It is possible to run pirate versions, easy enough to obtain on-line, but like my Brethren here who pay, if I can afford to buy the OS I will & have done so for about 10 years now, it is partially to be legally registered, and partially out of not wanting potential hassle if I need support when problems occur, and also I consider the argument of showing 'respect' to the creator(s) of a sophisticated & useful product, more important as I age. Where as, years ago I felt "all edgy & with it" whilst "sticking it to the man"... but the truth is, Microsoft has created a software platform that many of us utilise for work & one that offers expansive & evolving opportunities to explore the most sophisticated games on the current market. So all in all, you know, respect ;-)

Aaarrgh!

It's ok millions do, only so they can subsidise self serving idiots.

Pretty decent, can build it yourself and save some money though. http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/p/mkWRRB

They've offered to diagnose the problem however since taking them up on their offer they have gone very quiet.

Has anybody had any dealings with them at all?

I did mention that I change parts in servers (which hundreds or even thousands of users connect to) however because I had done too much I've invalidated the warranty, no compromise at all, but you could argue the other way. Never mind, these company work off such small profit margins they have to be stricter on their polices.

Only use the bare amount of hardware to found out which part is faulty. Fierce PC could have been a bit more help.

Upon further investigation it appears that the display crashes and resets. I've now tried this on Windows 7, 10 and Linux Mint! Appears to be a hardware fault, however it appears that when I added two hard disks to the PC I invalidated the warranty.

I think it might be related to your powersaving settings rather than mechanical malfunction....

Hi guys, this is a real longshot, but has anyone had any problems with this PC at all? Basically it appears to be powering off at random times, particularly when the screensaver comes on...nothing to do with the screensaver. It's had a rebuild and parts have been reseated, no luck I'm afraid.

I am looking at buying this for playing current games on medium settings, If I wanted to spend about £320 (including delivery for parts) what could I get by building it myself? Could I end up with a better system?

I'm looking for a cheap PC to do basic tasks and play non current and non graphic intensive (Civ 5) games. I have read the thread and people were very concerned about non branded PSU's etc. - So I wondered what people thought of this one
http://www.freshtechsolutions.co.uk/amd-6600k-4-2ghz-1tb-8gb-1600mhz-hd-graphics-core-computer-gaming-pc.html
I have a retail copy of Windows 7 to install.

too true

Very good deal - built a similar pc recently for a similar price. Runs great.

No you are right, i built mine about 4+ years ago with a 2500k , so easy to overclock and runs steady without a sweat. I play 75fps ( limited it using cfg) using a hd7950 on 1080 and thats perfectly adequate. The only upgrade I have done is added a ssd about 18 months ago and its a brilliant pc still. One of the best cpu made in my opinion and can't really see the need to upgrade yet.

I have to admit Id always go for intel over amd every day of the week
Also downloading the OS software isnt illegal but using it maybe a breach of microsofts t&c.
And it's not microsoft giving away money, thats the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, to give credit where its due.
Let he who is without sin, cast the first tweet.

This thread is better than the telly.

Thanks but was going to keep the integrated grraphics , thanks for help

I wouldn't bother. It has a 240w power supply so you can't really put a graphics card in there. Build your own.

General performance compared to posted dealtaking into account prices, some games - comes with integrated Intel graphics I am guessing, does have Windows OS included. Lenovo were also doing £75 cashback on these last month.

For gaming?

Anyone got any advice on choosing an i5-4430s or i5-4460s PC over this one eg
Comes with windows

How easy would it be to upgrade a pre built PC like this? Say by putting in an SSD and better graphics card? And would it be worth just adding those two things?

Replace the noisy bits?

My only concern with this pc is noise... I am would ideally like something almost completely silent.
How noisy is it (difficult question to answer since it's all relative!)

I've built a couple of systems with a £20 case and psu, had no problems so far.

you are incorrect. Microsoft announced Windows 10 will be free as an upgrade to Windows 7/8/8.1 customers.

if you're spending £20 on a case and PSU then get ready for noise, low efficency and potentially killing your entire system.

Where on earth are you getting your information?

There are many console games already running at 1080p 60fps. As time goes on the developers will learn to optimise their engines for the fixed hardware of the Xbox One and PS4, meaning better graphics and performance, not poorer. You won't need to upgrade the console because most games will be developed for consoles, as it's the larger market by a considerable margin.

This PC on the other hand, no one is developing games tailored to it's hardware. It may get by today on brute force alone, but as time goes on the performance/graphics will not scale well. It will not keep up with the consoles without costly upgrades.

So people just need to decide how best to spend their money. If money is no object then a good gaming PC does everything a console does but better, bar the lack of their respective exclusives. This PC however is the lower end of the scale and will require upgrading down the line to keep up.

Source: I'm a software engineer, PC gamer and Xbox gamer.

Build your own. Start with how much you want to spend on a CPU then build it from there. If you want to spend around £400 here's an example with a £80 cpu and £110 gpu.

AMD FX 6300 3.5 ghz £80
Gigabyte 970A-DS3P AM3+ motherboard £55
8 GB DDR3 1600mhz Ram £60
2 GB DDR5 Nvidia 750 Ti £110
1 TB SATA3 Harddrive £40
128 GB 2.5" SSD £45
Case + 500W PSU £20

£410

You can make it cheaper if you want, use 4 GB ram instead of 8 GB, Total = £380. Will still play games on medium / high settings.

Will play all the new games at medium / high settings. Takes half an hour to assemble. Gives you an SSD drive to install windows to and a few games with a 1 TB drive for all other files. If you have a bit more to spend, spend it on upgrading the graphics card. I prefer nvidia personally, generally quieter, less power hungry and run cooler. Intel gives better high end performance, AMD is better value. For a budget PC I'd always go for AMD and spend the money you save on a better graphics card.

dont get xbox, only pc. 400 pounds enough for pc with better specs than xbox. Also is cheaper PC games than console games.

I have a question, if anyone has the time/patience to reply to a complete noob like me?

Basically, I have a 4 year old Dell laptop (i5-2410M 2.3GHz; nVidia 525M 1Gb RAM), and I'm more of a casual gamer - I play mainly stuff like Skyrim, Fallout etc, and they work well enough, though the laptop does get rather hot while playing. So mostly Bethesda stuff, and I'm never bothered by super high graphics or getting the latest releases, which is why I've stuck with this for so long.

I was going to get an Xbox One, but now I'm thinking I want a (fairly simple) desktop PC I can use for betting gaming, and without melting my laptop :wink: Trouble is, I'm not very knowledgeable on this stuff. Would a kit like this be fine for my needs, does anyone reckon? How easy is it to upgrade if needs be? Is there any benefit to Intel/Nvidia over AMD? And finally, how would you go about turning it in to a PC you could use (i.e. with wifi, OS, optical drive, maybe an SSD too)? Would it be too much work?

If I'm going to be spending £400+ overall, would it be wiser to get a better/more complete system overall? What options are there?

Thanks in advance, if anyone can lend me a hand :smiley:

Actually this information is incorrect. You will not be able to get Windows 10 for free just because you purchased Windows 7 or 8.1. You will be able to upgrade from Windows 8.1 but you will still have to pay for the Windows 10 licence key. Also, you will not be able to upgrade to Windows 10 from Windows 7. It would have to be a fresh install.

Not really, a PC is called a 'gaming' PC because of the graphics card, you don't need a dedicated GPU for office work / internet browsing.

Remove the GPU from this and save £85. You could then spend extra money on a faster CPU. But you'd need to change the CPU anyway for one which has inbuilt graphics.

