unless the sample population is significantly higher.

Just a reminder that Hyundai and Kia are South Korean cars, not Japanese.

Good price, OK car.

Car parts for german cars are cheaper than car parts for french or Honda, I owned both and looked at a few statistics and also was able to see for myself.

Also, german cars have longer service intervals (sometimes double or triple compared to french and japanese) which also saves you time and money.

Also, a lot of german cars have timing chains (maintainence free) or high interval timing belt changes. My Passat needed a change at 90k or 120k, while Renault needed a new one every 60k...

Also, fuel efficiency is surprisingly better in a heavy powerful BMW compared to lower powered french/japanese.

I also found the paint job standing the test of time much better on german cars.
Lots of ways german cars save you money in the long term. Sorry, I don't want to get into a debate, I owned german, french, italian, japanese... just a few thoughts, no need to slate me as a german car lover.

Have a look at Honest John's site for real mpg and see...

and then they go and call Lego bricks Lego's or Legos!
I wish they'd make up their minds! X)

Should have gone for KIA then.....

I have a 2011 Hyundai i30 1.6crdi...and after 80k I can honestly say it's the most economical car I have ever owned and is built like a tank. Plus the warranty service I have always found to be fantastic.

Very tempted by this deal....

Does anyone know how much it will cost for additional milage? Cant seem to find it on the website

The i20 isn't great, wouldn't expect this to be much better.

Highly recommended from me.

Japanese cars, like Nissan?

I'll have 5

On a new EU6 compliant car they are all overstating by a long way - they're using the same yardstick, with the stop-start function stretching the mpg claims way beyond reality. If Honda were far more honest than Ford then on paper they'd look a lot worse and it would put people off. Mpg also depends very much on driving style. Someone who buys a performance model and hammers it all the time will get nowhere near the figures. Someone who drives like a saint and has a 40 mile commute to work will get near them, someone who has a 5 mile commute and drives like a saint will get nowhere near as the car will still be cold when they finish their journey.

Pre stop-start models I have owned (mainly VW TDIs) have surpassed the combined mpg figure most of the time. Post stop-start introduction and i'm doing well to get within 75% of it. My cousin's 2014 Honda Jazz (with stop start) is similarly optimistic on the official figures.

That is bang on the money for me. A good example is the two biggest reliability issues reported by JD Power are bluetooth connectivity problems and speech recognition issues. Build older tech base models and sell them to mature owners who do fewer miles and get their cars serviced on the button and suddenly you shoot to the top of the reliability charts.

I've owned the estate version of this for over a year now. 128BHP version with Navigation and it is brilliant. I was sceptical selling my BMW 3 series for a cheap family car. I've learned to love the i30.

The BMW was obviously nicer to drive but it was a pain in the neck. Forever stuck, completely impractical, ridiculously expensive to fix and massively over rated.

seems like these lease deals are becoming more and more popular, its the modern way to have £20k worth of car on the drive for the price of a good night out per month, no brainer really.

Feeble purchasing power? They're spending the same as your example but choosing to have for 2 years with everything shiny and new and no worries about paying for anything failing on it. If someone wants a new car every few years, even if they have £18k sitting in the bank they'd be daft to buy this car and face the depreciation rather than lease on this deal.

Buying or leasing a new car isn't a daft decision if you can afford either the payments or the purchase price. This site is about saving money for the stuff that appeals to you, not encouraging everyone to deprive themselves of what they want and living a beans on toast lifestyle.

I bought my £32k car outright with some haggling to get the price down, and it's one of the best (% terms) for retaining value, but had I been able to jump on a cheap lease for it for less than the depreciation suffered over the time i'd own it then I would've done.

No one keeps a car forever, and in keeping a car 6 years you are very much in the minority for how long people keep cars, no matter how they acquire them.

Not on Hyundai ,that remains a very good five years . I think maybe you are getting mixed up with Kia ?

