been that price forever, its good

hayfever gimmik thats not going to work these people prey on hayfever sufferers like myself as it is with over priced meds so cold from me

Bought this at the same price last year.
I would normally be quite cynical about products like this but was suffering badly from hayfever on the day I saw it and gave in.
Based on experience, I think it is a good product. It doesn't do the trick on it's own but then neither do the one-a-day tablets I use (loratadine) but when used together they have eased my suffering very well.
Heat added for the deal and for making sufferers aware of an alternative to the traditional medicines.

My sons teacher approached us about his hayfever a few weeks ago.
She was concerned that he would not cope with his sats because of his symptoms.
Went out and got one of these in desperation - but must admit I didn't expect much.
WOW! Don't knock it until you try it! Within a week the symptoms had subsided dramatically and he was able to do his sats without too much trouble.
I know they don't work for everybody but it has definitely worked for him. Not a cure by any means but it really has reduced the symptoms to manageable levels.
Bear in mind that if you buy this then you can get the air purifier/ioniser at half price so you get both for £21.

Hot from me, its not an amazing product but i definately noticed a difference when using this. Have a lot on amazon, there is a similar product for about £80 i think. For £15 its got to be worth a punt.

This nonsense product has been thoroughly debunked dozens of times but, like most alternative therapies, the placebo effect does its magic in the vast minority of cases- so ill-infomed people think it works.
Do you really think that red light can alleviate/cure hayfever? Do you really?!
This is pure voodoo, buy it if you are completely ignorant of science and therefore susceptible to the placebo effect it gives then buy it.
This is a disgraceful ,cynical and sinister exploitation of a medical condition and brings eternal shame on those snakes at lloyds pharmacy.

Having been a pharmacist for 8 years, I wouldn't be taking medical advice from punters on the forum.. best to see your pharmacist or GP...
As for the product, I wouldn't buy it nor sell it to anyone....

What can i say, after using this, i could breath through my nose again. Not sure a placebo can have such effect.

This is your opinion, which I respect. What I don't respect is the manner in which you put it across. Let people make their own minds up without being belittled for what decision they make.
Light therapy is not voodoo - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Light_therapy

It can. Placebo effects are incredible, fascinating things.
I find this product distasteful and misleading, however.

Red light therapy to alleviate hayfever is voodoo science at its worst.
There is no evidence that this snake-oil product works- this is a ploy by Lloyds to abuse their position as a reputable pharmacy to make a few quid.
The wikipedia (!) link which you provide makes no mention of hayfever treatment as far as I can tell, not sure what your point is there.

My point (which you don't seem to understand) is that light therapy (as per my link) has and can be used for different medical conditions (I never said the link specifically referred to hayfever).
If you think this is a distasteful and misleading product, why bother reading about the deal - it is obviously something that you would never buy so all you have done is waste your time. But I guess if you have nothing better to do....

I've seen him slate every deal he's commented on, so don't feed the troll

Well i understand that placebos can have a great effect on things due to psychological reasons. Taking a tablet for headaches for examples often work with a placebo type effect. But my sneezing and blocked nose are phyical issues not psychological. Hell if you can get vitamin D from sunlight, they may be hope for light treatment for hayfever yet. If you are a sufferer, i would suggest trying this, but also, keep an open mind.

Yes, but dont pay Lloyds 15 quid to keep your open mind.
I've read the scientific study that underpins this treatment, its here if you want to read it too:
http://www.medisana.nl/files/Clinical_test_Medinose.pdf
Bear in mind that this study has been shown to be completley flawed in its design and implementation. Most scientists in the field agree that its conclusions are not supported by the data, which is corrupted by lack of controls.
The study is over a decade old now and nobody has replicated it.
I'm not bashing (ultraviolet) light therapy per se, I'm just saying there is no scientific evidence that this product works.
The trouble is, Lloyds must already know this; yet they continue to market it as a therapy for hayfever. I find that cynical and exploitative.

Ill admit i haven't read the whole document, just the conclusion, which is as follows:

"In conclusion, allergic rhinitis, when
uncomplicated by polyps, deviated nasal
septum or chronic sinusitis, may be
treated effectively by red light illumination
of the nasal mucosa at 660 nm,
leading in many cases to marked alleviation
of symptoms. Wherever possible,
candidates should be selected by
endoscopic examination to rule out
polyposis and sinusitis."

Well it works for me!