AMD A10 7850K 4.0 ghz quad core, £50 more than the CPU inside this PC. So it's still cheaper, and will be better for you.

What is the difference between a Gaming and a normal PC ?

I think it is that the performance is better, so would it follow that if I bought this machine in comparison to a similar priced normal one I would have a far better performing PC for my usual stuff which is office work, internet browsing etc ??

still happy with my current set-up , only use a 1080p tv and game to much it these days ( ps4 for that ) :-

AMD Phenom II X4 965BE, samsung 840 250gb
Asus M5A97 LE R2.0, Corsair CX600M psu
Kingston HyperX Genesis DDR3 1600MHz CL9 8GB
MSI 270x 4GB, Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO

Good point it's actually the lower model so about £20 cheaper than I thought. So both my links were not great as none actually covers the 2gb card. Will edit the post later.

In your list GTX 750 is with 1GB GDDR5 memory.

The machine doesn't have a TI model card in that most of you keep suggesting it has . Its just a bog standard GTX 750 2gb not the TI Model so no where near as fast or power hungry and doesn't require the wattage however the psu will be under strain once the pc is 100% under load as the one used is badged 500 watts but probably only outputs around 300W

Basic gaming rig with an i7? I wonder what it would have if it was a proper one! :stuck_out_tongue:

Consoles will most likely always be 30 fps. The hardware in them is pretty poor compared to an average gaming PC. This PC will be fine for years, you'll just have to reduce settings in newer games, but there's always the option of upgrading certain parts. Not sure how you'll upgrade a console. Console game developers just need to realise that gameplay is more important than graphics, the first thing to do is make sure a game runs at around 60 fps, then adjust the graphics to suite the hardware. Yes that will mean games can only be 720p, but so be it. It's still 'Next Gen' in terms of consoles, just because they are 5+ years behind PC hardware doesn't change that.

Link to Graphics card for details Nvida GTX750 Ti on Toms Hardware

'The GTX 750 Ti doesn't earn a full recommendation for value, but it just may be the best option for gamers upgrading old or small form factor systems.'

Actually their enthusiasts chip Radeon R9 280 is actually cheaper than the GTX750 TI.

The question is could this machine really handle a graphics card needing 300-500w. Also the high end Graphics have TDP of 200 compared to 60 or so. Which makes me think this system is best left with it's current graphics.

Anand GTX750 TI review. (11 month old review.)

The point is if you are happy with a mcahine that will allow you to game without top end results this machine will probably do. I don't see this machine replacing any Intel chips out in last 3 years. I actually think the old Core 2 duo chips still do non gaming stuff well. A good PC now should last 6-7+ years. That is why I always look to upgrade at the higher level knowing the technology will remain more relevant in 2-3 years time.

^ another saddo who cares about pwixels than actual games.

Maybe not now when they're mostly last gen quality, as time goes on this PC simply won't keep up, "lol".

I think it is a slightly worse graphics card actually - however nice build!

I understand the benefit of knowing the components better so still debatable which is better.

Here you go mate: http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/p/yxWxNG

This has all the specs equal (and some better) to the ebay pc and a better graphics card. Also shipping is free from all those retailers.
Hope this helps! and all £6 cheaper for better components!

John Terry

Yes thats true but things like RAM included, MOBO, PSU the ebay one provides aren't top spec.
2gb GPU they provide is it DDR3 or GDDR5 ? a 1gb GDDR5 > 2gb ddr3

I think its a good PC don't get me wrong, but more can be had by doing it yourself as you'll probably be able to source better parts for around the same price I believe.

Hope thats helps?

You are getting a better CPU, 1866 8gb Ram running dual channel which helps with performance (Fierce PC dont mention what frequency by I assume 1600 max), a better PSU, better MOBO (the one above doesn't support SATA 3) and the satisfaction of knowing what exactly is going into your machine.

Regarding the graphics card in my build - I've already mentioned could be swapped for something much better and the gtx750 is deffinately better then the R7 250 but for me is sufficient for my needs.

Overall the fierce pc isnt bad, but I would do it myself. Thats just my opinnion :smiley:

I don't. I get it for free from Microsoft Dreamspark through my uni :smile:

I do not know about video editing if I am honest.

But still yet to see a new self build on this thread that beats the ebay one for gaming. (The ones that have tried to replicate do not seem to have included all postage costs or a 2gb graphics card.) OK maybe a self build with used parts may be able to beat this but I could also imagine a used full unit would be even better still!

AMD don't produced the fastest chips but they do produce the best technology. thats AMD64 your running in that old piece of intel silicone i would think.

Ultimately i find that the cheaper AMD chips allow you to purchase a bigger graphics card which makes more difference nowadays as CPUs basically idle even with modern AAA games.

Bare in mind I'm a complete noob when it comes to PC stuff, why is this version you've built better?

I've been considering this deal in the OP as a decent gaming machine at a good price but a quick video card comparison between the one in yours and the one in the OP suggest that the OP's one is better

Waiting!

Am l missing something? That 2500k is the BOMB! It overclock like no man business (unless u got amd motherboard)

Every now and again can`t be ask to say something, But, it`s a joy to read the post thank You! Bill Microsoft is a hero (shoot me now) and IF THE OP drops by Manchester (you got a place to stay)

Seems ok but I agree with a lot of comments saying you should build one yourself. For around the same budget, I have literally just bought all the components for a Rendering machine with future upgradability options:

http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/p/QrvPcf

The only thing I would probably upgdrade on my build is the Video Card IF you want to do Intensive gaming.
Im ok with the R7 250 for the price I paid and the fact that this setup will be for Editing/Rendering purposes only.

yes its cheap but its nothing special

case and PSU are valued at sub £15ex vat from bosse no where near a fractal design case as mentioned in pcparts picker guide, the PSU is that of a sub £8 made in china and not 80plus and will 100% not last the warranty period without the need for it to be replaced ,. So think before you buy do you really want to be sending this back and forth in transit at a cost of £30 a time due to cheap parts or do you purchase slightly more expensive parts in the beginning and save more in the long run

you need to look at the spec you chose in the pc parts picker ,

The pc advertised is with a cheaper china case not a fractal design branded case also the psu in the advertised model is far from that of a 80plus and is only worth sub £10 . You also selected a gtx ti model instead of a basic 750 so in all your out over £80 and more by selecting better items than the pc has installed in it

Better than PS4 and Xbox One performance, for similar price.... super hot for noobs afraid to self build. :man:

Ahh, OK, thanks guys! I paid around £700 - £800 for my setup only a few years ago, so I did wonder...

I Wish desktop deals like this popped up more often. Always find the threads really interesting. (not including the windows debate before...) The deals are always few and far between.

Downgrade. :smiley:

Downgrade really. Not worth upgrading if you have a Sandybridge CPU. Your chip was 2011 produced this chip was released in 2012. Why upgrade after 2 years? Save your money. Remember AMD is 2 or so years behind Intel cpu wise.

Comparison. It rates your chip as better.

I need one for Photo + video editing. Might use Adobe aftereffects. Will this be any good please.

My current setup is an i5 2500k, 560Ti, 8GB RAM. Is this a decent upgrade?

You need to improve your skimming technique.... Motherboard is a Gigabyte F2A55M-HD2, Socket FM2
Admittedly it is not mentioned on the OP's description.. but it is mentioned in parts of the discussion thread..(there is quite a lot of it !) It is listed if you go to the Ebay link itself.

It will play but with not much headroom imo once you get into heavy populated servers. Only thing I would say is to keep an eye on the development because as the game is in alpha the system specs could potentially change at any time when they add more items, detail etc.