It does sound like you have a dud or a poor garage but remember reliability ratings are based on how common a car has faults and its all down to probabilities whether you get such a car. Maybe 4 Honda's in a 100 have problems but for BMW that may be 20 out of a 100 and Hyundai's 7 out of 100. However you'd be wise to also consider Hyundai has a 5 year warranty compared to only 3 years for the other 2 brands. That's 2 additional years of protection against repair costs. Also remember reliability of cars is an average of all models either for the brand or the model. A complex tuned sporty model or diesel with a turbo etc is likely to be less reliable than a basic lower capacity 4 cylinder petrol injection model without turbo.

Companies like BMW are setup to make a lot more margin from aftersales too which I guess is always the case with performance cars. A solid structural car with a high quality long-life interior means a longer time period before being scrapped and in that time a large number of high margin parts will be purchased to keep more complex and less reliable engineering working. The same can be said of most performance models in any brand range, it's a huge bonus for the manufacturer as additional high margin parts need to be regularly purchased.

Not them all, some Hondas actually get more than claimed.

Ford and VW are probably the worst offenders having looked at the figures.

I wouldn`t say "Bluetooth phone support" would be the first thing I looked at when if I was buying a car oO

​now the warranty is 7 years

My lad is still driving my old 2002 Toyota Corolla. Has about 147k on the clock. Fuel efficiency is shot to bits and its eating batteries but it's still doing an 80 mile daily commute!
PS - Son, if you read this, could I ask that just once before the car dies, could you not take it to the Bulgarians in Tesco's car park for a decent wash & valet?????

The response is in the "I own nothing once two years has passed" bit....i.e. it was nothing but a fleeting moment in which those who went for it kidded themselves it was their car. It wasn't.

I've owned my present car 6 years ...during that time I've only spent about £700 on it (& plus it still has worth, something I can sell) ...but sure, if you're wanting to sign up to the "you shall go to the ball, no matter how feeble your purchasing power is" party...then sure - hot deal.

Reviews look very favourable.

carbuyer.co.uk/rev…deo

At least every local garage here is able to fix the heater matrix.

If you're American, and even then it's not really excusable!

Hi, I'm really considering this deal. What happens at the end of the lease? Do you have to buy the car or do you just give it back? What about damage/scratches ? Any information will be much appreciated.

It's hardly about the exterior style. I didn't even mention the word 'style'. It's mostly irrelevant to my point. I can name many cars that look alright but have little enthusiasm behind the wheel.

It's about the interior, or the driving dynamics. It's just so mediocre to actually drive. Ok, so the Focus or the Golf diesels aren't exactly Lamborghinis, but they drive with a great deal more verve and involvement.

As someone that likes cars, this just feels dismal to sit in and actually drive. It would feel especially so if I liked cars and chose to lease this instead of a little extra on something a bit better.

I must have a dud then, because I'm contemplating selling off my Civic just 14 months in due to trip after trip to a mechanic. I've already pumped in more than a quarter of what I paid for the vehicle, and it's a 2010 civic too.

There are some people here that think every car of a particular brand is bulletproof and every car of another is a complete dog which is inevitably destined to cause issues throughout it's shelf life. There are Hondas that will give you nothing but trouble, just as there are Citroen C6s out there that will give many years of reliable service. Many of these reliability indexes don't tell the whole story. Comparing a £6k RRP granny wagon with basic equipment that only does 2k miles pa with a sophisticated £30k model that is driven 15k miles pa for incidence of breakdown/repair work is ridiculous. My mate's elderly dad just got shot of an S-reg Nissan Micra. He was amazed that it has never missed a beat, but then again, his 16 year old car had 26k miles on it when he got rid and it had an oil change every year. He literally drove it to Morrisons and back.

Reliability comparisons are about statistics. If every Audi, Jag, Peugeot was doomed to perpetual failure then a fair chunk of the margin for every car made would be swallowed up by warranty costs. When franchised dealers are getting £40ph for warranty work (about 1/2 of what they get when you're paying the bill), and the cost of parts are taken into account, do people think they'll stand for £3k warranty costs on every car they make?

Some people really need some perspective...."style best around"..... Really??

Hot deal though, if it's an A-B car you want with good economy and price, it's a fab car. Power is also enough for a motorway cruiser.