At first I was not going to bother posting in this thread but various people have pushed me into doing so.

"I wanna tell you a storeeeeey" - for those that are old enough to understand this quote............

I suffer mild hayfever and my sons is severe. I take nothing except an antihystamine tablet when it is really bad. I am also atopic in that I suffer a number of other allergies, including dogs and horses. My son is also anaphylactic to nuts and has to take anti hystamines, nasal sprays etc during the period from when the rape seed pollen is out for the next 2 months.

Last year someone told me about these and I laughed and dismissed it. They then went to the trouble of buying me one and challenging me to use it for a week - 3 times a day. As I am not someone who dismisses things out of hand I gave it a fair go. The first thing I noticed after using it was that my nostrils seemed to have opened up - I was less stuffy and could breathe more easily. I liken it to breathing in on a cold day and the feeling you get when your nostrils feel wider (hope that makes sense!). I also had a slightly runny nose immediately afterwards and with one blow it went. By the end of the week I was clear for a while after using it and not sneezing as much. I decided to carry on using it and "see what happened". Within a few weeks my symptoms had disappeared. Maybe this was because the pollen season was over for the particular pollens I reacted to - I do not know. What I do know is that as soon as I started feeling the symptoms this season I immediately started using it again and have not taken a tablet or been stuffy at all this season. Maybe this is because the pollen is not as bad this year - I do not know.

My son started using one last year as well. When he first started using it he would get 1 minute into the treatment and start sneezing every 5 seconds. Within a week he stopped doing this and saw some improvement. He stopped using his prescription nasal sprays and cut down his medication after we had spoken to his GP about it. This year he is not stuffy at all, as soon as he started sneezing he started using the probes 4 times a day and so far has not had to take any medicines at all. Maybe this is because the pollen is not as bad this year - I do not know.

What I do know is that as a sceptic I was not affected by any placebo effect - in fact I was hoping it would prove me right when I used it.

What I do know is that the effect on both my son and I has been a beneficial one.

What I do know is that lots of reasearch is flawed but sometimes even though it is flawed it can still come out with the right results.

What I do know is that GP's I have spoken to about it have not told me it is harmful to my health and they have had many similar stories but cannot totally explain it.

What I do know is that despite someone here saying as a pharmacist that they would not sell it - Pharmacies have for years been selling cold and flu "remedies" under many thousands of different labels and recent research has shown that all of it is a complete waste of money that do nothing to shorten any period of discomfort over and above something as simple as paracetamol and yet they continue to stock their shelves with these things, especially child medicines, that trade on peoples insecurities and take their money from them. "“He that is without sin among you, let him cast the first stone"

What I do know is that there is a degree of tolerance in us that allows for all manner of beliefs. I do not post here to encourage people to buy one but to have an open mind and not be swayed by vociferous postings either way.

I did not believe that these things work - I do now. They may not work for everyone but they may help some people in some small way. Either by placebo, or real effect, I do not know - but "every little helps".

P.S. By the way, the deal is better if you want to buy 2 for any reason - buy 1 and get the second half price. £22.49 for 2 (£11.25 each).

P.P.S. I paid the friend for the one he gave me - I felt guilty that he had spent the money on it and I got some benefit from using it!

Ian

Whilst the scientific evidence you have seen is flawed this is not the only research that has been done. However I am not here to argue with you about the evidence that may be flawed I do not see any scientific evidence to say that it does not work or is harmful.

For many years many people have said that Amalgam fillings containing Mercury are harmful. This has supposedly been proved wrong, both in the US and Europe and claimed to be quackery and people who have had fillings removed and said their health has improved have been derrided, but earlier this year the FDA finally agreed that "Dental amalgams contain mercury, which may have neurotoxic effects on the nervous systems of developing children and fetuses," (Their spelling not mine!) This is a complete U turn. The report goes on to admit that Mercury vapour is released on chewing. 10 years ago people laughed at this supposition.

Medical science proves nothing, ever – it may strongly support something, suggest relationships or causality, and even be ‘convincing’, but it can’t prove it as opposed to mathematics where proof is everything. Many licences granted for products are done so on the basis that they have a greater beneficial effect than a placebo and does no harm. “Scientific consensus" is the preferred term over “scientifically proven” which tells me even the experts cannot be 100% - ever.