Last thing you want is a spec change and you cant play.

Any good for Dayz?

My only concern is when skimming through the page is there is no mention of motherboard model, coming from experience a mismatch in AMD boards with AMD processors can cause bottlenecks, had this issue with a FX8350 on a 760 chipset then again the athlons probably work on everything

Pretty decent, can build it yourself and save some money though. http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/p/mkWRRB

Any idea how this would run CS:GO?

firecracker power supply from china that will not last more than 4 months before it pops and no optical dvdrw not the best for beginners who don't know how to install windows for sure - much better specs based around intel setups can be had for only a few pennies more if you look in the right places

Considering consoles are mostly limited to 30fps, it's not hard to make a gaming PC to run better lol.

Doubt it. You may be able to run games at similar settings and FPS on this but that depends on the quality of the port. As time goes on the consoles will keep pace due to optimisation and this PC will lag behind. Plus as others have said you could most likely build the same rig (or better) yourself for less.

Seriously, who pirates stuff in this day and age! Pay the software devs! Ubuntu (Free OS) + Steam + decent hardware = a good gaming machine that's easy to setup. . If you can't figure that out then you'll probably struggle to install windows at which point this product isn't for you.

If you find that the games you want aren't built for linux / Steamplay then thats another case.

I think you can buy windows 7/8 now for cheap, and when windows 10 comes out you will get it as a free upgrade! =D

>> Very few people have any valid reason to use a 32 bit OS on any reasonably recent PC these days

gameport, ladies. gameport. you just haven't lived...

Is it straight forward to install windows operating system? I've always had it already installed.

thanks for this

Hi, tech genius, I have roughly 500 pounds budget, and I already get a cherry keyboard and acer LCD screen so I only need the PC, not keyboard, mouse or screen. I will need it for occasional gaming (like heroes of storm, dota2, or elder scroll), can anyone suggest a build and how I can buy them? Greatly appreciated!

Cheers for that.

Very few people have any valid reason to use a 32 bit OS on any reasonably recent PC these days (basically, unless you have a 32-bit CPU or need to natively run ancient 16 bit apps)

Not wanting to get drawn into the piracy debate what version of windows 7 should I buy? 32 bit or 64 bit? There was a deal on here a week or so ago that was linkied to some Dell discs for Win 7. Their ebay site still sells discs and I was going to get one of those to run on this. I presume 64 bit would be ok?

HI
Could someone recommend a good site/forum for building your own PC.
I'm looking to build a media server/games machine and there seem to be some knowledgeable people here

Do google searching comparing Q6600 to AMD chip. Also budget Intel chip to AMD chip. Not sure the AMD chip is hugely better than it. Pends on application I guess. Intel chip should offer good value compared to the AMD chip. Upgrade options to i7 in 2-3 years. (AMD chip has no great upgrade options.)

Main downside to Intel chip is fact it is only dual core which will limit it in some games. H81M motherboard is limited to 16GB of ram. Again this limits upgrades later. Although the Intel budget chip offers great value for this price point. 40-50 quid is cheap.

Ram is also limited to 1333mhz with Intel chip vs 1600mhz on a i3/i5/i7 and AMD chip too.

G3258 review

Another comparison of the 2 chips.

Also worth considering running cost. AMD chips can use twice as much power compared to Intel chip.Personally I would get at least a quad core chip if you plan gaming so you can use 4 thread instructions. Broadwell chips when released should be 1150 pin compatible and offer some performance gain. I have a Core 2 duo and the new I5 chip is meant to be 100% faster than my old chip.

When I do upgrade I will get at least an i5 quad core as that for me offers best upgrade to what I have.

Software is one of, if not thee fastest/most depreciating asset you can own.

E.g - Windows 7/8 - you buy it. Once activated it has zero resale value. Its why i am so reluctant to buy any software unless i know it will have future value (e.g not bound by any activation clauses).

3 points from your post that should be clarified:

1) I would build a PC anytime over doing one hour of overtime. I never have fun doing overtime.

2) Why do you say that warranty over the whole system is better than warranty over the individual parts? Surely the opposite is true: if I end up with a defective RAM stick, I can just return it and keep using the machine rather than having to ship the whole thing back to the reseller.

3) For a PC in this range, swapping the CPU would be a huge waste of money. Since it's for "gaming", it might be worth swapping the GPU instead, the CPU would give you minimal improvements in gaming (even less in this price range).

He chose an AMD for his build.

And please, explain why you think Intel stock coolers are garbage since it looks like you are a real expert. I mean, since you look so confident and such.

For anybody else reading this post, forget about what this guy is saying, you don't need to throw away money on a non-stock cooler if you don't plan on overclocking. Period.

HotUKMorality.com...

Came in here to see if the computer was any good (for me ma'), found a load of squabbling about what is and isn't theft and how all downloaders and software pirates should be hung,drawn and quartered because if they steal an operating system, they'll obviously go on to become a deviant serial criminal and start doing arsons and muggings and all that jazz.

A quick suggestion; if you do pirate software and see no evil in it, by all means continue to do so, but stop flaunting it like a badge of honour. If you don't, stop acting like you'll be sainted upon your death - you won't.

And the world keeps turning. Let it go, people...

I would be a little concerned that the PSU is only rated at 500w... The actual spec of the PSU maybe lower if they are using an RMS value. As much as 20% lower giving you a 400W PSU that will cause the PC to crash when playing at higher resolutions or frame rates. Investing in a better PSU can save a lot of frustration later.

Cold, it doesn't fetch me a beer when asked.

hott really, good spec

Looking to upgrade my Q6600 on a budget of £150
just for gaming and video streaming
already got GTX 650Ti GFX , 500w Bronze plus PSU , coolermaster case

would you go for

AMD Athlon X4 750K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor
MSI A78M-E35 Micro ATX FM2+ Motherboard
Kingston 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory
= £147.22 delivered from amazon

Asus Intel PDC Anniversary Bundle (Includes H81M-PLUS, Intel PDC G3258 & 8GB Vengeance Memory)
Link
@£160 delivered from Dabs

or even this
Asus H81-M Plus, Intel G3258, Thermaltake OC Bundle @ 104.34 delivered
Link
Plus 8gb mem at 51.44
=£155.78

Yes, you have to have win 7 or 8 to be eligible for free upgrade to 10 (and do it in first year)

PM me as to how you know for a fact I've broken laws. Otherwise I will sue you.

People record off the tele or radio and have done for decades. Copying software or digital music/film is just the new version of that. People take such a moral high ground sometimes, but I would argue being judgemental to the point of labelling everyone a criminal. You people are worse! :smiley:

I must admit, this thread highlights one of the things that is wrong in this country.

Apparently, it's perfectly OK to "steal" a copy of Windows, yet the same people are the first to whinge at benefits fraudsters or errant bankers or crooked politicians!

Theft is theft, regardless of who does it or what it is that you are stealing.

Anyone thinking it's OK to steal code and trying to justify it, just take a long, hard look at yourself, yeah?

Stock Intel coolers are usually pretty good.

With regards thermal compound, it has much less effect overall than you may think. People have even successfully used things like peanut butter, etc.

Note to all. Even if you have read a few reviews. You're not an expert. Stop giving out half assed advice.

used win 7 64 bit off a laptop , on two other machines in the house,
case supports 1 number usb3 port however ,, motherboard does not !
no mention of psu quality I use high end modular seasonics
you can pick one up for about £80 starting price
love gigabyte boards however the one fitted is sata2
not a bad rig for some one who cannot be bothered to plug together a few components
heat added ..........x

Windows 10 is a free upgrade if you own Windows 7. Hot

Cheap value for performance parts. They lower their costs by avoiding all the issues of installing windows. There is no optical drive here so that needs some thought. Always use one from your old pc opical drives? No KB or mouse either.

