Award for one of the most nonsensical posts ever made on HUKD.

Given that the human can only read 10-12 images per a second( that's 1 every 100 ms) you'd have to have some pretty incredible eyes to consider 6ms "slow".

Your name Clark Kent by any chance?

This is not Philips anymore. It's made in China by a company called TPV. Just using Philips name.

https://imageshack.com/user/craigsteed

Loving mine, no issues at all, the settings allow for a really nice calibration of the set

Great find heat added thanks :wink:

Damn, I knew the deals were valid until the 5th but didn't realise TV10 was going to expire before then :disappointed: Should have placed the order last night but thought I better speak to the wife first!
Lesson learned: Next time just buy stuff.

Mine arrived today. Did the update and just let it install. Can't fault it at all so far. Looks great straight out the box

Didn't realise this was still an argument, thought it was accepted fact at this point. The only refresh rates I have difficulty distinguishing between are 120hz and 144hz, coming from a long term 144hz gamer.

TV10 which works still; 55" Philips UHD TV for £403.10 (inc. £1 discount for paying up front)? Unreal bargain & DEFINITELY worth it for that ££

code has expired

is this one or a a Full HD Smart Plasma TV ?

Anyone who bought this should get on to them for a refund because of the ''TV10'' code which gives you 10% off.Just done it for my 49''.

Just spent 20mins writing up my interpretation of this TV - and the browser dumped it! Grr!

In a nutshell:
Picture very soft - cannot adjust the picture to get away from this (even with sharpness @20 / in personal)
No traditional brightness (except for the picture "styles")
Doesn't render 1080p SkyHD for FreviewHD as good as my current / old Samsung 1080p 55" LED
Colours just cannot be set accurately
Could not test this on native UHD/4k Content (didn't have any) - it was just in 4k from YouTube in 1080p and was not as vivid as the Samsung I have (but expected this to render 1080p as good as it would with UHD content respective)
No use whatsoever for the WiFi dongle - cannot use DLNA that I can see at all

So this set is not for me and is going back - shame as fantastic price!

Hopefully - these comments won't be lost..

Speakers arent great, rest of it is good build quality and picture looks good.

This is reflective of the price (including 10% quidco cashback) i paid £400 for it.

No other tv out there I can see for this price and spec. I am happy with it, everyone crying about quality/picture etc compares it to TV's costing alot more.

We have a 5 year, old 52", 1080p, LED samsung which was suffering from extreme motion blur so just purchased this for£449.99 and you then get a £10 argos voucher.

Impressed with image quality compared to the old samsung unit it replaced. It has a much thinner bezel and is significantly lighter. Interface is perfectly reasonable.

My biggest fault with it is that the internal speakers are awful which has made me just spend £129.99 on a soundbar!

This is not Philips anymore. It's made in China by a company called TPV. Just using Philips name.

No, no no no no. I'm worried about how many people seem to have believed you.

If you visit this link http://testufo.com/#test=framerates you'll see that you can clearly see the difference between 30 and 60 frames per second. Far above what you're claiming would be impossible to see If you have a 120Hz capable monitor, you'll also be able to see the difference in that. If you could only see the world at 10-12 FPS it would look incredibly choppy like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7b6StDYWgoA

Please don't spout such nonsense.

Just quick question .
I seen Argos also have for 499GBP Hisense 55EC591U 55 Inch 4K Ultra HD Smart LED TV.
So which one will be better,mean better colours,blacks....

Hisense or Philips?

Hisense have good reviews on internet.I think its worth to pay a 50 pounds more for a smart function.
Also I seen 50" model is more expensive in argos,also can buy today and collect today by self from store:)
But this is offtopic now.
regards.

Did you even read post #76?

Also look at the Wikipedia for Frame Rate.

Why do you think your eyes work differently?

Do you have magic eyes?

There is absolutely no reason why the human eye would need to see faster than that. So we never evolved the ability to.

A higher FPS doesn't mean your eye sees all of those.

It doesn't.

All a higher FPS rate does is improve the chances of our eyes seeing the maximum amount of frames it can process.

12FPS looks crap because your eye won't see all 12. It might register or process half of those at best.

Most films are 24FPS, but even then most people won't see all of those.

The Hobbit was 48FPS and looked weird to many because you're going to hit your full quota at that.