Without resorting to hysteria and all sorts of other means I have found that this works for me and my son, I cannot respond for other people,and I do think that the science on this is not perfect. You on the other had, as a self admitted sufferer of hayfever, have not tried it and yet knock it. Whilst I am sure that you will respond by saying that Lloyds will not get your £15. I am sure that Lloyds will survive without worrying about your money. And whilst you may well be one of the 20% that do not benefit from it surely you can see that as a complete sceptic you will actually be able to test it like me - waiting for it to fail.

I have a challenge for you now. I am prepared to put my money where my mouth is. Contact me by PM with your address and I will purchase and send you a brand new one. Do me the courtesy to complete a proper test of it for 2 weeks, using it 3 or 4 times a day, and if it does not work for you, you can send it back to me with nothing lost other than a little postege.

However I am also aware that you may think I am merely trying to cram this down your throat and I have never doorstepped anyone, so if you send me a "Thanks but no thanks" I will not be judgemental on you but will respect you position.

At least your response to me was a little less vociferous than other postings. Thank you for not being hostile.

OMG get a grip!

My friend has been using this to help alleviate blockages caused by polyps and it has aided her greatly.. her son a severe allergy sufferer was bought one and it eased his complaints significantly...yeh a bit wierd for some to stick things up yer nose but each to their own.

The thing with hayfever is that it can change every day. The other week I was fine and felt nothing. Yesterday I was terrible and had sore eyes, blocked nose etc. Today I feel fine. The weather can also affect the conditions you may suffer. Ive never used this product before but when people say they've started using it and felt better it may have nothing to do with the actual product but the weather and where they are at the time.

Did you deliberately write that to sound condescending or is it a natural disposition. I am trying one of these out and it seems to be helping. Obviouslyt, it could just be that one of my hay fever triggers has lessened in the last few days also, I am not claiming thiat I am a clinical trial:roll: I am neither ignorant of science or ill-informed. Just open minded.

As for pharmacies; haven't they been selling cough remidies for babies/toddlers for years that have now been proved to be harmful? Perhaps trusting everything pharmacists and GPs say, without questioing them, is ignorant and illinformed.

does jack all. i like the humidifier they sell though

nice find, im going to get mine now.

My allergies suck. Today i got out of bed too fast (to get a tissue for my tap-nose).
I felt light headed and eventually collapsed.

Woke up about a minute later feeling fine.

Damn allergies

Have you actually tried one of these...? I doubt it. If that is the case you don't have much grounds to comment on. Since the scientific study you have highlighted is flawed, you are completely ignorant to this items effectiveness - be it good or bad, until you have tried it yourself. Please stop filling the message boards with your BS!

I suffer from hayfever quite badly and even Piriton tablets aren't enough. When my hayfever is bad I use this once in the morning and once before bed. It's not enough on its own but it does provide some short-term relief.

You're rude. It certainly has a positive effect on me. In fact, MY claims it DOES work are more valid than yours, because YOU have never clearly had the need / circumstances to try it. :whistling:

Are you a medical professional who has any idea how this works?

Please explain your scientific method for discrediting it?

NOT A DEAL!! Been this price since they came out!

not a deal!!!!!!!

So you provide a link proving you incorrect, and then find some rubbish way of getting out of it by debunking the study. Until you've done a study of your own, OR shown evidence that you are indeed not talking crap and scientists around the WORLD have debunked this study, then you are just digging a bigger hole.

I'm suprised you believe SO many people hear are falling for this, and phsycologically correcting their own conditions with mind power.

Evidence? or are you just mouthing off?

Apart from that test. Again, got any studies that prove it doesn't work or are you just mouthing off?


It works for a number of people I know, placebo or not. 100% of people I know who have tried it have had an improvement in their symptoms.

Wait, who's selling this product again? Oh yeah, pharmacists - probably at a decent mark-up too.

I'll have to chime in with the evidence based-medicine rational crew. This product is pure bunk and it embarrasses me that Lloyds (one of the better pharmacies as it happens) sells such crap using the reputations of their employees (pharmacists who should really be able to use their background as scientists and professionals and thus make a rational choice not to sell it).

It's certainly one of the reasons why I won't work in community pharmacy. Pharmacists should not offer medical interventions without evidence - and in my opinion that goes for cough syrups as much as it does elaborate systems of 3p LEDs.

I'm as cynical as you can get, but last year I was feeling like crap, so chanced on one of these as they were on offer and it worked for me. Got it out again this yr as the hayfever started kicking in, but it's doing the job.