Though if your looking for refinement, power and driver involvement, this car isn't it.

the clue is in the "secondhand car" bit

Yes it is, also includes insurance, fuel, weekly valets and a house with a drive to park it on.

Please, please PLEASE tell me you are joking. The style of the i30 is one of the best around.

You could spend £4k on a second hand car. It it was a car that was originally an £18k car, you're probably talking something that is at least 6 years old, maybe 8 years old if it was a slow depreciator. The warranty will likely be long gone. It may need new tyres, new brake pads, new shocks. It will cost you a couple of MOT fees, it will likely cost more to insure (newer cars generally have better safety equipment and security to keep insurance costs down), a couple of tax discs to pay. If you're lucky, nothing unexpected will fail. Keep it 2 years and it has depreciated by a likely £1500. It probably isn't as efficient as a newer model either.

For argument's sake lets say the costs are:

2 x £130 tax disc for some 2009 model that didn't already have a ridiculously low CO2 rating without stop-start tech.

2 x front tyres (at minimum, lets say some decent 16" at £60 each)

2 x £55 MOT.

2 x £250 extra fuel costs for having a thirstier older car.

2 x £50 extra to insure.

£1500 depreciation.

You could've earned £250 leaving that £4k in the bank earning interest.

Add all that up and you're about £1150 up on this lease if nothing goes wrong. I'd rather have the newer car with the warranty and (likely) better standard tech for £675 a year more. At some point you're going to have the hassle of trying to sell an 8 or 10 year old car if you keep it only those 2 years. Add in finance cost if you don't have the £4k up front (some won't).

Don't keep cars past warranty then. Why do you think they offer a five year warranty???

Reliability is a tiny concern on a well warrantied car, unless it's off the road so much that it is a major inconvenience or it's a safety concern (on a safety concerned common fault then you're talking recalls - Toyota hasn't been doing too well on that score lately) - that's usually lemon territory and it can happen to every marque.

The difference in reliability between the best and worst marques isn't a huge gulf any more, and when a Japanese car does go wrong out of warranty it is very expensive to repair. Something at no 10 on a reliability index isn't 3x less likely to go wrong than no 30.

It is impressive that a feature packed Lexus can score as highly as a bare bones Supermini, but saying that marque x is 5 times less reliable than marque y is false.

Your might be referring to this poll - reliabilityindex.com/man…rer.
It's the same with motorbikes, Japanese have been top for years and years.

I can't see the appeal...with the lease it's costing you £4k & after two years you have nothing but photos of the car. Whereas if you spent £4k on a secondhand car, you'll have something that will last you a few years afterwards.

Insurance and how you finance the car are completely separate. The finance doesn't depend on NCB.

Road tax is always included in a lease price. I'll give you the fuel thing, though. And tyres.

Figures I gave you are accurate. Took a lot of haggling and charm to get that price, admittedly. Probably spent £100 on phone bills. The charm you can't put a price on :stuck_out_tongue:

Price is ok, car is a bit.....dismal. If you are leasing something at least lease something that has some sort of inspiration when it is built. It's an adequately functioning car that feels like it aspires to do nothing else but move you between two places. Perfect for those that actually don't really care about cars I suppose being the point.

Maybe it's not for you. Walk away. Move on. Nothing to see here. Certainly not the "daft" people who buy new cars - whom without, there would be no used cars...

there's plenty of really terrible japanese cars esp just over 4years old

It'd be a different story if he didn't sell Kia's to grannies for a living.

You could always buy the same model of car secondhand if you really like it. It's a transferable warranty so you could end up with 3 years of warranty on a s/hand i30 the same warranty as buying most cars new.

£8,000+4000 is better than £18,500

less likely to get keyed
you dont get bothered at dogging sites
others might feel pity and let you out at junctions

More space, just as economical, better specification, looks better. Personal preference I suppose but the list price is nearly £21k.

Stunning deal. My i30 is 6 years old, approx 75,000 miles. Still great. Really considering this, especially as looking at Diesel for my next car. Fantastic car.

so it'd be cheaper for hyundai to just drive these off a cliff
if it wasn't for the landfill tax

If you use comparison sites then quite a few companies won't quote on a car that you don't own. A way around it is to say you are the owner on the comparison sites find the cheapest quotes and then contact the cheapest companies directly and explain that you are leasing.