Ditto 60FPS.

People can see more than 12fps.....just try capping a game at 12fps and you will see the difference.

I believe it's more prevalent on 50hz sources like a sky box and only way to reduce it is to set the telly to game mode

I have got the hicence 58 and thought u was imagining it the judder thing can u tell me more please as it seems to come and go and not sure what to do

You have to register your card and then wait 24 hours before buying and then it is in store only to get the 10% quidco plus you still have pay full price but you get the cash back in a month or so

thanks for reply guys.

Is there is any chance to order this tv today with 50 gbp discount from Argos?
Is that tv will be ok with Amazon fire tv 4k?

No and yes

Not seen the philips in action but the feedback and pictures on here put me off. I was about to order a 58 inch hisense but the judder issue was a concern so when I saw the voucher offer I checked ebay and swooped on a set l know I will be happy with rather than risking it on one I haven't seen running

So have you actually seen the Philips in action then?

Ignore that - I see it expired today - hmf! I missed that!

Darynquinn; whats the eBay discount code please? Can you link or was it eBay specific member only?

Totally agree with YamYam / quote #201 re: a new TV is very subjective (like headphones IMO)

Friend has the panasonic so I have seen it action and know it's a quality telly and not a vestel rebadge.

The panasonic store has fantastic feedback and manufacturer refurbs from my experience in the past are usually as new condition. The very few on feedback that have had faulty sets from them all seen to have been vestel models but they had full refunds or exchanges sorted plus I get a 12 month warranty anyway

was tempted till I saw how bad these are so instead I have picked up a Panasonic 55CX680b from the Panasonic refurb store on Ebay with a 12 month warranty. £499 with the discount code

Just make sure it's plugged into the labelled HDMI 1 connector as due to the placement of the connections and my bracket, the BT box wouldn't acknowledge 4K on HDMI 3. A quick visit to Poundland for some right-angle connectors sorted that out.

most positive review yet. That'll be HDMI-CEC working for you :smiley:

So this TV is ok?Black colours are ok? I have Polaroid 55" from asda which is not bad for me.Is that Philips better?regards.

Just spent 20mins writing up my interpretation of this TV - and the browser dumped it! Grr!

In a nutshell:
Picture very soft - cannot adjust the picture to get away from this (even with sharpness @20 / in personal)
No traditional brightness (except for the picture "styles")
Doesn't render 1080p SkyHD for FreviewHD as good as my current / old Samsung 1080p 55" LED
Colours just cannot be set accurately
Could not test this on native UHD/4k Content (didn't have any) - it was just in 4k from YouTube in 1080p and was not as vivid as the Samsung I have (but expected this to render 1080p as good as it would with UHD content respective)
No use whatsoever for the WiFi dongle - cannot use DLNA that I can see at all

So this set is not for me and is going back - shame as fantastic price!

Hopefully - these comments won't be lost..

i just bought it from ebay argos as ebay were doing 20% discount on everything so i got the tele for £399. :smile:

There's nothing in the release notes about fixing the connection issues unless I've looked at the wrong thing

If you register your card at quidco, you get an extra 10% cashback when you buy in store using that card, making this a cracking bargain.

I updated it via USB as well by the way - and did not have any HDMI issues

So is anyone actually happy with theirs? Is it a lot of faulty units, or just a crap TV?

Not 100% sure yet, I was going to get one today then I did a lot of reading on them and now tempted to wait a bit till the new models come out quite soon.

Yes I did, didn't seem to change the picture at all, it did reset the picture settings so I had to go back in and tweak it all again though.

Gonna try a Hisense 55" :smiley:

can any owners confirm if the toggle button was covered in tape and if the red standby light comes on by default one mains power is turned On

I put the camera on manual, I'm not a photographer but tried my best :smiley:
The TV went straight back to Argos for a refund, absolutely shocking picture, poor blacks on panel, awful scaler, colours all wrong.

I just put some pics up to give a rough idea of what to expect, it is that bad in real life.

Though if someone doesn't care about black levels or contrast it might be acceptable for them, but the 4k part of it was just a gimmick, my 1080p set is a much clearer picture.