Doesn't seem to work for my mom, but I don't think shes using it twice daily...

Don't care if it's a placebo or not, as long as my nose aint dripping like a tap, and sneezing like a melon farmer.

i bought one 3 days ago, been using it 3 times a day since, so far, its doing nothing for me.

if no improvement by Saturday, im going to get some Beconase, its worked great for me in the past.

i find sticking things up your nose dosnt work

Sold out in my two local lloyds.

You need to give it several weeks for proper results. The original version from Medinose says this and suggests using it for several weeks before the season starts. I started using the Medinose one mid season 4 years ago and it only helped slightly. Since then I've used it as suggested and have found it hugely effective.

To those who obviously want to prevent people with hayfever finding any relief - stop quoting studies and your own opinions.

Unless you suffer severely from hayfever and have tried this, following the manufacturers instructions, you have no idea about it's effectiveness or not. I've had severe, not being able to go outside at all in June/July severe, hayfever for over 40 years and this is the only thing that has worked. I've had all types of tablets and injections without success.

It's not a placebo - it works. Frankly I couldn't care less if it was a placebo. My hayfever is significantly better and that's all that matters.

Anyone who suffers badly from hayfever wouldn't bat an eyelid at spending £14.99. I paid £80 for the Medinose one when they first came out and would have paid ten times that for the effect it has had.

Er, who cares whether it's scientifically proven or placebo effect? Bottom line is, if it works for you it's worth using. It matters not whether any positive effect is due directly to the intervention or purely the power of your own mind. If the intervention causes your mind to relieve the symptoms then it is worth the money.

Fair enough, it may not work for everybody, but is there any harm in trying unless you are really on the breadline? After all, I'm guessing most hayfever sufferers have spent at least as much on the various clinically proven tablets available and found them to not work either.

ive got one, ive tried it. does it work? who knows.
There is no control for hayfever, you are unaware how bad yours will be for the day. So when you are using one everyday, you will never know if its working or not, because you wont know how you felt if you hadnt used it.
All i know is mine doesnt cure it. It may relieve it, but how can you honestly tell.

OK repeat after me:

Anecdotal evidence is not sufficient to prove a scientific claim, either way.

Scientific studies which are too small, or cannot demonstrate sufficient rigor should be questioned.

Psychosomatic effects can be just as beneficial as genuine effects.

There was a more recent study published on this in the Journal of Allergy and Clinical Immunology. This is a journal with a high impact factor (which measures the importance in its field) and the study was randomised and double-blind (so neither the researchers nor the participants knew who was getting what treatment). It showed that rhinophototherapy did have an effect on sneezing and other nasal symptoms such as itching. I am quite sceptical about these sort of things, and whether the Lloyds version would be similar to the one used in the study, but I would say it's worth a pop at £14.99 - my hay fever has been worse that ever this year so it's worth trying, I think!

Perhaps someone could just use it in one nostril, then they'd know whether it worked or not?

Personally I find the device is absolutely fantastic. I don't suffer from allergies at all, but my other half does, and anything that stops her moaning and complaining must be worth a few bob!! :smiley:

actually it works for me....using one for a few years, definitely helps

as for deal COLD....been this price for years

Works for my husband and my 6 year old

having suffered serious symtons for over 30 years and taking tablets, nasal sprays and eye drops from march to september. I really couldnt care if it were witch craft, blackmagic, voodoo, placebo or anything else, I will be trying it and if it dont work for me so be it. What works for one doesnt always work for others.

A russian doctor who relieved the systoms of people with asthma over 30 years ago was rubbished by this country and so called scientific proof. I encouraged my sister to take my niece to a clinic following his practises, she wasnt keen havent read all the anti crap people are always so quick to post. But for the last 6 years she has had no asthma problems and no longer takes any medication.

who cares why it works. if it does it does , if not what have you lost.
if any one thinks £ 15 is to much to invest in order to try it , then maybe they are one of the so called "Hayfever Sufferers" that have a sniffle once every summer.

Don`t think its been mentioned, but just to let anyone know thats interested, they are doing a deal at the moment when you buy this "gadget" along with the ionising air purifier. You can get both for £21.99 instead of £36 i`m sure it was.

I saw someone ealier in this thread say they liked the purifier.