Jap cars last forever and score the highest in reliability year on year, Honda in particular is bullet proof, a recent which poll scored them as the most reliable, however the brisitsh made versions in Swindon do rattle a lot (CRV).

I would rather buy a second hand marque car than spend my money on these!

I don't think that is particularly fair. It's clear the french reliability rating is probably in no small part due to the fact they mainly sell smaller, simpler cars in greater numbers and the same could be said of Fiat.

However the japanese do many complicated cars including large 4WD models packed with the latest tech. Then there is Lexus. These cars still score very highly for reliability.

Jaguar's don't score as highly as BMW but there is only a tiny difference and they score much better than Mercedes and Audi but all of these brands are approximately 2x worse than the average car. Honda's are about 5x as reliable as these brands and Toyota 3x. That's a huge difference. Totally accept reliability isn't everything though but its not unimportant either. An unreliable car can be major hassle, health damaging and a financial burden.

Previous ST-2 deals around a year ago were £4800. Your monthly payments suggest you're on a 6+23 term which means a higher deposit.

hotukdeals.com/dea…628

hotukdeals.com/dea…928

Not doubting you - just think a Fiesta ST-2 for about £4200 would have been a fantastically hot lease deal. If not THE hottest ever.

Your fuel and road tax will be an extra £50 a month (based on 10k miles using honest john's real mpg figures) over that of the Hyundai so you're not really making a fair comparison.

Can't remember when exactly I got the deal, but the car was delivered in November last year. Took a bit of haggling. Company was Future Vehicle Leasing.

When did you get the deal? And with whom if you don't mind me asking? Ta.

Slightly higher initial payment at £492. Same mileage. Perhaps I should have posted it, didn't realise I'd got a bargain, haha!

What was the initial payment? And what's your mileage allowance?

Not trying to be a dick, but I don't think this is that good. I pay £164 a month for my Fiesta ST-2, list price £19k. I know which I'd rather have.

Unlucky :disappointed: sorry to hear that. But your experience almost backs up why its better to get a deal like this than a 2nd hand car out of warranty (appreciate yours might have been new when you got it, but so many people say I'd rather spend £166 a month on 2nd hand BMW etc, but then they are forgetting with age comes expensive repairs etc etc)

Personally, I would go for this hotukdeals.com/dea…747

Much more car and better IMHO, for similar money.

Can you mention a few aspects where i30 was better than the bmw?

Says more about you than about cars. Why are you hanging around this thread then?

I have one of these and it's a really good car! Only thing I can criticise it for is the speakers need improving! It is really very economical and if your current car genuinely does 40 MPG then you'll save £150 easily on fuel over the 2 years as I get around 55 MPG. There's no Road Tax to pay or MOT fee. By the time you add up the savings on an older car it makes it an even better deal. As for test driving it first, obviously, who wouldn't?

Taking a cross section of professional review websites rating this car, it is not coming out as a three out of ten. Personal opinions rubbishing a product aren't really helpful when in actual fact most people would likely be satisfied. It would be more useful to reflect how the car rates in professional reviews and then state if you disagree.

I owned this car for 3 years, had to sell it due to changing country. It is very reliable, extremely comfortable, and I had a petrol but I know from friends who owned diesel, CRDI engine is really good. I own a BMW 1 series now, which I bought brand new, and honestly I can say i30 is as good, if not better in many aspects. If you don't have a brand obsession, I would say go for it.

I have had this car 2 months and really love it. Bought as used, 2 years old with 40000 on clock. MPG for my combined use is roughly 50 and my husband gets more like just over 40 when he drives.

Seems to be 80% people with issues, 10% news on upcoming models or updates and 10% praise. Like most car forums.

Check out what the rest of the world thinks, via my forum...


i30ownersclub.com

Fair play, honest criticism is what people would like to hear when they're making decisions worth thousands of pounds of their hard earned. I'd use the thumbs up emoticon but there isn't one! :smile:

I have been driving these as company hire cars for a while now, and you get 60 mpg average with mixed driving, which is not too bad, the start stop thing gets turned off when I remember X)

Had

Haha, he probably will :smile:

Quite exciting times though, in fairness, the other German (Peter Schreyer) has earned his wages since arriving.