Took some quick pictures and this is with the settings adjusted and latest firmware:

First 2 pictures are the Philips on 4k via Netflix
Last 2 pictures are my old Sony on 1080p

I brought one of these just before Christmas. The picture in 4K is awesome, unfortunately the quality in HD and even more so in SD was poo. So bad that my 10 year old HD ready LG had a better picture. I sent it back after 3 days and got a refund. Sorry but cold from me I'm afraid.

ok thanks for advice.... very

once powered on at the wall should there be a standby light before touching the toggle?

yes.... if i hold toggle in before powering on the red standby will stay on for longer maybe 10 seconds

thx :disappointed::disappointed:

guys bought this tonight and managed to flog my old lg on gumtree just before i went to set this up..... it wont power on!!!

no one?

when i power on at the wall i get a red light for 2-3 seconds which then goes off
the toogle button at the bottom rear left hand side has no effect.

when i then power off at the mains there is a quick red flash

No idea what that means sorry

Bought one today and very pleased

Anybody know what size screws to use to attach the bracket so I can wall mount it? Thank you

Cold. This is a crappy chinese company (called TPV) product, not a Philips tv anymore. TPV have bought the rights from Philips to use the brand name and that is it. Sad story. People are being fooled thinking they are buying a decent Philips product, but getting "this" instead. So be aware of this before vote Hot.

I really don't know what to do about this. It has mixed reviews on here and whilst I don't need 4k, it just seemed a good opportunity to go for it whilst 10% quidco is on too.......but the other side of the fence is that there don't even seem to be 1080 tvs of this size for the price...hmmmm

I tried every setting, nothing other than Brightness will drop the backlight.

What about Video Contrast or Gamma settings?

The micro dimming got me excited, but it seems it's not local dimming just adjusts the picture brightness and not the backlight.

The only way to drop the backlight is to drop the brightness to 45 or below, but its still too bright.

Also it seems to lack "Definition" and the picture looks sort of plasticy? menus on the fire tv look almost like composite video.

Just got one, it's awful, the blacks are really poor, almost grey.
The colours are not that vibrant too, I've had a play with the settings but seems there is no "Backlight" control.

Can't see any light bleed, but not impressed as it stands at the minute, just installing the March Firmware.

Also didn't get a WiFi dongle in the box that some people got?

OK ..Quick question..I am currently using an ISIS TV I got really cheap from Tesco ..39 inch 1080p ..as my living room TV.

Would this TV be a noticeable improvement .
I watch about 50/50 hd and normal TV ..Also have a HTPC linked to it that says it is able to play 4k ..it is an i5 sodatech .

Should I buy this or wait for something better ?..I don't have a huge budget

Why does it matter if its made in China? I haven't seen the the picture quality in person but on paper it sound to be great: It is direct-lit with micro dimming, so black levels should be good plus all of the HDMI's are HDCP 2.2. The only thing not going for it is no HDR but come on people it's a 55" 4K for £449!

This is a great price have some heat :smiley:

Thanks.

I'm running my Plex server on a HP Microserver too.

I didn't know the Nexus TV could output 4k? Or do hardware HEVC (h265) decoding. That's interesting if it does.

I've had nothing but problems with the Fire TV 4k. The hardware specs say it supports HEVC hardware decoding, but I can't get it to work with the Plex Client. Plex have acknowledged a bug after some testing I did, but haven't released a fix yet.

I have a HP Microserver and a Google Nexus TV player.

Thanks for your reply.
Okay thanks, so only worth getting from Argos is you are not bothered about the possibility of being unhappy with your £449 purchase.
Yes, I will AVOID.

I think in your case yes.
In my case I'm not too bothered, if it's not that great I will get a new one in a couple of years

really appreciate yours and joshtbh reply.

You seem to 'know the score' I understand technology is constantly improving but for TV and maybe smart TV use is there some technology at under £500 price limit out soon?........ with amazing clarity. I mean is it possible things will be different in 6 to 12 months time? We are in no rush.
Thanks

I'm voting this hot despite any queries regarding the TV's origin. I opted for a Sony Ultra HD, however, I was really tempted by the Philips. The Philips smart functions do not appear that great anyway so I feel that a TV without is probably best when connected to a good external smart box. For me though the only Philips to really have is one with Ambilight-its amazing.