Essentially charging £11 or so to fit the parts compared to cost of parts. Maybe making money on parts too.

Reason for low order numbers is probably issue of installing windows. The average consumer prefer to buy a computer that you switch on and it fires up. Windows can take hours to install correctly and get all the drivers working properly. (Discs don't always carry the latest drivers.) Not to mention updating Windows with all the patches. To do it perfectly can take several hours.

Oh they provide driver discs and manuals. Does the box have a space for an opical drive or are you forced to use external drive? You can always download these anyway I guess. The main issue is installing windows without a drive. You can always attach a drive and leave case open while it installs.

Obvious how exactly?
Microsoft haven't announced its release date, could easily be the third or fourth quarter this year.

stock intel cooler are garbage. if you must by this pc then change that immediately. then again you may as well build a pc yourself

Dur, what is in the title!!!!!

he sounds more fun than a self-righteous pr***

Hi guys. really keen on this deal but wondered if you might be able to advise me
I have an older HP Pavillion Phenom. http://support.hp.com/gb-en/product/HP-Pavilion-a6000-Desktop-PC-series/3677047/model/3710786/product-info

I have upgraded the gfx card to an 8800GT and I also installed a 500w PSU, but i am looking to upgrade my gfx card again but was advised that the motherboard and processor will throttle benefits any new card might supply.

I am thereby considering either buying a whole new rig as option one - but im pretty broke.
Option two would be ripping the PSU and old HDD out and installing into a new self built rig. I am concerned about this as i've never built a pc from scratch before and wonder if the cost would outweight just, for example, buying this machine.

Finally I have a third option which would be replacing the motherboard and CPU and buying new RAM to boot. I am most interested in this option but have concerns over the heatsink and the casing. Would my Pavillion's case sufficiently support a new motherboard and CPU's requirements - both in size and heat?

Many thanks for any advice y'all!

You couldn't be more wrong, it's copyright infringement, the copyright holder would have to take a civil case against you.

1/ depends what you want to be compatible with I suppose
2/ That Windows licence is nice and legitimate then is it...?

Correct, I'm pretty sure I read that you need one of the latest versions for the free upgrade which is available for a year.

I have a similar set up that I built last year, r9 270 card, athlon 760k processor, 8gb of ram. I get around, 50fps on highest settings on most games. Go for it definitely a good deal. I personally wouldn't go Linux to avoid compatibility issues. Go windows if your budget allows. I got a key from eBay for only £15,seems to work fine

Agreed. I've got legit Windows licenses from my Uni's MSDN account for free but if i didn't id still be running a cracked version :smiley:

INteresting this has reached over 1000 degrees of heat, but only 7 have been sold.

Good fun :-)

Don't make me take out a restraining order.

That's obviously different to a degree but the people in this thread aren't doing that.

You are undermining an ongoing case.

If you buy a brand new computer all components have got to be brand new. Otherwise it is a fraud ...
I only buy PC from a well known PC makers such as HP, Dell, Hitachi ....

Click on it then press add to basket

Hi Villa lol.

And you know for a fact that the parts in it were brand new and grade A, right? Because CPU-Z tells you that?

Don't even try it. It really isn't worth it.

Cold, not a mac.

The word SUPERFAST is misleading ....

CPU Pass Mark for this PC is 4305
Compare it to i7 4th generation: 13,105

Since there is no "add to basket" button available for that one (but there is for the more expensive ones) I take it it is out of stock? I have never really used amazon for anything other than books really...

I managed to entrap a fair few people with that thread.
North London.... like I'd even go near the place.

Well everyone has his own opinion. But to me it is not worthy given the very narrow margin in term in money compared to time spent of building it. Add also the time to get all of the components ...

I bought my PC and I know in detail what component s are in my PC without the need to open it.
CPU-Z is doing it all for me ....

I upgrade my PC by myself such as adding RAM, SSD, etc ....

Fully agree with you. The no name 500w psu isn't great either.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/7764/the-nvidia-geforce-gtx-750-ti-and-gtx-750-review-maxwell/12

Above is a link to a benchmark of the 750 and 750ti. The card can't maintain 30 fps in many titles and they are using a significantly stronger cpu to test with.

When you build your own machine then you know exactly what goes into it and how good a job has been made of putting it together. When someone else builds it then you don't unless you're stood over that person throughout the entire process.

Obviously: Windows 10 will be launched by then

Sorry but it in no way is going to play the latest games.

thats when 64 player battlefield becomes a problem =<

I can't actually believe this is so hot. its not a terrible deal but it isn't great either, no OS, pants processor, poor motherboard no mention of what the hdd is... Personally id suggest if this is your budget buy a cheap Zoostorm with a intel i3 and bung a graphics card in when you can afford too.

Is this computer good enough for HD 1080p video editing?

No need to buy Windows if it's just for gaming, install STEAM OS.

Windows 10 Technical Preview will expire on April 15 2015. Not sure if the "consumer preview" will expire on the same date.

Absolute rip off. Gaming? Hahaha. This is worth no more than £170 max. Enjoy your unbranded HDD, PSU and RAM. Garbage. All these budget ebay setups belong in the bin - as always, you pay for what you get. This is cheap for good reason.

Just signed-in to LOL at the fact that since Villa was discovered to be a dirty, rotten, console-modding ****, he's become suspiciously quiet.

Villa, the vast majority does not care about your hypocritical 'holier than thou' attitude. Please take note.

Yes, the stock cooler is always fine if you run the CPU at stock speeds. If you overclock, then you need a better cooler, but if you don't, save some money :smiley:

Also, the stock cooler already comes with pre-applied thermal paste, so you can save a few quid more :P

amd = no thanks.

That's the thing I have modded an xbox in the past, it's not saying that it's inherently wrong to do so but it's just easy to forget your own slightly dubious exploits while berating someone else's. Glass houses and all that.

decent pc probably cheaped out on the psu, hdd and ram hence its unbranded. Bang for buck ratio is good though!

True, but the chances that he wanted to execute the king kong shader hack 5 1/2 years ago is all of about slim to none. IIRC the JTAG hack wasn't public either at the time.

Either way, I have no problem with either hack. It's just a silly place to debate the ethics of piracy- let the buyer take into account the cost of buying Windows or not.

And there's the other risk. When you download a cracked image you have absolutely no idea what someone has done to it. I would be surprised if many of the ones available on torrent groups have contained keyloggers and such in the past.

In the early days of 360 hacking I think the firmware modification was still required since it used a custom build of the King Kong game that you obviously had to burn yourself and a non-modified console couldn't run it. As long as you legitimately owned both King Kong and the console though then there wasn't anything actually illegal attached to doing that.

Yep I agree if its reasonably priced I'll pay for the support/features
I found the MSDN route a decent inbetween not 100% legal, but you end up with a much securer OS then a random cracked image until you can save for a real key.

I think I paid £45 for my copy of W7 on a prelaunch promo and it was well worth it.

Yeah, also the type of mod he was requesting has very few uses outside of playing 'backups'. It does not allow the execution of unsigned code which imo is a perfectly legitimate reason to mod a closed system.

The guy can get right off his high horse. This thread is about a PC, not the underlying ethics of piracy.

If you're going to accuse people of things then you should be able to back them up.