Bottom line is you won't be able to run this car, brand new for 2 years at a lower cost than this deal. Gotta be hot for that, whether you'd drive this car or not.

You'd be surprised that some do order cars without a test drive, or at least an extended test drive - having a quick drive around the block doesn't give you a great feel for how you will feel about driving that car every day. Ideally you'll want a test drive that exceeds your commute.

A mate of mine ordered a Mazda MPS and was wowed by the acceleration on his brief test drive but it is a dog as a motorway miler, and he drives 17k miles a year.

All the EU6 compliant cars with start-stop do this, you can get closer to the official figures with petrols than diesels as they're much quicker to warm up. My Golf R will do 80% of the official combined figure with a 20 mile commute and a few heavy footed blasts. My GTD before it was more like 70% of the combined figure, but got much better on long motorway runs. Best done on the "67mpg" GTD was 59mpg maintaining 80mph and aircon on. Around the doors (<15 miles) it was more like 48-50mpg.

Your Profile (ChrisUK) picture looks angry or is that what you look like when you're driving?
How the hell can you compare such diverse cars as a Hyundai and a Jaguar.
And be so smug as to offer advice like "test drive before ordering".
What do you think all us low scummy drivers are, stupid or something! oO

You are normally looking to bash the German marques, yet seem proud you're getting a BMW high-flier. Presumably he's gone there to make Hyundai's less reliable. X)

The Koreans do need to add some serious bhp to their range topping efforts to appeal to a wider audience with their range. I'm sure he's had a bumper pay rise to go work there. I'm sure if someone was looking to double my wage (which in his case would've already been obscene) i'd be considering jumping ship too.

I will say though that no way will you get close to 75 mpg...mine was averaging about 52 on none motorway runs. The stop start is really poor on this car as well. Otherwise very difficult to fault.

Fantastic car. Just sold mine, and only sold it as I got the chance to get a c class. Great drive, really pokey, and very practical. A scorching deal at this price.

The residuals are genuinely terrible, I lost 40% of the value on mine in only 18 months (not from brand new) so the packers figures above actually ring true. A car is only worth what you can get for it. As such, as I lost 4 grand in 18 months on a second hand less than this for 2 years brand new is a no brainier!

There you go folks, one of the World's largest corporations (who could literally buy and sell JLR) have managed a 3/10 with their best effort.

They're that terrible, that the boss of BMW's 'M' division has recently left BMW to go and work there;

http://www.bmwblog.com/2014/12/22/bmw-m-vp-engineering-albert-biermann-goes-hyundai/

p.s. watch out Europe, they were already doing a pretty good job before this dude jumped on board.

Sound advice there - test drive any car you may wish to buy or lease, you could be stuck with it a long time. No single car will suit everyone.

It's not only about reliability, if you value power, refinement, comfort and decent residuals (ok, not so much residuals with a Jag as say an Audi) then you will be looking further afield than Hyundai's best.

Basic cars have less (especially electrics and electronics) to go wrong on them - doesn't make them particularly attractive to drive to the majority. Many reliability surveys are littered with very basic superminis towards the top of the table, even cars like the Vauxhall Agila and Citroen C2, from marques most would consider to have poor reliability.

£15,368 on drivethedeal and potentially even cheaper elsewhere. Selling privately would give a better deal. I'd say total loss over 2 years is closer to the £5k mark but that's still more than this deal.

I was in a Land Rover at the time, now got a Jaguar, not that it actually has any bearing on my post to be fair.

I'll leave it there as I'm obviously causing some unrest in this thread.

I'll leave with saying test drive before ordering.

I wasn't being funny, wouldn't normally comment but after seeing the posts, wanted to make sure people test drive this before ordering. I'd give it a 3/10.