It is very simple, 4k TV, even the best one, do suffer of a bad SD picture as well as HD (in a less extent). They all claim that your 4k TV would upscale the picture for the better (untrue), so you got very good ground for a refund and if they refuse, just submit a CC claim.
Anyway, my understanding is that you have not got one yet. Listen to me, I am on my third 4k TV,includes expensive Samsung, expensive Panasonic and now a nice cheap but very pleasant Hitachi (using it as a PC monitor).
Do not get that very excited about it, you will be disappointed when you will compare to your existing one unless you got something extremely old like a faded plasma, then obviously you will visually be amazed, but saying so the current proper native 1080p sets are still better for watching SD and HD. Wait until all of this stuff will improve, you will very soon get better screens at the same price I believe including HDR, 3d, smart TV etc... If you are purely using this as a TV you are wasting money if you already got one. If you intend to use it with a pc or a more general use including console gaming then go for it and you might still be pleased if your existing one is in reality an obsolete faded plasma as an example. Old lcd’s and top of the range plasmas are still far better than 4k TV’s for SD and HD picture quality and main of all the sharpness is better.So, unless you planning to buy an expensive UHD BR player and UHD expensive movies, this would be useless to you.

Maybe look into ordering it with a £3.95 delivery charge, as then perhaps the distance selling regulations apply? I'm no expert in this area, but a Google search for mse Argos returns was pretty helpful and people did mention using the distance selling regulations where they even pick up the TV from your house for a return , avoiding confrontation.

P.S. don't forget quidco which is potentially £49 back!

Thanks for your reply.

I do challange anyone to get a TV out of its box and for it not to then be 'factory fresh'.
The manager then saying 'the box has clearly been opened, cant refund, so sorry, but have a nice day.

I would be very very upset by that as £449 is a lot of money.

As I say I really try and avoid 'confrontation'
Maybe Argos returns policy isn't for me? as it is quite misleading saying its 14 days when thats only if I have sat and admired the unopened box.

i'm sort of feeling the same as you right now, with 2 topics, the "input lag" for gaming and the sheer size of it compared to what I have now. I looked up Argos' returns policy on MSE and there are many tales, but the main theory to be mindful of is to open the box as precisely and carefully as possible so it looks as untouched as possible when returning it

I'm not very good in situation like this where 'confrontation' may be required.
Also weekends aren't always convenient, especially carrying a large TV through a busy high street.
Do you think I'm best avoiding buying an expensive item from somewhere that has an 'open box' no return policy? with 'uncertainly' over the item.
thanks again for your help.

Go on a Saturday when it is busy.
Say as little as needed, they will refund you if it is busy, just stand your ground

Thanks for the reply, what happens if the Argos is empty?
What do I say to the Manager (after asking for him / her)?

I just got back home with mine, here are the initial impressions:

Build quality seems reasonably good and it has a nice look going.

Picture is very nice, I played a 4k H.265movie from plex, and was very wowed by the response. Keep in mind though, I just upgraded from an old 720p LG plasma.

Controls / UI. Very easy to get around, but seems to lack granular levels for sound / picture - maybe I need to look more though.

Sound - really bad. Our old LG frankly leaves the Philips dead in the water. It sounds very flat and for want of a better word, cheap. I guess its now a good time to get an AMP and some speakers rigged up.

join the queue and make sure they are as many as possible behind you. They will give you an immediate refund as soon you will get verbally excited about the quality of what they sell. Surely they would not like the others to be aware of that.

With all the uncertainty with this product can someone please answer my query above.

Much appreciated

I'll have to build a bigger Second Bathroom :sunglasses:

Can the input lag crew help me with something please as I'm fannying over this one

Is lag for gaming on this tv likely to be better, worse or the same as a low end 10 year old Toshiba 1080p set?

Stupid then, thanks for clarifying! :smiley:

See post #76.

Human eye can't see above 12fps?

Not sure if troll, or just very, very, stupid.

Prices keep dropping with 4K TVs hardly surprising as its old LED backlit tech with higher resolution panels, the manufacturers keep hyping up cheap LED edge or backlit 4K TVs and the public are blindly buying.

If you really want 4K does anyone actually consider what (lack of) content is out there? Or for that matter to get anything other than so called '4K' sub par bitrate streamed video which at the most is slightly better than 1080P Blu Ray quality is going to take a brand new 4K Blu Ray Player that is going to cost you as much as this budget tv in cost!