That thread of Villa's is fairly obvious but then again he created it 5 years ago and 5 years is a long time. You've admitted bootlegging Windows today so there's kind of a big difference.

ignorance is bliss my friend and i work in the nhs.....

at that price.. its prob the cheapest of the cheapest components used.

Say what you wish Spark, but Villa was acting like a 100% saint & then looking at his threads he requests for someone to Mod his xbox.Modding the Xbox to make toast or to play copied (piracy) games ?
No one on here is 100% legit Sparky, including yourself.

When Windows 8 launched, Microsoft offered upgrade licenses for next to nothing and those licenses could even be used by people who had pirated Windows 7. Unlike Apple, Microsoft receive very little from the sale of PC hardware and thus the rules that apply to OSX can't apply here however as long as they keep the price of Windows reasonable (i.e. under £40-50) then I see no possible justification for pirating it.

Pages and pages of Windows 10, and theft, piracy etc. ... it comes with no OS, yet the OS is the main topic of conversation here. All I want to know about is the specs on the machine and innards, Is it good, bad, are there better options, price etc.
Not the OS please! It's a personal choice that, like Android vs iOS. Both are good in their own way in the end, whether one chooses to pirate that, or an app on their phone, its their choice and most know the risks involved in doing that!

Yeah 'legitimate' reasons, sure. Playing 'backups'?

Again, the DMCA is an article of US federal law. It has absolutely no relevance outside of the United States and the last time I checked this wasn't a site that was owned by or targeted at Americans. The clue is in the name 'HUKD' after all.

That's the thing, it's easy to take the moral high ground but in actuality everyone skirts the law. It's not a massive thing bypassing DRM, but it's exactly the same arguments that apply to pirated software. The excuses to justify the decision apply to all

Anyone thinking of acquiring a copy of windows for free shouldn't be spending over £300 on a computer.
Its like buying a new car without tires, so instead of spending a little more on new ones you go into a scrapyard and finding free ones.
Yes they might look fine, but you don't know what c*** has happened to them. They could have a slow puncture or just blow up out of the blue.

If you ask around anyone with a MSDN account will have spare keys in which case they will sell them for a few quid to help cover the membership cost.
No cracked images, applications to bypass anything or lack of updates.
The only legal issue is with the seller breaching T&C's not the buyer.

1. That case is from the US. A different country with an entirely different set of laws to our own and also a country where money and big business have even more sway over the legal system than they do here. In Australia for example, it is perfectly legal to use modchips and that was also the case here until Sony greased enough palms in Whitehall to get the law changed a few years ago.

2. There are legitimate reasons why someone might want to do this, despite what the console manufacturers would have you believe. I strongly believe that people have the right to do whatever they like with a device that they have purchased. If someone wants to modify their system for the purposes of using backups of legitimately own products (which is legal), development or for accessing legitimate media then why should the law prevent them from doing so?

If you did have a point by posting that link then it was an entirely invalid one.

4305?? I pass

Ooooh Villa you bad person lol.

Have you ever seen someone commit an offence like have a drink & then use the car or seen someone urinate in a public place or even know of a friend finding money & not reporting it ? You know what I'm getting at & so if you've never committed anything that's regarded as illegal,then hat's off to you,but I would not believe you lol.

Not technically true as you will be adding an additional bandwidth strain on the Windows Update download servers etc.

Like others have said, if you don't want to pay for Windows then just use Linux. There is even a specialised Steam version these days that is designed with games in mind.

Coming from the same person that enquired about modding your xbox which would bypass DRM security and therefore is a violation of the Digital Millennium Copyright Act of 1998, which is illegal..

http://www.hotukdeals.com/misc/where-to-get-my-xbox-360-modded-351243
http://www.hotukdeals.com/misc/xbox-360-mod-837666

Do you see where sometimes it's o.k on one front for some but those cannot judge others...

Windows 10 is only a free upgrade from Windows 7 or 8.

Just download Linux, problem solved.

Not to my knowledge.

Villa, have you ever done anything illegal in your life ?

My point is that the person is still a ****, so taking the moral high ground probably isn't justified

Gread deal, have some heat. As for the Windows 7 discussion, the pirate thing has always annoyed me.
"You wouldn't steal a car, so don't steal films, don't be a pirate". I can't download a bloody car...
People pirate because it's easy. If cars had paper windows and a starter button for the ignition, car thefts would increase, simple as.

But for the snobs that like to be on their moral high horse, there is that £30 deal for Windows 7 kicking about on here.

Wasn't there a cheap Windows 7 os posted yesterday? For thirty quid? That'll do nicely with this.

It's like when I got my first car - I saved for so long to buy the actual car I couldn't afford insurance or petrol, so I didn't bother with insurance and just siphoned a bit of petrol here and there; but, hey, that's cool yes?[/quote]

did you take the petrol or did you copy the petrol? [/quote]

did you take the petrol or did you copy the petrol?

did you take the petrol or did you copy the petrol?

I find it amusing that some users are stating how people are taking money out of companies pockets etc on a forum dedicated to finding the lowest prices, glitches and deals. I wonder how many of the outraged few have, for example, told Tesco that a product is scanning at the incorrect price or have kept their mouths shut and just loaded their trolleys up like everyone else. Legal sure, but perhaps morally wrong?

Better steal some lube now before you inevitably end up in jail.

Agreed it's the legality sure that changes things. But you know that if something for pounds is scanning for pence then is that any different than paying nothing? The shop will shut down any offers chalking it up to a system error but enough are willing to rinse a company at a moments notice. As I said previously in this thread I do not have to pay personally for Microsoft products but it's just an observation on the hypocrisy of some lol

I actually think CD's were introduced in part to get us to re-buy our record collections. Oh dear! Didn't quite work out the way they wanted. I wonder in hindsight would they have stuck with vinyl after realising so many people can get their digital music relatively easily for free.

Get onto google, type in "LOL limewire" then click the I'm Feeling Lucky button.

Its a much bigger world than you realise then.

You're trying/pretending to ignore the obvious reason why people don't care and don't see it as theft. For 20 years the music companies extorted/ripped us off by forcing us to buy CD's at significantly more than they charged in the USA. Remember visiting NYC in the 90's and being shocked at the hugely cheaper price over there, for EXACTLY the same item. Sony also did the same with the PS2 admitting they could get away with it in "Rip-off Britain". Bill Gates pretty much had to resign because Microsoft were taken to court for trying to destroy Netscape and for anti-competitive practices. These companies behave like that and you expect people to listen to them or FAST preach the moral line and imprison kids for downloading Windows?

You obviously missed the point of piracy=theft, so let me explain to you again.........
Lot's of things in life are illegal & I know for a fact you've broken laws just like every person on HUKD's so please remove your silver spoon, grow a pair & admit it ? I'm all ears..............

Stop trying to change the subject. That's an entirely different argument altogether. You still can't justify re-defining theft to be whatever you think it should be. If you think it's wrong to steal from a shop it's equally wrong to steal software from a download.

I take it you went to a reasoning class in Borstal (sorry, young offenders institute.) I appreciate your 'illogical' logic but every other offence you've put there is not blatant theft and doing someone or some company out of money. Do you take the 'free beer tomorrow' sign in your local as true?

Not rumoured; confirmed. At least if you have windows 7 or 8.1 it's free. If you don't have a legal copy of one of those it'll cost you.

I think by "subsidize" you meant make Microsoft billions?

I never said it would be cheaper. Subsidising something doesn't always reflect in it's cost.
It could also have an impact on it's quality, the level of support offered, etc.