I haven't got strong opinions on the deal either way so next axe to grind but can't help thinking that if you drive a recent Jag or Land Rover then you were always going to be disappointed with this. Probably not a terrible car-just a poor substitute for a luxury car. :smile:

Take care with the fuel savings - all new cars with stop start tech massively overstate mpg as the EU test cycle is very far removed from real life driving. Expect to get 70% of what is stated on the combined cycle on a journey shorter than 15 miles unless you drive like a nun. This "75mpg" car will likely see you getting 50-55mpg when not on a long run. Understating CO2 and overstating mpg compared to reality does get you a cheap tax disc though.

http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/carbycar/hyundai/i30-2012/

Fortunately, Honest John can see past the wood and leather on overpriced, terribly unreliable cars banged together by Brummies or Scousers - how utterly exotic :smile:

I'm sure there are multi franchise sites, I work at one, but the point I was making is, where you in Jaguar for service, or Land Rover.

Best cars you can get ???? Maybe so if limited to a £6k budget I suppose, but worth test driving if considering one, seriously these are bad......

Obviously you haven't......

http://hatfields.co.uk

Terrible as they wouldn't pull the skin off rice pudding, underpowered, terrible drive, uncomfortable, ugly, plastic.....

I'd save about £55 a month on fuel efficiency, £15 a month on tax, almost £5 a month on MOT cost (just the MOT itself, not whatever I may need to fix).

There you go, half the monthly cost of the car is paid for. No doubt we'll get the 'buy a banger' brigade commenting soon though.

Somewhere between £8.5k and £9.5k, most dealership groups aim to give you 85% of their would-be sticker price in p/x. Depends also where your examples are getting sold - the official dealership will always charge top dollar for a car and should (hopefully) give you a better p/x than you'll get at a car supermarket.

Still a lot of money proportionally to lose on buying new. £18.5k car bought for £17k and worth £9.5k - 49% of RRP lost or 44% of what you actually paid for it lost after just 2 years. Some cars won't even lose that at 3 years.

I'd rather lease for £4k than lose £7.5k if I were wanting one of these.

Sorry to hear, but that is almost 6 years old then...

Not sure what that's about, I just looked at the standard Parkers page;

parkers.co.uk/car…103

They are amongst the best cars you can get, with styling better than most on the road. Reliability is better than most. I really can't take that 'story' seriously.

Terrible because you can't see lots of leather and wood? I expect your Jaguar or Land Rover (they don't share dealerships - have you ever been to one?) was probably in for more than a service.

That wouldn't be an issue with this deal! :wink:

Terrible cars. Got one once as a courtesy car from Jaguar Land Rover, took it back after 20 mins & swapped it for a half decent car whilst mine was being serviced.

Yes 10 litres actually

Just going off the figures from here: http://parkers.car-costs.co.uk/

Couldn't find figures on WhatCar.

There are a few 64 plate cars on Auto Trader with between 10k-15k miles on the clock selling at £11.5kish. So surely they would have been part exchanged for about £9k? Thus valuing a 2 year old i30 with 20k miles at about £8k?

Love my i20, but earlier this month I had to get the heater matrix replaced which only the dealer could fix as it required the dashboard to be removed. That, new front brakes and replace cracked steering column set me back £1800! Eight months out of their 5 year warranty, 50k miles :disappointed:

Someone certainly does NOT approve of this deal.

and a driver?

That price is amazing! Oh, does it not come with diesel? :disappointed:

Haha

Great deal, and heat added (decent motor for once, Ha!).

But seriously, you are being a bit harsh on Hyundai residuals there Karlie. Car has a list price of £18,495, but the current official offer is £16,995.

Parkers then lists the car at £9,810 'part exchange' at 24m/30,000m, so of course 20,000m should be a bit better again.

Still a top deal, a C segment car at this price is awesome.

very nice. heat.

Good price & spec, better than those crappy corsa & fiesta deals that seem to get posted all the time

Seems a fair price, no maintenance and tyres included for that price?

Reasonable for £166 a month - that doesn't get you a lot of new car going through the PCP route these days.

Another deal that looks far better as a leaser than a new car purchase - shocking depreciation figures you quote via Parkers there, just goes to show how cheap fleet get cars compared to the private punter.