The reviews include a comment from Philips acknowledging that you can't have more than 1 HDMI device plugged in at the same time. That was in February, and I haven't read anything about a fix yet.

Seems like a deal beaker.

Very few games are 900p.

A '4K'without smart on a rebranded Chinese Phillips... this is less than entry level. Maybe a good deal for someone that wants a big screen.

nice on easy, stick with what i have. Are you saying that though because you are educated in the matter or because you are all PC elitist though? i heard it just makes the colors more colorful though lol

Xbox one quality ok or what?

I don't care, I'd rather do without.
With respect, can you not answer my question, with a question.

How much is it there then

But what happens when you open the box & you're not TOTALLY happy, (TV not broken) what do you tell the Argos sales assistant, when she says "we don't accept open box returns" and there is a queue behind you.
No problems with returns at JLP I'd rather spend more & not have 'buyers remorse', and get treated well.

This is an absolute bargain. I have 1 and there were teething troubles over 5.1 sound input to AV receivers and iPlayer issues but these have been resolved. The fact that you can have Kodi and Chromecast inbuilt is a major plus. I use with BTTV Ultra and PS3. At £449 a bargain.

Sorry, mine is a 55PUT6400, there are obviously differences, including Android.

Love threads like this, Isn't the belief the human eye can only see 12fps similar to thinking the earth is flat despite all the evidence to the contrary.

The soap opera effect proves that people can see an increased frame rate in films above the standard 24

As a gamer i can tell the difference between 30fps and 60fps and or even 120fps on overclocked monitors. You can also spot dropped frames and even tell when games are running at random fps between 30-60 during busy periods.

I'm sure there are plenty of wiki pages telling me i'm wrong, but on this occasion i'll trust my own eyes rather than some internet expert.

As for this tv, looks like a lot of tv for not a lot of money. Be interesting to hear input lag figures and how ps4 gaming is on it.

I'll have to build a bigger house ...

so if I have a pc with a amd 280x graphics card in and plan on mainly using it for gaming on and free view is it worth me picking this up or should I go for something else? I've reserved one but the comments from people are so different I dunno what to do after reading all this.

Good TV, there does seem to be quality control issues however as a few people myself included had problems with HDMI ports not working, TV freezing up and becoming non responsive. I exchanged mine for a replacement and zero issues thus far.
HDMI CEC yes.
4k via HDMI yes, watched Daredevil on 4k Netflix via Nvidia Shield TV.

There's no chance in hell this tv has a 6ms response time for gaming the fastest ever recorded is 13ms and that's a Sony Bravia gaming tv Sony use for there PS4 in game stores and that is lighting fast

Just look at Hisense power consumption figures, in excess of 50% in more running costs compared to the Phillips. Even Bush has lower consumption levels...

Looks like this TV has been sold at a lower prices before, quote from the description " Please note item 4558912 has previously been on sale at 479.00." so slightly cheaper.

I can't see the in store quidco deal now. It's either finished or I'm looking at wrong place.

How do we know its for sale at a lower price 30th March onwards? Had a quick look now and its still showing same price at £549.00

​have a 55ub850v and works fine with my xb1. don't see any issues with lag etc

This place is ridiculous...the top rated comments are both simply wrong and derogatory. The post made perfect sense - the PS4 native res on a lot of games is 900p, so on a 1080p monitor it has to upscale or simply not use the whole screen. And there's no way it can pump out 4K resolution at any reasonable framerate.

Does not support HDR. kind of pointless to purchase a 4K TV without HDR

yee, I would like to know too and also, will these 3 girls come out of the screen with this 4k tv????
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gg54Miwa8K4

**** for sports and gaming... awful dirty screen effect on football. unreliable poorly made.

excellent hd picture for movies, better than the lg that I've got now

terrible sd picture.

had 2 both returned faulty.

bought an lg

Utter drivel. The human eye can detect differences far in excess of 100hz. Also 'response time' is typically the time which it takes a pixel to transition from grey-white-grey. Response times are a poor indicator of anything, really, because all the pixels will reach their desired state at different times depending on what state they're currently in (you can usually get from white to black faster than white to grey, for instance) and whether things like overdrive/other fancy panel processing technologies are used. Too complex to get into in a forum post, but a panel that advertises 6ms might actually appear far crisper during lots of movement than a panel rated at 3ms due to which value they quoted and the underlying panel driver... Oh and things like signal processing in the panel itself will induce the most lag, so trying it first is the only answer if you're wanting it for gaming.

is it a smart tv? can't find any info anywhere

Anyone use this as a pc monitor for both desktop use and gaming?