For anyone that thinks software piracy or using it without a valid licence is ok.
Please feel free to report yourself to http://www.fast.org.uk/ I'm sure they will clear it up for you.

We have 1000's of laws to follow,but we as humans decide (yes decide) what's genuinely a an illegal act & what's not.
I like millions of others don't see it as theft & it's sheep following if you just agree with everything the big cash earners push through the courts to make it an illegal act.Was not illegal 20 years ago from what i remember,but for some reason it is now.....I wonder why !!
How many times did you pee in the street or park ?
Have you ever walked your dog & not picked up it's poo ?
Have you ever gone over the speed limit in a car ?
Double parked or parked on a corner or double yellow line ?
Done a U-turn on a main road or street in a car ?
It's also illegal to view porn acts in the UK, but millions view it.

You can add 100's if not 1000's to the above,but it's down to how you feel about it & I don't think you or I have the right to tell others what to do, when you know the governing bodies are more corrupt than some working guy across the street downloading software for free.

I say practice what you preach to those who try to lead the sheep.

Adding to that - if you can't afford it then either don't use it or use something else that is free - there are plenty of OSs around...Ubuntu, Chrome OS, FreeBSD etc. If you have to have Windows (because it is light years better) then save up and buy it - as someone mentioned the £30 Win7 somewhere on HUKD is an absolute snip.
It's also worth mentioning that Microsoft pay all their taxes to the legal letter AND THE SPIRIT of the law. Every penny that gets spent with them in the UK contributes to the NHS, roads, benefits etc in this country. Apple pays virtually NOTHING, as does Amazon, Starbucks, Google and others who are just parasites on this country, stealing money from our NHS and other government entities, which means that we all end up having to pay more and we all suffer as a result. Microsoft also gives away billions to charities helping to eradicate diseases which kill and maim hundreds of thousands of people every year - malaria, polio etc - and to agricultural research to feed the poorer nations. In Europe they fund libraries and vaccine research. There are 'good' corporations and 'bad' ones and contrary to the seemingly popular opinion MS are actually one of the good guys.

Yes it was silly. It was already priced up, that is what the part picker website does... And the price was beaten, very useful for those that can build their own. There was no point picking holes in it and you could probably save even more if you tried.

You are wrong. Legally it's EXACTLY like stealing from a shop. The law regards both as theft. You don't get to re-define theft just because it's a download. Theft by download is not just "morally wrong"; it is a legal offense for which you can be taken to court.

Okay, so there's no shelf to re-fill, but you are still depriving the rightful owner of the money that is due to them. The store has ADDITIONAL costs in refilling the item, but that in itself is not the theft.

MPs behaving badly is not an excuse for stealing software. That has nothing to do with "getting priorities right". If the MPs are caught stealing then report them to the police. Their bad actions do not excuse yours. What MPs do has nothing to do with the argument at all. It's time YOU got YOUR priorities straight and stopped advocating theft.

So... this or xb1/ps4. specs quite similar?

On paper yes it will however console games are specifically fine tuned and optimised to meet the needs of one particular bespoke hardware set and development kit. Most PC ports these days are lazy and subject to poor QA standards that mean they can run badly on even high end systems.

no Optical Drive, no usb 3.0, cheap processor which will bottleneck better GPU

COLD

So......

almost a 1000 Degrees and only one buyer since posted? that doesn't make any sense...

Also, the seller has 1000s of desktops listed on their store, so many that are actually better value

hardly a gaming PC....

So you get to pick & choose what you define as theft?
Nice.

You will get a 2nd hand 280x for £100 which will smoke this. Taking a risk on the 2nd hand card all the same though.

Of course, but you can't do it without buying an extra card, there isn't a usb3 connector on the motherboard and it's debatable whether the usb3 front connector will stretch to the card.

Lol if you want low settings then get this

You do know that when you "nick" something, then it's been removed/taken & has to be replaced ?
When you download software & keep it without paying, then the software is still available for others to download by paying or not paying.
It's morally wrong to do it, but it's nothing like theft,so please behave yourself & remember the next time you vote for your favorite MP, you can watch him/her steal all your hard earned tax money.
Your good self like millions in this Country need to get their priority's right.

No it wasn't a silly comment. If you're "pretty sure" you can get a better deal from elsewhere , then price it up . Oh what bargains we have posted on HUKD if wishful thinking were instant magic!
Regardless of the merits or not of this PC's actual specs, most of us are not near Scan or Aria so can't collect. So they weren't comparing like with like since the original post would be available to anyone.

Silly comment. He was making a point and was correct. Pretty sure you can collect from scan or aria or find an alternative supplier at around same price.

In fact, use Flubit instead of amazon and save even more ;p

So if a kid can afford an Xbox but not the cost of the games it is okay for them to go and nick the game from a shop? After all the shop won't go bust if just a few people do it, right? Of course it's not right. Advocating theft of software just because you can't afford it doesn't make the theft right.

Think people are getting a bit carried away with this. Couldn't see any mention of what the power supply is. I wouldn't use a cheap one. The mobo has two memory slots. This would prove more expensive when upgrading. Everything else is pretty bog standard. The graphics card is plenty good enough for the average bod.

By that logic it's OK to rob a bank as they "won't run into any finance problems because a minority..."
Ridiculous

Just buy a cheap USB3 PCI Express card and connect to that. You can find one for under £10 at Amazon:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/express-controller-external-internal-interface/dp/B00NXTQBOY/

How can a usb3 port on the case be 'easily done', if the motherboard doesn't have usb3 connectors? Yes the connector can be connected to a usb2 connector but that won't make it work as usb3.
I've looked at the gigabyte motherboard manual and it only mentions usb2 connectors

Id ask whether chillblast could build it for the same money....5 year warranty with them. An excellent company and recommeded

how much can I sell my PC for?
heres the spec.
AMD FX-8350
http://www.ebuyer.com/409184-amd-fx-8350-4ghz-socket-am3-8mb-cache-retail-boxed-processor-fd8350frhkbox
Sabertooth 990fx motherboard
http://www.ebuyer.com/393530-asus-sabertooth-990fx-r2-0-socket-am3-8-channel-audio-atx-motherboard-sabertooth-990fx-r2-0
16gb ram (4 x 4gb Corsair 8GB DDR3 1600Mhz Vengeance Memory)
http://www.ebuyer.com/248846-corsair-8gb-ddr3-1600mhz-vengeance-memory-cmz8gx3m2a1600c9
480GB sandisk SSD
http://www.ebuyer.com/665519-sandisk-ultra-ii-480gb-2-5inch-sata-iii-ssd-sdssdhii-480g-g25
alienware case

Corsair TX650 PSu
Nvidia GTX-580 graphics card
retail windows 8.1 with disc & product key

For £380 I built the following:

i5 4460,
r9 290 tri x
8gb ram
600w modular corsair PSU
2*256gb crucial m4 SSDs
H97 pro motherboard
Old case I had lying round

EBay and Amazon used marketplace are your friends

Microsoft supply the software install file downloads for free, but not the install key (usually purchased but can be obtained in perfectly legal ways via other means).

The issue here isn't whether you pay for software, its that you need a legally valid license (in this case via a key) and use it within the terms of use. Freeware isn't paid for but still legit. By valid, it means you have adhered to the licensing criteria and obtained legally, usually paid for it but could be shareware, promo part of a subscription, corporate account etc.

If obtaining the license requires you to pay for it and you don't, then its no more valid than a printout / photocopy of your mates driving license is for you driving a vehicle. Just because you physically can drive a car, doesn't make it legal if you don't have a license or its not valid. If you use software outside of its legal / licensing agreement, you might aswell not bother legally buying the hardware either, just steal that too.