Do you means these dont work for you !

voted cold cause the pills are so much cheaper and easier to use aswell as the fact they only last for a certain time before refill

To be honest I asked my GP about these and she said she has seen no evidence that they work and just to stick with the cetirizine tablets (which work very well)

Heres a story about light therapy,

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/7445606.stm

not about hayfever though, or seasonally affected disorder or bipolar or parkinson, which are just some of the many other treaments of light therapy

well i'm going to try it, i can't smell or taste anything and would deffo pay £15 for a chance to smell or taste for at least 1/2 and hour a week would be great. (i suffer from allergic rhinitus so much that the lining of my nose is so inflamed it blocking the olfactory) damn nose..

thanks for the info, i'll look into it.

Well my wife is suffering big time from hayfever at the moment and i saw this deal last year and thought what rubbish that wont work. I have just ordered one and will let you know how she gets on. Lets face it if your feeling that rough with hayfever or the like its got to be worth a shot.
You wont be able to sell it on ebay if it doesnt work with all the snot around the ends, but thats life haha!!

i'm normally a fairly rational person, but i fell for this about a year ago

two words 'placebo effect'.....here's an interesting single case study.

i was sticking this thing up my nose and turning it on this year.....and thinking it was working. did it for four or five days. one day i pulled it out following the beeps and switched it back on to check it was working. it wasn't. i had been sticking two tubes up my nose for 4 days and think it was helping my hayfever, :smiley:

Please not you can get a further 10% off using voucher code nvcs10jw on checkout

Well my OH snores badly and in desperation I bought one of these since I suspected the cause was partly allergy. OH is a sceptic and insisted it didn't make much difference - but I get to sleep at night when it's used and not when it isn't. We've done our own blind trial - when they forget to use for a few days it I can tell! Effect is not instantaneous, it takes 2 days to reduce the noise level. It isn't a cure and it doesn't outweigh the effect of too much alcohol.

So now when it gets used their ribs don't suffer as much from elbows!

As for scientific studies - where is this good quality double blind trial showing the device works in none of those studied? Answer - there isn't one and light therapy has been shown to have benefits so there is a plausible method by which it might work.

Not sure I'd use them for a child where the long term effects of the light might worry me but for adults it is worth a try.

My wife has suffered from hayfever since she was young. As she is currently pregnant, and doesnt want to take any medication, she decided to buy one of these as a last resort, not believing that the device could do anything for her.

Last night was the first night in two weeks where she actually had a good nights sleep.

My understanding on it works is that the light produced by the device stimulates the blood cells in the nose which works against the release of histamine.

I hope others get some level of success from this device, and I really hope this helps my wife get her sleep back to normal before the baby comes.

refill???

do you even know what this is? :?



I thought the same....until I tried it. Works for me and its not the Placebo effect

£15.00 that would be better spent on something else. Sorry, but this product is cold.

Asda, Tesco, Sainsbury's all have their own brand Lortadine and Cetrizine for 99p/packet of 7 which equates to three and a half months of anti-histamines that actually work and have been proved many times by reputable double-blind and reproducible studies and meta-analysis (clever maths that runs across multiple studies to help rule out confirmation bias and other irregularites).

i got this together with the ion iser. very hard to tell if it worked, evrybody with hayfever knows it comes and goes all day. so i can imagine a clinical trial being sketchy at best anyway but it cant be disproven either so its probably worth a go.

I am using this but jave to say the best temporary cure for my hayfever was the heavy thunderstorms yesterday. Seems to take the pollen out of the air. Feeling so much better today after a proper nights sleep.

It may be rubbish as far as science goes. It may be a placebo. To be honest I dont care...after years of paying out a fortune for " proven science" remedies which have not worked on their own, I thought I would try a combination of the two. After a few days my symptoms have reduced greatly, and I am a major cynic on just about anything, but it worked for me. Dont care if its magic/imagination/rubbish, I can go outside!
As far as I am concerened its worth a punt at 15 quid....thats about five weeks worth of proven science top brands or 15 weeks worth of supermarket own which work just as well

Definitely £21 for both instoreas got it on Monday. They are on buy one, get one half price so £14.99 for the reliver and half price for the air purifier (which actually by my reckoning is £22)

This item has been brillian. I use it daily in Summer and haven't needed to use my Beconase or Nasonex once. I used to get nosebleeds and really suffered. Have to use it every day but it is only for 2 minutes. Highly recommend getting one.

Bought this product 12 years ago, brilliant,even eradicates shortness of breath,will never use tablets again