The monitor i use to game is less than 1ms, and is silky smooth. (Asus PG278Q), I wud say under 3m/s for FPS gaming is most desirable, but i know people who play competitively with over 5 m/s.
The difference might seem to be imperceptable, but when you add it together with laggy broadband and even non mechanical switched keyboards it can make a difference.
In all honesty it is probably only the casual xboner of ps4 fan that would use such a large screen to game on, so i cannot see what problem playing FIFA or Forza would encounter.
So it looks like a decent purchase.

92 comments & no one has mentioned support for HDR :confused:

Does anyone know if it has it or if it will be available on this set as a software upgrade?

See reply #76.

What are people's feelings about freeview vs freesat vs youview?
I was going to get the Costco 49" deal on Thursday but is this better?

The dongle is for software updates and certain Freeview channels that are supplied via Internet. No smart features.

Yup 5.1using the optical out, that's what I use for Virgin and Shield. 5.1 confirmed with test files.

Depends on the quality of the TVs tested. I have a 400hz 1080p and it's excellent.
My mum has a very expensive 4K tv I believe it's 1200hz and it's incredible.

well that isn't true at all, have you ever played a game at 12fps ?
also the 6ms whilst isnt slow for a tv that size it isn't related to fps.

Hopefully still be able to pick them up, always thought active 3D was crap but the current toshiba set with passive 3D (the cinema type) i've got is spot on and the family and i still enjoy a good 3D cinema experience on it now and again

http://www.100fps.com/how_many_frames_can_humans_see.htm
please do let me know the outcome

If this had 3D i would be all over it as a replacement to my downstairs set, im all 4k'd up in the bedroom but need a good 3D enabled set of this size to replace downstairs at around this price point... heat added though it's still a great price

>>>>>
HEAT for the heads up!

Quality 4K set with 3 real HDMi 2.2 ports from scratch and no crappy 3D ;-)

So this is not a SmartTV? (Excuse me being green, last time I bought a set was 8 years ago and it just fizzled and died).

Many thanks.

It's not about what u can see it's how the tv can handle processing the images eg it will go blurry and judder

Look at the Wikipedia on Frame Rate mate.

You're only "seeing" 12 of the 60 or so frames per second at 60fps.

But 60fps is still better than 30fps.

Why?

Because you're twice as likely not to "miss" one of the 12 frames you can see.

They're not evenly spaced, and your eye wouldn't see them this way even if they were. So a higher fps rate basically increases the chances of a frame hitting your eye, and therefore you perceiving smoothness of movement.

10-12 frames per second? You do know that games on PC run at 60fps or more and films are usually 30fps.

Try watching a video of 10fps against 60fps and see the difference.

The eye can see way more than 10-12fps.

Any good for PS4 gaming.

tomjaz where do u get the £10 voucher

do you think it's too big for a bedroom? I want to wall mount a tv, looking at 43-48 inch but this is the same price and will be ultra hd. Currently got an 9 yr old samsung on the wall which needs replacing

​The wifi dongle doesn't make the tv smart it updates the tv for freeview and as I don't use freeview it's pointless and if I had smart I wouldn't use it. I have sky, PS4 and a 4k media player. I just pulled it out the back it's the "PTA 128/00 TV Wireless netw. USB adapter" no fluke either when I went to argos to get the replacement plug (but was missing in that set also) it had one as well.

Do Richer Sounds or John Lewis price match Argos?

Cheap TV, no different to buying a technica or a bush. Stick to Samsung, LG, sony and panasonic.

All others are dead names walking.

good for a start of 4k tv ..alot of tv for price ..but i would not go for this

I'm not a competive gamer.

But see my post #21 concerning input latency.

Which is what I think you're talking about.

And you're so right.