Ethics & morality aside, its all about legality, not necessarily paying money. Understandable that people do it because its possible though, but that doesn't make it legal.

The PSU will be a heavy letdown in this & should be replaced asap.

Would Photoshop and Premiere work well on this?
I need a laptop or pc to edit video and photos with.

My bad. Missed it on the picture. The fact that the motherboard doesn't have usb 3 ports, doesn't mean that the port on the case is not connected. It can be easily done. If you think about buying it , for your peace of mind you can contact the seller and get them to confirm.

Much better off building it yourself if you're looking to do it on a budget. Many aspects of this machine are likely to hamper upgradability in the future when you do have a bigger budget to play around with. The mobo is old, power supply could need replacing if you upgrade the graphics card further down the line, no word on what RAM is in there (could be super slow cheap tat for all we know), no word on Hard Drive speed either (again could be incredibly slow for all we know).

Building it yourself, whilst takes some effort, will allow you to know exactly what you're putting into your machine so you can allow yourself room for improvements further down the line.

Software pirates are scum of the earth. For goodness sake pay for your OS don't use Windows 7 activator or KSAuto!

Hang your heads in shame!

Will this play Pyjamarama?

Without an operating system, I too would be tempted to build my own. You get the full warranty on the components that you choose, assuming some of them come with over a year's warranty, whereas with a build like this it usually comes fitted with OEM (non retail box) components with only a year's warranty. Build your own and you get to choose a semi decent branded power supply (quiet-ish, stable, hopefully semi-reliable; I haven't read all the comments but I am not sure the vendor lists what brand and model number the PSU is) and if you up the budget by £20 or so select a better graphics card from the get go, like a GTX 750 TI. If you don't want to spend money on a Windows licence, you could install Linux and Steam.

Remember the code of conduct please!

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Hot.

No OS :smiley:

It's only free to upgrade from Windows 7, 8 or 8.1.

Seems like a decent PC. Shame about the lack of usb3.0 . How would this compare in terms of gaming with the similarly priced pcs with amd apu available on ebay ? Like this one for example: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Sphere-PC-AMD-A10-7850k-3-7GHz-Quad-Core-8GB-RAM-1TB-R7-Graphics-Gaming-Computer-/191334258897?pt=UK_Computing_DesktopPCs&hash=item2c8c6918d1

I do not pay for Windows, I get it through our MSDN subscription. No payment for me at home, but fully legal. Same with all MS products such as Visual Studio, Sql server, Office etc etc O.k I am a developer so my work picks up the bill of about £6k - £10k, but that's by the by :smiley:

why buy anything when you can steal eh?

Yeah, but will it run Crysis 3 on Uber?

If you can't build it yourself with all the help and videos on the internet then you probably won't be able to install Windows yourself any way.

Besides, it's so easy, Lego is harder and children can do that.

Also with a pre-built PC, if it goes wrong you'll have to pay postage to send the WHOLE THING back. What an expensive nightmare that'll be.

personally don't think this deal is too great.

Stopped reading at "AMD Athlon". What you'll save on initial purchase you'll pay for in the longer term with overheating and early component failure.

dont think it will, the processor is seriously outdated and very weak.

Seems ok, it will play games on low settings. The CPU is weak and could be a problem with future games and limit current games

Windows 10 users?

Thanks.

Motherboard:

http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=4374#sp

I can't believe this board has NO usb3 ports! (but it doesn't)

Specifications don't match the picture. I see 3x USB on the front (with USB3), but only says 1x in the specs. What else is incorrect?
Doesn't have an optical drive or apparently anywhere to fit one. Not ideal.

Would this run minesweeper?

I always buy the latest socket motherboard with a mid range cpu, leaves room for upgrading later.

Got two copies of windows 7 one ultimate and the other standard. Will use the standard to upgrade to windows 10. Windows 7 was the first OS i paid for.

piewdiepie im coming!!

Make sure you continue to pay for your antivirus extension. Wouldn't want your pc/laptop to get infected from all sorts of nasty when your watching porn online.

Sure a lot of 'pirate' content has viruses but you have to apply a bit of common sense and not download willy nilly. Plenty of resources to confirm if virus free and there are a lot of groups that are belive it or not, trustworthy! Then theres the lucky few who have access to private torrents that have many benefits such as virus filtering.

My stand on this, I was stupid enough to purchas a legite version of windows vista. Not sure any amount of os piracy can make up for that.

I confess, I can't take it any longer. Reading this thread has pricked my conscious, I've been using the windows 7 recovery discs that came with an old acer desktop on two machines At the same time !. I thought I'd hit the big time when I found they self activated on a none acer bios machine and I just got carried away. The rush when windows update worked and didn't install or trigger the kill update cannot be described.

The fact that ALL my windows 95 machines are legit helps me sleep at night :smirk:

Linux users? :stuck_out_tongue:

Can you clarify up to a year?

you can get a Windows 7 install straight from MS and activate it without any crack business. however now it is a good time to buy, as Windows 10 will be free for those who've owned previous versions for up to a year.

Hi, do you have a link for it? Thanks

Thanks for your reply! It actually was meant to say 8GB of RAM, I guess I clicked on more by mistake,oops. Do you think the stock cooler would keep this machine cool enough though?

For one year for those with 7 8 and 8.1 they can upgrade for free.

Techsavvy?

you can get the r9 280 from amazon warehouse. for £140

Absolutely yes. You can save some more money if you avoid the CPU cooler (you just need the stock one if you don't plan on overclocking). In addition, if this is for gaming, put 8 GBs of RAM in it at first, then if you need more, upgrade to 16 GB later on.

Would someone be so kind to tell me if the following PC is worth the extra money as a step up from this one?


http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/p/hrFpWZ

Thank you.

Yet you would complain if you employer decided not to pay you for three months in a row. See the irony? No eh?

Looks a very good deal to me, if id not just bought one id go for this, swap out the CPU for a A10 6800K and the GPU for a GTX 760 and away you go, and as for the OS

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/201182865788?clk_rvr_id=769642995734&rmvSB=true

get a better job

So will this run Vuze?

Looks good to me

How would this do for video editing with the likes of premiere pro?

All this talk of windows 10.. Did I miss windows 9??

Touché there mate .....

Ps.
Where is the £30 Windows 7 Deal please ..... thanx. :-)

I want one .. I want one .. I want one ..... lool. :-)

It's like when I got my first car - I saved for so long to buy the actual car I couldn't afford insurance or petrol, so I didn't bother with insurance and just siphoned a bit of petrol here and there; but, hey, that's cool yes?

I have to laugh at people who don't know the definition of theft/stealing and then go onto the internet to preach at other people, BTW you can legitimately download Windows 7 from Microsoft themselves, no need for any patched ones.

I voted cold pretty hard, since you can build this with identical spec for £323.76 using PC Partpicker, and most parts have a three year warranty any way.

Plus you don't have to worry about your pre-build PC being destroyed in the post on the way to you.

http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/p/fDsND3

Bit of a harsh statement. If someone can afford a legitimate copy then I'd definitely advise doing so, there's a deal on here for Windows 7 for £30 right now which is amazing, though if for example a kid is getting his first high spec PC with his Christmas money and the budget doesn't quite stretch to including the OS I don't see a problem with them obtaining it by alternative means.
At the end of the day, Microsoft won't run into any finance problems because a minority didn't pay for their Windows :smiley:

I'm quite confused as to why shoplifters/thieves would bother visiting a website for the cheapest legal price of any given item, never mind actually bother to post a comment...

I've only read the first page so you've prolly been told this already - Ten is free for those moving from 7 or 8. That means you have to have a licence already, sorta "free upgrade" meaning not actually free free.

CPU is the bare minimum to cope with modern games properly but is definitely good.
Same with the GPU, it'll get the job done just not not on ultra on the most demanding games.
The big problem with cheap prebuilt PCs is the PSU & hard drive.
They always cheap out on those 2 parts so that the price works out about the same as if you were build the same spec PC but with premium versions of those 2 components.
Cheap PSUs are prone to failure but it could happen anywhere from after 2 months to 2 years later if at all, it's a risk you take since when a PSU dies it can often kill the whole PC on it's way out.
As for the hard drive, again these are prone to failure after a short life but the only risk is your files and diminished performance.
If you don't want to build your own PC but want to get into gaming this is definitely a good deal, though know the risks and consider planning upgrading the PSU and hard drive when you've got the money. Hot :smiley:

YARR, WE AM PIRATES!!

Makes me laugh when I see people paying ££££'s on a PC only to install some dodgy pirated OS that is probably be reversed engineered by some Russian genius that is receiving a daily keystroke report just waiting for you to type http://www.halifax.co.uk.

whos the guys thats got the money to buy these computers..................

the guys who get the software free
you think the rest of the world pay for software?
ok it is stealing
but if you dont want it stolen there is many devices dongles etc out there that would help

is it good enough for video editing

Amd - never liked em

have some heat! good combination of high frequency cpu and decent gpu. will play most games on medium to high setting.

Clever ?

Piracy is trading copies it's called theft if you steal it its called stupidity if you buy it from Microsoft there's plenty of ways to get cheap os or legit keys or reclaimed keys . Btw all these big company's have all settled huge cases for theft or rights issues remember that. And they steal your info daily and use it and sell it wheres my commision

Oh my gawd I hate Microsoft, my pirated copy of windows unpatched for 3 years and protected by cracked Norton from some Russian torrent site keeps getting viruses!

it would to anyone else :wink:

Yeah that made sense...

No hard drive specifications, no RAM specifications (besides it being 1600 Mhz), no PSU specifications, I can only imagine what parts they have chosen. They must be high quality though, that's for sure at this price.

SteamOS? Its free...instead of being a pirate, arghhhhh! Build your own steam machine. Xbox 360 controller and wireless adapter and your laughing.

Maybe not...
Users should not consider SteamOS as a replacement for their desktop operating system. SteamOS is being designed and optimized for the living room experience.

nope, I am not a Villa fan :wink:

This is a decent enough price but the problem is that you're really limited on CPU upgrade options. There's no real equivalent option to an i5 - AMD's FX series use a different socket.

Are you a parasite too?

Parasite.

Cold, can build you're own, better spec for 11p.

I'd just be worried about the power supply, no brand is mentioned and I have spent many years chasing issues that turned out to be cheap supplies.

I buy the disc straight from them, that's my point.

lol buy a ps4 for the same price and play pretty much all the games on 1080p with amazing graphics, pretty stupid to waste money on this

do you really think the price would be less if everyone paid for it

that is like saying that the tax burden in the UK would be less if everyone paid....

you know damned well it wouldn't be

you would only be a pirate if you steal the copy of Windows.....

aye, there there is.....the word is.....

sensible :smiley:

wat... I don't even.... WAT?

oh... yoda... right... still.... WAT :stuck_out_tongue:

Accidental George Bush fml.

I agree, plus Bill Gates > Malaria efforts.

Biggest reason for me would be the silk-roped trojans sitting in a pirated copy. That's why they call it a pirate copy. Because it comes with....sea/ ship viruses. Shipped with viruses.

When £100 extra a year you have so upset you will not be mmmm

EXACTLY?! .. 'Gaming' aside .. you can do plentyyyyyyy with such 'Modern PCs' like this anyway?, so ..... lool. :-)

Thats actually a good build. However you must have paid £50ish for CPU, case + PSU and RAM. Making that around £328?

wow the guy on that video fits the PC gamer face so well lol.
I laughed so hard when I inked the video.

how well would this handle video and photo editing ?

It is possible to run pirate versions, easy enough to obtain on-line, but like my Brethren here who pay, if I can afford to buy the OS I will & have done so for about 10 years now, it is partially to be legally registered, and partially out of not wanting potential hassle if I need support when problems occur, and also I consider the argument of showing 'respect' to the creator(s) of a sophisticated & useful product, more important as I age. Where as, years ago I felt "all edgy & with it" whilst "sticking it to the man"... but the truth is, Microsoft has created a software platform that many of us utilise for work & one that offers expansive & evolving opportunities to explore the most sophisticated games on the current market. So all in all, you know, respect ;-)

It was self built. Used a £38 asrock motherboard, a £90 low profile 750ti and can run the g3258 happily at 4ghz, although for media centre use i run slightly over stock but undervolt it. The ssd was a samsung evo 120gb, at the time it was awesome for the price (about £50).

Yes scum.

Wow, prices of silicon must have shot up in last 6 months or so, my media centre with intel g3258 but 750ti, ssd, 8gb and pci dvb-s2 cost much less than this.

It's never a fresh install straight from Microsoft, they don't install anything. They licence their operating system and retailers/OEMs install it.

Release date nearer the end of this year. Windows 10 requires an existing licence from Windows 7 or 8.1. So free as an upgrade from those operating systems and the offer of a permanent free upgrade lasts for one year after the release of Windows 10. Not free otherwise.

install latest build, kms, done. same as a legit copy.

Win10 is only free if upgrading from Win7 or 8 within the first 12 months of release. It looks like it'll only be released in Q4 as well, so long time to wait anyway.

Coming from the country where paying for OS would mean spending half of your wage yes I think that anyone who pays for their software has a very big chance of being an idiot.

Bought a similar spec PC from Fierce via E-Bay a couple of months ago. Very happy with it. Recommended.

There's a free windows 10 licence key on here in the freebies section.

YOUR NOT WRONG

What's your opinion on the big multi nationals who don't pay any tax due to their legal stance?

Heat OP

So you think people who pay for Windows (which is the legal thing to do) are idiots then?

/Facepalm.

HEAT! I have these exact specs and i can run Middle Earth: Shadow of Mordor medium/high with a steady 45+ fps. And Alien Isolation on ultra at 60fps. Great price too!

doesn't seem like a great deal, seems about the right price

I believe that word is called Sensible. Please correct me if I am wrong.

I do on any machine I actually care about connecting to the internet,

Heat, great deal.

Not really great advice on this thread tbh. Windows 10 will be free but only to people who already have 7 or 8.

And this is a very decent little gaming pc for the money. Will easily play any current games if you reduce the settings on some at 1080p.

i suspect you may need windows 7 or 8 to get 10

lol reasonable price for the spec but gaming pc it is definitely not

It's ok millions do, only so they can subsidise self serving idiots.

maybe you should work free

lucky for you windows 10 us rumoured to be free

I do.

I get a lot of things for free, but always pay for Windows. I just don't like the idea of it not being a fresh install straight from MS

Aaarrgh!

pirates?

no operating system inlcuded :neutral_face:

Would be more of a deal if it had a 750ti and maybe at least an fx6300, still not bad though

my pc is just a bit more powerful than this and will run most games at 720 at 60 frames. this is s good pc

Should play all latest games at 720p without any issues.. some
1080p too. Not everyone wants every game to run at 200 flps. I am using the same graphics cards in my basic gaming rig with an i7 processor - no issues so far.

Seems good

Good price for that