Manufacturers need to provide a figure that let's gamers know what the latency is so they can choose hardware that will best equip them.

correct, worse than native 1080p screen. Not that bad but you would clearly notice if you compare the 2 screens side by side. So, in reality there is not any use at all for a 4ktv unless used as a monitor with a capable pc or if you are prepared to invest on a proper UHD bluray player and pay premium money for the movies

​I'm a former competitive gamer of 10 years. And response times has been a disgraceful issue on flat screens ever since they were introduced.

As for your comments :laughing: response time is not only a issue for instant visuals. It's mainly an issue for reaction/input timing. 99% of gamers are not effected by any of this, but most competitive gamers are heavily sensitive to this.

Think of it like this. There is a fighting game. A move is thrown at you on screen. In order to counter this move, you need to input a command of 1/60 of a second or less in some instances in Tekken & Street Fighter. But the response time is out, so the delay of the command means your always out of sync from controller to on screen frames.

Manufacturers need to pull their fingers out & provide clarity on response time specs. And eradicate this needless problem.

Adding input lag.

A 4k set is 4x the resolution of a 1080p set and in the same aspect ratio. For every 1 pixel on 1080p there are 4 pixels on 4k screen. A 55" 4k screen will show, at worst, an identical picture to a 55" 1080p screen, albeit there are more pixels making up eactly the same image on the 4k screen.

The resolution has no bearing on console gaming and the PS4 isn't "too weak" to power the screen. Any "upscaling" from 1080p to 4k is handled by the processor of the screen

No doubt.

Which induces extra input lag.

exactly my thoughts but awesome way you put it though hehe :smiley::smiley::smiley:

Alrighty then.

But you were talking about something totally different to what I was talking about.

Quoting someone doesn't = disagreement.

I never said otherwise. I was correcting someone.

Quidco only works if you register for the in store cash back minimum 24 hours before purchase

Is there a sale on tomorrow,if so is it only on this particular set or other items ie Fridge Freezers etc?

Nope.

Have a look at the Wikipedia for Frame Rate.

I mean the most "seperate" images the human eye can "see" is indeed 10 to 12 per second.

But you're right. Folk wouldn't need to fully distinguish an image for their eye to process movement. They'll soon see something up with it if the refresh rate is too low.

I suspect some people have eyes that are much more susceptible to this than others as well.

At the end of the day, nobody is going to be gaming on this over and above 60fps anyway.

And often well below that on Xbone and PS4...

Are you sure it comes with a dongle? This doesn't even say it's a smart tv

It doesn't matter too much where the TV is concerned. The image will be up-scaled to UHD to fill the display by the TV.

No it doesn't. Most games are native 1080p.

That might be a sweeping statement but these days it's getting pretty difficult to know which are truly good products built to a genuinely good standard. So much is re-badged, out-sourced etc. etc. The Chinese don't exactly have a reputation for building long lasting, quality items... I mean, look at that power station they are planning at Hinkley Point :-)

I don't, sorry.

I run all of my inputs through an Onkyo AVR so that handles all the audio for me.

Had this set since Christmas. Use it for Freeview HD, XBox One gaming (Fifa, Halo, Gears, Witcher 3 etc) and 4k Plex playback.

The bezels are fairly thin, which is nice. No noticeable backlight issues, no ghosting or input lag issues that I've ever noticed. It's been good as gold.

Good amount of options in the OSD Menu, the display needs a bit of calibration out of the box (but any TV does, so it can't really count as a negative). After running through a few calibration tools and adjusting settings, the picture is superb.

HD upscaler works really well, Freeview HD, the Xbox and other 720/1080p sources upscale impressively well (if the bitrate is high enough to begin with). So it's plenty good enough for this time period as we're still crossing over into 4k, so you're going to be feeding this set a variety of resolutions for the foreseeable future.

Couldn't be happier with it for the £500 I paid, anyone who picks it up for this price is getting a good deal.

Sure have, the picture is dire, it's not far off from buying a Blaupunkt.....pay a bit more and get a Samsung or LG (Not a Sony, the remote controls are slower than watching paint dry)

​I have the 49" now but had the 55" before (tad too big for the space we have) no difference in display though. Mainly watch amazon prime through the PS4 and the picture is pretty awesome tbh. I didn't have to fiddle around with the settings and mainly use in eco mode, oh worth noting it comes with the philips wifi dongle but was missing the plug so had to get Philips to send me a replacement whilst I used an old one.

have you seen the picture quality? is it really that bad?

You can though, trust me. It's kind of shocking once you've seen it.

I think you may have gotten your numbers mixed up; if we couldn't distinguish more than 12 images a second that would mean we would not be able to tell the difference between 12hz and 60hz refresh rate. I know there are arguments all across the internet as to whether we can really tell the difference between 60hz and 144hz but less than 20 is pretty absurd.

This one, or the similar BUSH one for £364.99? http://www.argos.co.uk/static/Product/partNumber/5031689.htm

hot for price and not being a curved thing :wink:

Guessing i had my numbers mixed up, my bad dude. just checked on this 12-15 is bad, guessing i was thinking of something else.

LCD tech looks best at native res. Try setting your computer display at half it's resolution for an example, it'll look garbage.

great to hear! how does it look to you for non-4k stuff like you've been playing? have you got the 55" version?

Whoops. Sorry! Came up in my 'replied to' notifications, so thought it was directed at me.

Agh, I'm going to sleep. Been up way too long and now my brain's on meltdown.

thanks for the response! i'm really hoping someone chimes in who's gamed on it :smiley:

I didn't mate.

Your quote came up inside my reply to someone else.

As you say, a 6ms isn't bad at all.

If it's legit...

is what he says nonsense? do Xbox / PS games look worse on a 4k than they would on a 1080p set?

A lot of people think ghosting is down to response time alone.

It isn't.

A high pixel response time can cause "ghosting" of moving objects, but anything below 8ms is fairly typical.

And as I said, it's very unlikely your eyes would be able to perceive any discernable difference between these speeds anyway.

When ghosting occurs, what most people think is the result of pixel response time alone, is usually the result of a combination of factors. The biggest culprit usually being poor input latency.

For example, you could have a pixel response time of 2ms and still suffer from ghosting if input latency was bad.

Input latency is basically the delay from the time you press a button to the time you see the object change on-screen.

And because input latency isn't rated, your best bet here is to ask someone who has actually gamed on this screen and ignore the (fairly meaningless) pixel response time rating. :wink:

Why's that? The current generation of consoles cannot output at 4K, even if they had the horsepower to even render games at this resolution any way. Which they don't.

You're stuck with up-scaling engine in the TV which will add a load of lag.

Award for one of the most nonsensical posts ever made on HUKD.

means 6ms gray to gray. G.. knows what they suppose to mean exactly but definitely got nothing to do with real speeds the way we intend. Will be fine for general gaming, can be connected to PC @4k but not sure if it will do a proper 4-4-4 chroma like the 43" hitachi that was for sell recently, a funny 4-4-4 but in my opinion it is, they must use these faux 4k rgbw pixels that LG uses on some models.

It has HDMI 2.0 so yes. But it's pointless going 4K for console gaming.

Nope, but you read what I said completely wrong. A 6ms refresh rate is absurdly fast for a TV, which I clearly stated above. Not sure where you're getting the idea that I find it slow from.

Edit: More research later, LCD screens do actually seem to refresh faster than Plasmas by a fair clip - most of what I'm used to is plasma response times. Hrm.

Lol that may be a fact but you can see the blur my old TV was about 6ms and my new one is much faster and you can see the difference especially when you start to get unto the 4k range of resolution. everyone can do what they like but i wouldn't personally buy this myself.

Here's the original thread for those TV's here. http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/philips-43put4900-43-inch-4k-ultra-hd-tv-299-49-399-55-499-argos-2359881

I got the 43". The 4k is great on Nvidia Shield TV (Netflix, youtube and downloaded files), I suffer from the black screen issue when Now TV (Black) is connected to an HDMI port. HDMI-CEC works a treat on Kodi through the Shield.

what is a good ms response time for an average human? I get confused on this topic as I only ever read about it on HUKD, no-one in real life has ever mentioned input lag to me.

Given that the human can only read 10-12 images per a second( that's 1 every 100 ms) you'd have to have some pretty incredible eyes to consider 6ms "slow".

Your name Clark Kent by any chance?

Sorry dude but that not fast at all, i would not recommend this TV for gaming you will get nothing but blur on a screen that size. I would live one if it was a bit better.

How do you know this is coming tmw? Interested in the more expensive model....

Omg that's a bargain

Don't forget Voucher for £10 :smiley: